Young Earth? Global Flood? Bring Questions!

[00:00:25]Hello and welcome. Thank you so much for joining me. My guests today are Scott and Mike, the hosts from Answers and Atheism. Welcome, Scott and Mike.

[00:00:36]>> Hello. Thanks for having us.

[00:00:40]>> You are most welcome. Um, Scott, why don't we start with you? Tell us tell people a little bit about who you are and uh what your channel is about.

[00:00:51]>> Okay. Well, um, who am I? I was I was born uh in Arkansas. a long time ago and I became a Christian like at age 14. Um I was kind of an off andon Christian, you know, as a teenager and all that.

[00:01:09]And then when I was in college, uh you know, I became much more serious about it and quote unquote answered the call to go into ministry and that would be as a Southern Baptist. Although when I first became a Christian, um it was at a missionary Baptist church in in the central Arkansas area and they were a like pre-millennial dispensational this that and the other um you know really fundamentalist type of of church and I I I stayed with that and s the Southern Baptists were a little bit looser but not much. Uh, but I I went into the Southern Baptist sphere of influence, went to seminary, and I I pastored a couple of churches over for a little while, but then um eventually uh not uh I wasn't in in the ministry at the time, but eventually um just through a lot of, you know, asking questions, trying to deal with things in the Bible as they affected my life, I I just eventually realized um that um basically like we were talking earlier, anything that where quote unquote God is the answer or Jesus is the answer is much better explained and dealt with through science through um sociology, economics, chemistry, what whatever you know just uh re dealing with reality in a in a very scientific and methodological way u can help you um much better. And so u essentially I realized, hey, I'm really not a believer anymore. And then a few years later ended up I don't know, somehow I ended up with uh in in Mike's group of influence and somehow or another ended up being the co-host of what was then um what what was it called? Uh >> Speed of Sound of Gravity.

[00:03:13]>> Speed of Sound of Gravity. and and then we just we just kind of uh have been I've been co-hosting with that or basically kind of doing some of the background work uh on the channel uh since then.

[00:03:25]>> And I'll let Mike just kind of describe what the channel is and all about.

[00:03:31]>> Oh boy, that's a good question.

[00:03:34]Anyway, okay. So, uh I am a lifelong atheist. Uh my mother drugged me to church when I was six, the Presbyterian church for about a year or two and I eventually told her that it wasn't working for me and I didn't know what an atheist was back then but I was one and then I got into uh Zen Buddhism probably in my teenage years, late teens. And so I became a at 15 I became a spiritual atheist which uh we get to a little bit more later, but that that was really important. And all of my life I've been sort of shaped by uh uh a religious experience that I had at 15 years old. But it never made me believe in any kind of spooks or any kind of god. It was just a psychological experience that happened to me that shaped my life and it brought me closer to Zen Buddhism and all of that. And uh since the time I was 9 years old, I wanted to be a scientist, but I ended up following the money and became a computer consultant instead, a programmer. And I did that. And then about 20 years ago, I started uh just really really working hard to educate myself in ma mathematics, logic, and uh neuroscience was one big thing that I got into. And uh the last uh probably seven, eight years or so, I've been heavily into molecular biology and evolution. And I am doing my damnedest to make up for not having a college education.

[00:05:07]>> And uh and I'm I think I'm making progress. I know a lot of stuff about a wide variety of things.

[00:05:14]>> And uh so then in about I don't know it was 2018 2019 I run into Donnie Donnie Badinsky and Standing for Truth.

[00:05:22]>> Uhhuh.

[00:05:24]He just pissed me off so much and and I so I started uh I think I got on his channel one time for a supposed debate and and I kind of got into it and then I started uh this channel uh with the idea that I was going to put my ideas out there and try to counteract some of this BS and creationism and some of the science denial and uh and then it kind of evolved in one of the back burner things I've always wanted to do and why I want to call it answers and atheism is that I believe that this whole spiritual zen uh attitude toward life uh in a secular way is really important and I think it's the future if humanity is going to have a rational good future it's going to be through our understanding of what we really are as human organisms as animals right and and we're and how our brains work, things like that. We're going to use that information to live better lives. And uh so answers in a so I think there are answers in secular secular secularity. Is that is that a word?

[00:06:40]>> So anyway, that's what I'm trying to do.

[00:06:42]>> And uh I'm unfortunately I'm no good at content. I have no talent or charisma or anything that I need. I don't know how to edit videos. I don't have time to edit videos because I'm too busy studying. Uh I think the best thing that could happen to me is if I were to hook up with somebody that knew how to produce content >> and drove the content with, you know, what what I know. But I don't think that's ever going to happen. Uh if it doesn't, we're just going to keep plugging away plugging away trying to do what we can try to get the ideas out there. And we'll talk about what I think some of those ideas are.

[00:07:20]uh doing the best I can to counteract what I consider something that is really destructive, a real destructive force particularly in America.

[00:07:31]>> And uh I think we have to raise our voices each of us as much as we can and I like that. So anyway, >> yeah.

[00:07:40]>> Yep.

[00:07:40]>> Especially with you know the huge push that we're now getting that's anti-science.

[00:07:46]>> Yes.

[00:07:48]and Christian nationalism, you know, is really rearing its head. And the two are very much coupled. Uh this creationist movement, the whole idea is to tear down your attachment.

[00:08:02]What cults do is they tear down your attachment to everything in your life, you know, that might uh ground you and save you. And what creationism does is it's trying to tear down our attachment to academia, to knowledge, to science, to uh you know, the progress that we've made. And uh they're trying to sever that and say, "Oh, no. Uh you guys are all brainwashed and you just want to sin and we have the answer, right? They have the the answer." And that answer is going to uh control us. It's all about controlling us. And that's where it's coming from. So >> anyway, I think it's like we are I don't know. Um, if you're in this community, maybe the community seems bigger than it is, but I think it's really big. This creationism, anti-evolution, anti-science thing. I mean, we've seen it everywhere in the last five years. Uh, and uh, I think it's it's I I I think it's a it's a big stink is what it is. Big stink.

[00:09:10]Something's rotten here. Anyway, >> so was the name chosen answers in atheism as a response to answers in Genesis?

[00:09:21]>> I think somebody else came up with it. I can't remember who. Do you remember who, Scott? Came up.

[00:09:26]>> No, there at some point and I think it was um Randall Richardson. Randolph Richardson.

[00:09:34]>> Yeah. a debate or some or discussion and said there are no answers in atheism and they then the Christians who were there went yeah that's right and and the whole idea though was that you know with atheism that's just the stance on one question and is there a god if you're an atheist you do not believe there's a god or you believe there is no god or no gods yeah >> that's an that's a and we were just kind of being honor and decided we're going to name this channel answers in atheism. And so he kind of did it as as a as a not kind of a joke or kind of a you know just a orary response to uh but you know to me the answers are better when you're not trying to fit God into things. Mhm.

[00:10:23]>> Maybe we should it should be answers are better in atheism, but that's a little too long because um >> in any any just about any field uh uh um you don't need God as an explanation for the theory to work, for things to get better. Uh and and um and and that's the whole idea. That's more like secularism really. But um but yeah um so there are answers in atheism because you have to take God out of the picture to get the right answer, the clearest answer um the the the least uh unnecessary answer.

[00:11:04]>> Yeah. And I remember when I first heard it, I had that, you know, that's a great pun on answers in Genesis, but I immediately thought, no, this is something that I want to do. I do want to talk about my life.

[00:11:18]I've lived a long life, 75 years so far.

[00:11:21]And I and I want to explain how this uh spiritual secular secularity or secularism has uh had a real powerful effect in my life and I think it's uh it really works. So I think there are answers, you know, to be to to put forth basically. So that's why it resonated with me and I kind of like it. So >> I am I am curious about this comment from Allan 465.

[00:11:55]>> Anyone who understands owls can disprove YEC.

[00:11:59]>> I have no idea what he's talking about.

[00:12:02]>> Alan, if you want to expand on that.

[00:12:04]We're we're we're curious as to what that means.

[00:12:09]Yeah. The thing is I Well, okay. First of all, there's geology, right?

[00:12:14]>> They make pellets every time they feed.

[00:12:17]Okay. But how does that disprove young earth creation?

[00:12:22]>> Well, I don't know.

[00:12:24]>> I don't know either.

[00:12:26]>> Would the world >> I'm guessing it's going to turn out to be a joke.

[00:12:29]>> It probably will. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:12:31]Anyway, yeah. Like, okay, geology. Uh, I come from northern Minnesota where the iron mining industry just created these gigantic holes in the ground and and they piled them piled the rocks up on gigantic piles which we would climb in our youth. And and and so I've lived with a really intricate geology.

[00:12:56]There is no way in hell that a flood could have created what I've seen in my life. And then when you look at all the other like when you really start looking into geology and like you start listening to Nick Zentner talk about Oregon and you know Seletia and all all of these things that happen these accretions out there and and you there's no way that this could have happened in a year. It's just it's just ridiculous.

[00:13:23]And so there's so there's that and but then when you start looking into uh well evolution is kind of a different matter.

[00:13:31]Uh well no kind of the same because I mean God could have done it that way right. God could have created the universe from you know some hot dense you know particle and let it expand because God is so powerful and so omnicient. He would have known exactly how every atom was going to bump into every other atom.

[00:13:52]>> Mhm. And and so there's no reason for a Christian to deny science. The only time they have to deny science is when Jesus crawled out of the tomb. They have to say, "Okay, there were a few miracles, right?"

[00:14:04]>> And and then, you know, at the beginning, but you know, God 14 and a half billion years ago started this whole thing in motion.

[00:14:10]>> And and I don't have a problem with those kind of people because they have their uh a lot of them are just spiritual Christians and and they kind of they're kind of looking for the same values that I'm looking for. And I have no problem with them. And I just have a real problem with this goddamn young earth creationism. It's just so ridiculous.

[00:14:30]It's like, >> okay, Allan has the answer. It was not a joke. We have caves with hundreds of thousands of years worth of owl pellets all over the world.

[00:14:39]>> Oh, wow.

[00:14:40]>> And and Robin added to that and said, >> owl pellets can age the earth.

[00:14:48]>> Wow. and Purple expanded on it and said, "Ah, I get it. The fossilized owl pellets contain the bones of every creature they ate."

[00:14:57]>> Yeah.

[00:14:58]>> Yeah, that is interesting.

[00:15:00]>> Yeah. Yeah. It's just like almost anywhere you look, you can see uh how evolution works. And u what I do is I look into the real intricate molecular details of how it works. And there's nowhere in there that I can see that uh it couldn't have happened, right? There's no impossibility in the evolutionary theory. And and I mean I spend my time with my nose stuck in a book right down into the details and every now and then I pop out and it's like what do they say? It's just like it doesn't make any sense based on what I've what I've learned and what I know. But I think we do a bad job. Uh us atheists and YouTubers, I think we need to uh do a better job than we're doing.

[00:15:54]We're we're playing into their hands in a lot of ways.

[00:15:58]>> Okay.

[00:15:58]>> And uh yeah, and I've started complaining about that recently.

[00:16:03]And we're we're letting them control the narrative.

[00:16:08]And we need to kind of either take it back by having reasoned conversations with them or we need to stop talking to them and letting them do what they do.

[00:16:22]Uh this run-on gish gallop uh where they're pandering to their audience and they're just reinforcing that belief in them and they're using us as uh fodder to do it with. And I I I think we need we need to be better at explaining uh what a real biologist thinks about evolution and what our what our stance is on it. And we need to be better at explaining it to the average person.

[00:16:51]>> And we need to be better at letting not letting them control the narrative, which is what they're doing.

[00:17:00]>> Yeah. Scott and I were talking before the show started about um why I I was explaining to him why I have so little understanding of geology. And oh, I love the Hello Kitty cup.

[00:17:16]>> God hates it.

[00:17:19]>> He calls it his red kitty qualia cup when we talk about consciousness and things like that. And I don't know, he just has said it way too many times.

[00:17:29]There's only a li there's a limit to how many times you can hear red kitty quality cup uh without going crazy. So, >> I've been posting about consciousness using my red kitty qualia cup and and an oak tree in my backyard for since uh 2006 >> and I have 50,000 posts on forums out there >> and the red kitty qualia cup was in every one of them because that was my that was my explanation of qualia and how you know consciousness works and that's another thing that I'm really into is uh the physical nature of consciousness. and how there's nothing.

[00:18:07]>> Yeah. And how philosophers have just been so wrong for so long about consciousness.

[00:18:14]>> Yeah.

[00:18:16]>> Yeah. That there's a there's a hard problem with consciousness and what it is is a hard problem of intuition. We're we're not smart enough to understand what we are yet. We're smart enough to raise the questions, right? we're not smart enough to answer the questions. So, we have a hard problem of intuition. So, anyway, but I'm really into that. I've got that's why I got into neuroscience so heavily is uh I I was looking for the neural coralate of consciousness and uh eventually I realized it's [ __ ] There is no neural coralate of consciousness. And anyway, that's a long discussion, but something else I'm into.

[00:18:57]What I find baffling with the Christian argument is, you know, they say we don't understand how uh a consciousness could come about without a god making it. Therefore, a god had to have made it.

[00:19:14]>> But I'm going, okay, now why are you not making looking at the same thing and saying I don't see how a mind could exist without a brain?

[00:19:25]>> Right. Right.

[00:19:26]So why do you imagine that there is a mind out there that has no brain?

[00:19:31]>> Yeah. Yeah. And not only that, but a mind without a world uh basically >> other than the one he created, right?

[00:19:39]The you know the simulation that he created uh like >> well before he created the world there would have you know there would have been nothing except this mind allegedly.

[00:19:48]>> Yeah. And what does a mind do? What does a mind like how does a mind think without there being time?

[00:19:54]>> Right. Like when you think you think like uh thinking is an acceptation of of walking and moving, right?

[00:20:02]>> Uh the some of the same mechanisms in your brain allow you to reason and think and do a narrative as we use to walk around a room or you know type or whatever. You know these it it's kind of the same system. And uh there is no consciousness without a world around you that you're you know that you you exist in and sensing. And so the so that's why I am a hard atheist is because I don't I think it's absolutely ridiculous that there could be a mind without body and world >> you know >> it's just ridiculous. So >> uh you have to explain how that works to me first.

[00:20:41]>> You know it's funny because I actually had a little bit of that conversation with my husband. For my husband, religion is off the table. He doesn't want to talk about it. Um because he's still a believer.

[00:20:52]>> Okay.

[00:20:53]>> But I did ask him at one time, >> do you believe that a mind can exist, you know, can do you believe in the existence of a disembodied mind? And he said, "No, of course not." And I said, "Well, what is God if not a disembodied mind?" He said, "Well, okay, that's the exception. You know, God can exist as a disembodied mind, but that's it.

[00:21:17]>> No more questions, >> which is kind of an example of special pleading, but >> right, >> we don't I don't want to I don't want to criticize your husband, but >> yeah. Yeah. Maybe he's one of these, you know, spiritual Christians that, you know, just let him have that because that because that works, you know, as long as you don't as long as you don't think about it, as long as you don't start to >> uh as long as you don't take the ideas and start to attack science and everything else around you based on those ideas, >> uh it is a path to peace. You know, that sort of >> Right. Exactly. Exactly. If you're going to attack science, attack science based on established ideas. You know, good ideas, not bad ideas, like things we made up in our head as a culture and continue to reinforce with one another.

[00:22:06]That that's not the same thing as criticizing science rightfully. You know, >> I mean, I could have uh started a religion based on my red kitty qualia cup and just worship that >> and I would have been the devil.

[00:22:23]Scott, you'll get used to it.

[00:22:25]>> Hail the kitty.

[00:22:27]>> Hail the kitty. Yeah, I got three kitties. Yeah.

[00:22:30]Yep.

[00:22:32]I'm way way too attached to my kitties.

[00:22:34]I've become a catman.

[00:22:38]I would have if it weren't for spaying and neutering, I'd have 500 kitties living in my house.

[00:22:46]>> Yeah. I'd be shoveling cat litter like, you know, with a manure fork.

[00:22:52]Anyway, >> I'm I'm wondering how a timeless mind could create anything >> because you know you brought up the the fact that you know a mind has a mind wouldn't be able to think in time because there is no time.

[00:23:12]>> A mind could not decide to create because there is no time.

[00:23:16]>> Yeah. the the concept of before time is is meaningless.

[00:23:23]>> Yeah.

[00:23:23]>> So, how can a mind exist with before time?

[00:23:27]>> Yeah. What is, you know, it's it's just so obvious that what they're doing is they're they're taking uh this this anth anthropomorphic sense, right? And because, you know, we build tools, we do things. We humans sit down and we think, "Oh, I'm going to pick I'm going to do this. I'm going to pick this cup up. I'm going to make a cup of coffee. I'm going to build a house. I'm going to do this." And and so they projected our us onto the universe, which is not very humble if you ask me, >> lacking humility to think that the entire universe is about me and my mind and you know my something I would do.

[00:24:10]But yeah, how would God uh begin to create? And why would why would God create? What would you know what and and how does God love without a limbic system, you know, without emotions? I mean, but no, okay, the spirit mind has emotions apparently, you know, and can love and all this [ __ ] And why is he such a dick?

[00:24:32]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:24:35]It's just like I have my little creation and it just went astray. I mean, it's so obviously a uh patriarchal male dominated family figure, right? Or family or tribe. I mean, that's where it comes from. And the tribe, you know, the the uh the tribal leader or the father is uh disappointed in his people. They he gave them all this stuff and they went ahead and they they ate his cookies and and they went out and they started to sin, right? And it's like this whole story is just so juvenile that I just want to scream sometime and I'm I don't know, you know, there are deeper ways to look at Christianity. Like I say, that spiritual Christian thing, you know, where you kind of like uh suspend your rational mind for a little while and and just feel, you know, life, you know, just experience life.

[00:25:32]>> And that is the same thing that a spiritual atheist does, right? Same exact thing. We just we live.

[00:25:37]>> I I was going to suggest, you know, Scott mentioned, you know, being involved as a secular Buddhist for a while. Um I I don't think you used that word, but I knew someone else that used that term.

[00:25:48]>> Yeah. secular Buddhist. Um, but I I think that may be kind of the same thing.

[00:25:54]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's uh like uh secular Buddhism and basically Buddhism in general understands that a lot of the thinky brain, the little narrative that we run >> that that a lot of that is illusion and [ __ ] You know, even our ego or that, you know, we are a thing, that sort of thing. And it makes us suffer and gets us into trouble. And the way around that, of course, you know, uh, techniques in meditation, you try to shut off the thinky brain and you you you uh my my daughter used to call it the hamster running around on the wheel, you know, >> and she she said she used to get drunk to knock it off the wheel.

[00:26:34]>> And which explains alcoholism. But uh >> but the idea is to to just draw yourself into your body, your surroundings, your feelings, your emotions without letting the narrative drive you crazy. And Christianity is is a religion that is so far away from that that it becomes a anxietyridden life-threatening game. uh that you know is uh and I got into that when I was a teenager with Ellen Watts.

[00:27:07]>> His whole point was that Christianity was the ultimate uh high stakes game where you got the God and the devil and you're going to go to hell or you're going to go to heaven or you know it's a big deal, right? And uh Ellen Watts explained Buddhism like this. He said, "Uh, you go through your life and you're you're playing I'm I'm playing at being Mike, you know, my entire life and then I die and then I end up going through the pearly gates and they usher me into the throne room and there's God sitting on the throne and he's, you know, 500 feet tall. It's this gruff looking guy and he, you know, and he and and and he looks at you and he starts laughing and then slaps you on the back and say, "We're we were only kidding."

[00:27:50]>> It was a joke.

[00:27:51]>> It was a joke. and and you realize at that moment that this whole thing was not that serious, you know, and I think uh Ellen Watts even has a book I think something about not being serious or it ain't serious or has a theme on it. Anyway, so I mean it's I think there's better ways to be religious or spiritual than than uh I think Christianity and Islam are really destructive ways to think about the world >> and it really worries me. So I'm a little bit of an anti-theist on top of it. So >> I'm I'm with you there. Robert uh Wheeler says, "Isn't spiritual atheism a contradiction of terms?" No, it's not.

[00:28:38]>> No, >> because >> atheism simply simply means you don't believe in any gods, >> right?

[00:28:44]>> You can believe in a spiritual aspect to life and a spiritual >> I don't want to say a spiritual realm because that's not really what I mean.

[00:28:54]>> No. Um, but you can believe that there is a spirit and being in touch with your own spirit without there being a god involved.

[00:29:03]>> Yeah. Yeah. Spiritual naturalism would probably be a better word.

[00:29:08]>> So, but here's the thing. If you're a naturalist and and you believe that we are only, you know, natural things or animals, whatever, then you understand that you're an organism.

[00:29:20]You're an animal and you have a you have this brain thing, right? And you have this rationality in your brain, but that rationality is a very small part of your life. the most of your life is feeling and emotions and and involvement and community and it just all of these things that are a much greater than that rational narrative thinky brain or our ego brain or whatever the hell you want to call it. So I mean if you're a true naturalist you understand that spirit you have to be a spiritual animal because spiritual means breathe and live and you know operate and and you know we get born and then we're like a little flame and we get to live for a while and then poof we're gone and and and the time that we're living all this stuff is happening. who were so involved in the world, right? We're this little we're like a little insect running around out there for 75 or 100 years and then uh you know and and that's it. And if you're uh if you truly understand what you are, you realize that this this spirit thing that we're talking about, which is everything else besides our narrative in our brain, our rational brain uh and and that's how I how I recover spiritual naturalism. So anyway, but you know that the the problem is that spirit has become this idea that it's it it is that brain thing, right?

[00:30:51]That there's like this like like you could remove your body and you'd still be thinking, you know, ghosts and all that stuff cuz I mean it seems like there's something in here, right? like there's some little uh spirit thing going on and and taking that and uh misunderstanding what it is and how it works and creating this spirit realm.

[00:31:12]>> You have to remember too that like dowoism um has existed for quite a number of centuries and they don't require a god. Are you going to consider dowists as not spiritual because they don't have a god? That would be some sort of spiritual atheism or or something. Also, um here I want to plug the channel if you would allow me to.

[00:31:37]>> Yeah, I I was trying to get to that at some point. Yeah, go ahead.

[00:31:40]>> Britt Hartley's um Oh, what's the name of her channel?

[00:31:45]>> Uh nononsense spirituality.

[00:31:48]>> Noonsense spirituality. She recently did a video.

[00:31:53]>> She's excellent. alternatives to AA >> when where she dealt with the idea that you have to and what's the phrase Mike about um submitting yourself to God as you understand him or something like that.

[00:32:09]>> Yeah, it's it's basically understanding that you are just an organism in the universe and there's a lot of [ __ ] you don't control.

[00:32:17]>> But there's a wording in the 12 steps that that invokes God, the name the word God and and what What she did was say, "Thank of God as reality and spirituality as stripping away all that narrative that you insist upon the world >> uh in order to to cope in the world."

[00:32:36]Um, you know, a lot of the narratives that we tell our things we tell ourselves even even as atheists is [ __ ] >> They're just dysfunctional ways of coping that have led to our harm. And um get a you know if strip try to strip away all that and just accept the world as it is and sub you know submit to that as you try to reassemble your life. And it can be a a source of not just uh help in reassembling your life but also in a developing a sense of wonder and awe at the world. Haven't we all had periods of time where we have >> through something we've read or through information we've got and we've just been blown away and suddenly our brains are just floating on this cloud of of enlightenment and or a sense of oneness or connection with the world where there's no difference between me and and you know me and the anything else and we're all just made of the same thing where you get that sense and not necessarily even on drugs. I've had those experiences without any substances involved and that's a you know that is is definitely a spiritual experience no matter you know there may be groups who uh doctrines and dogmas that try to deny that but there is a spirituality that that you can have which is um um not rooted in the deity.

[00:34:09]>> Yeah. I I I've uh had like many struggles with drugs and alcohol all through my life. I'm currently 19 years sober and uh the like the last time and almost every time that I reached my bottom and I sobered up I and I I I do it with AA and I run a secular AA meeting and the last time it was me saying I'm done. I I have no answers in Mike anymore. I'm completely an open empty vessel. I'm going to go to that AA meeting and I told myself I'm going to do whatever these [ __ ] tell me to do. If they tell me to keep walking and jump off a cliff, that's what I'm going to do. I will do anything you tell me to do. They told me to get a sponsor, read the big book, and go to 90 meetings in 90 days. And I did. And that was 19 years ago. But there was this giving up of my own uh like there was a giving up of a whole lot of myself that I had you know ideas that I had built up and becoming very very open-minded >> about how you know what was next cuz I was at the bottom. I I was ready to leave this planet. uh I was within a few days of death and uh I just decided to just give up and this everything just poured into me at that point and it completely changed my life and that is what it means to give yourself to God as you understand them that sort of thing.

[00:35:38]And so all of those AA12 steps are just this wonderful program in psychology to help you uh abandon the rigid ideas that you've basically let dominate you in the past. And and the same thing can happen with, you know, like like a like I guess a Trump supporter, you know, he could just say, "I don't know. I don't know what's going on. I give up." You know, tell me. and and completely open himself up and he'll start to change. You know, you start to change the way you think and and that happens to us many times during our life and over, you know, a lot of thing like Scott was saying, things other than alcohol and drugs. So, yeah, but Brett uh Britartly does an amazing job of explaining secular spirituality and she wants to take the word spiritual back. uh some uh a comment that you displayed was talking about, you know, I'm using edetmology uh to uh divine spirit. Yes, I am. Uh I'm bringing the word back to breathe, you know, breathing and being alive. I mean, I'm this buzzy little insect thing running around on the planet and that's all it is. Yeah. I'm using edmology to control the modern defining of spirit.

[00:36:55]Well, we're not going to use uh ancient Christianity to define it for us either.

[00:37:00]We're we're rejecting that. We're saying we're going to take the word back and use it and use it in a different way. I mean, >> okay. I just want to plug your channel just for a moment. Scott and Mike have a channel called Answers in Atheism. There is a link in the description to that channel. Please go and subscribe if you are not already subscribed. Um, before the show started, Scott was talking to me a little bit about uh, geology. And so, also linked in the description are a couple of geology ch channels if you want to know a little bit more about geology.

[00:37:34]>> Yeah. And and the reason we were talking about geology is I mentioned to Scott that the reason that I know so little about geology is the way our school system was set up. In eighth grade, most people took earth science and a few the the few a few select students were permitted to take ninth grade introductory physical science in 8th grade. And I was one of those students.

[00:38:01]And if you took uh IPS in 8th grade, when you got to 9th grade, you had the choice of going back and taking Earth Science or of taking PS2 and bypassing Earth Science. And most of the collegebound students were encouraged to take PS2 and skip the Earth Science, which is what I did. And so I graduated high school with no earth science at all. Nothing.

[00:38:29]>> Yeah. And uh I went to college and studied mass communication.

[00:38:34]Science was not my for I took only two science classes in all of college. I took biology 101 and I took chemistry for non-chemistry majors and that's it.

[00:38:44]Those are the only two science classes I took in college. So yeah, I I graduated college with zero understanding of geology.

[00:38:53]>> Yeah.

[00:38:55]Yeah. And it's uh there there are some good channels that you know that that start at the basics and give you the whole metamorphic ignous rock thing and all that. But yeah, and there's uh you know, as far as the the creationist idea, when you look at when you look at rocks, like the chemical makeup of rocks and and the uh the physical structure of like sandstones and limestones and all of that, you realize very quickly that it took a lot of time for that to happen. there's no way in hell it happened. And like their idea is that it was mud that dried out and and that doesn't work with chemistry, right? The chemistry doesn't work. So if you get it like I've got a ton of books on geology and if I had another life, I would do that. But uh it it's really obvious when you start to listen to Nick Zentner and some of these geologists describe what's happening when they they go out and they look at a rock formation and they tell you all the things that happened.

[00:39:52]There's like continents sliding and scratching into each other and folding and pressure and all that stuff and you're like, "No, that's not mud. That's not a flood. That's that's something that takes a lot of time." So, it really is neat to get into geology, too. Uh, and if you get in, you got to get into these things a little deeper.

[00:40:13]So, that's what I mean by them letting them control the narrative. They always keep us at the surface level of science.

[00:40:21]>> Like for evolution, they'll get us talking about the moth, you know, the black moth and the white moth out in England and and they'll ask us, "What is your best evidence for evolution?" And and they'll get you to come up with some like narrative without details, right?

[00:40:37]And and that totally misses the damn point.

[00:40:41]>> And so we spend all of our time doing that, right? Go ahead. It's like all from from the comments and stuff that I read on occasion. I I don't spend a lot of time reading comments on creationist channels or or whatever, but the ones I do see, it seems like they have become experts in uh u answers in Genesis curriculum or um Kent Hovind discs or whatever and not um becoming uh enthusiasts in science.

[00:41:13]Maybe there are some, you know, maybe they they'll pick a field where they don't have to think about evolution so much.

[00:41:20]>> U but um but it just see it just seems like there's a memorization of memes or something that seems to be going on and that's substituting for studying the topic.

[00:41:32]>> Um and um it just there's just a there's just a wealth of information out there if you just limit it to YouTube. There are so many good uh teaching videos and teaching uh series about any given field of science to where they are without excuse I would suppose other than the fact that they're afraid of stepping out of line, stepping out of the the dogmatism of their communities.

[00:42:02]>> Yeah.

[00:42:02]>> And uh and >> yeah, that's what I mean by that's exactly what I mean by controlling the narrative. They they keep they keep launching these memes that they've come up with and they've got all these PhD science scientists and they're paying them hundred, you know, over $100,000 a year to come up with all these little oneoff things about evolution. A really good example is orphan genes. You ever heard of orphan genes? Anybody?

[00:42:28]>> Yeah. Okay. They'll say, "Okay, there's genes in humans that don't exist at all in chimpanzees or in other primates or in mice or whatever." And so they'll they'll go on about orphan genes is like oh that disproves evolution because this entire gene which is like you know 700 amino acids long would had to have been created just suddenly by pure chance you know popped up. But then if you look into the science of orphan genes, you you pick a gene. Like I took the 10 most popular orphan genes and I went out and I I went to uh the NCBI database and looked at the actual genomes and I found their most popular example of an orphan gene. I found a homalogue in mice.

[00:43:13]>> Right? So it's been there all along. It just wasn't a it wasn't a a gene that was read and expressed in some species, right? And then if you look a little bit further into it, their whole thing about orphan genes, they will insist that the cat kind was two cats that hopped off the ark and created tigers and lions and all that.

[00:43:34]>> Well, they have orphan genes between them.

[00:43:37]>> So what? So, so if they're saying that that can't happen, then how the hell are their cats and lions and because they have orphan genes, right? So, they're shooting themselves in the foot. But, but if you let them control the narrative, they'll spend five minutes on that subject and as soon as you start drilling into it, they'll move on to the next subject, the next meme, the next, you know, and they got that whole host of memes they get from Answers in Genesis and all that. And that's why I'm saying we have to stop letting them control us because they're just g galloping and they're they're just they're reinforcing everybody that's listening and they're saying, "Yeah, those scientists are just so so ignorant and brainwashed and oh my goodness.

[00:44:24]>> I don't understand why more people don't go after the history."

[00:44:28]Um because you know their claim is that a small group of people from Babel >> uh populated the entire earth. So why do we not find Babylonian artifacts in every in every culture on the planet?

[00:44:47]>> Yeah. At the bottom layer there there should be Babylonian artifacts. Yeah.

[00:44:52]>> Right. Exactly. Exactly. And why didn't why didn't the Neanderthalss and uh Chinese have copies of the Bible? Why are the you know where are the copies of the Bible for all those people that supposedly came from Babel? I mean didn't did they forget their Bible?

[00:45:10]>> Well, it wasn't written yet.

[00:45:12]>> God didn't do God didn't give the Bible until Moses came and that was not till a couple hundred years ago.

[00:45:19]>> But I mean we're but but they must have known about God and Christianity in some manner. Right. Right. Right.

[00:45:24]>> I mean, Adam and Eve did, right? They they knew the whole God thing. So, why is it why isn't that story in all of their cultures?

[00:45:34]>> You know, of course, >> I think I think they would respond that all cultures have some form of a God >> and that they didn't know much about Yahweh, but they knew that God existed.

[00:45:46]In the same way that they talk about that every culture has a flood story, therefore every culture knew about the flood, >> right?

[00:45:54]And I'm sure every culture actually had a flood when you think about it.

[00:45:57]>> Oh, yeah. Of course.

[00:45:58]>> I mean, like the culture in Missouri and Texas right now have their own flood stories. You know, >> it's like new flood myths are popping up every day.

[00:46:12]>> Scott, you mentioned something earlier that I was really curious about, and that is that you became a Christian at 14.

[00:46:19]>> Um, >> how did how did that come about? What convinced you to to join Christianity?

[00:46:26]>> There was a girl involved.

[00:46:30]>> In other words, I got invited to a vacation Bible school or something and and I got witnessed to and you know, accepted through that, you know, accepted Jesus into my heart and all that.

[00:46:42]>> U so that that's the we like growing up we didn't go to church. Um I my mom had grown up Church of Christ, my dad had grown up Southern Baptist, and the two counseledled each other out and their compromise was we're just not going to send the kids to church at all.

[00:47:00]>> Although occasionally we would go to a vacation Bible school or something when invited. Mhm. But >> anyway, so yeah, I got witnessed to and you know, I just felt like such a dummy when I became a when I became atheist because I look back and I go all I did was go, "Uhhuh. Uhhuh. That seems logical and I and accepted it." So I I just feel like a to, you know, felt like a total idiot for years, you know, after um um after becoming an atheist. And then I just don't think about that and I don't feel like an idiot. Now that we're talking about it, I feel like an idiot again. It's just it's one of those things. I did not ask critical questions and I guess I should have uh although I was a big fan of science and and I remember at one point uh before you know um I be became a Christian became saved or whatever they call it um I had been reading magazines that you know about dinosaurs and you know what they've discovered and what they looked like how long ago they left and somebody told me uh Nope, all those magazines are wrong because Jesus, you know, because God. And I went, well, that sounds stupid. But here I am, you know, my a girl invites me to vacation Bible school, and I go, "Okay, let's go." And and I become Christian.

[00:48:27]That that was the worst the worst week of my life, I guess. But anyway, >> when I was 15, I would have followed a girl into Christianity.

[00:48:36]Well, I I I I dated a pastor's daughter and uh I I went to pick her up one day.

[00:48:42]I was 15 years old.

[00:48:43]>> And he said, "I want to talk to you."

[00:48:45]And he takes me in his office and he locks the door and starts screaming at me about Satan and I know what you I know about you, you boys and what you want, you know, you want to sin. And he was just yelling at me and I was like up against the wall just terrified. and I ran away and I think I broke up with her minutes later.

[00:49:07]Otherwise, maybe I would have been a been a Christian. I don't know.

[00:49:11]>> But he was cute.

[00:49:17]>> He wasn't a pastor, was he?

[00:49:19]>> Yeah, he was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He had the He had the Bible in his hand while he was screaming at me.

[00:49:25]>> I ain't [ __ ] you. It was like right out of a movie. It was unbelievable. And I was terrified. I thought he was going to hurt me. It was just unbelievable.

[00:49:33]>> Well, I'm just thinking that, you know, h how can you expect to convert anyone, to bring anyone into your church with that kind of >> Right. He pushed me. Maybe that's why I'm an atheist.

[00:49:44]>> Right. Right. He must have had a tiny congregation.

[00:49:49]>> Yeah. Right. Him and his daughter.

[00:49:53]Well, you know, um there was a in the 90s there, there was a whole generation that dotted all these little small churches that just kind of longed for preachers that would scream at you and pound the pulpit and tell you what a sinner you were. And of course, when at the times where I was a pre a preaching man, uh sometimes I would get criticized for not doing that because I wasn't a screamer or a pounder or whatever. Um it just just kind of >> there is something about this beaten down surviile attitude that it's just an unhealthy dysfunction.

[00:50:34]Like I said, you know, um, spiritual atheism, uh, let's let's bow down to reality and get rid of all these old dysfunctional narratives and see what we can, you know, do to improve our lives that way because, uh, you know, an old man telling me I should scream at him is just sick.

[00:50:55]>> Yeah.

[00:50:55]>> Yeah. That's the Southern Baptist style.

[00:50:58]>> Yeah. We went to a Southern Baptist church once and my husband and I looked at each other and said, "Nope, >> nope." Yeah.

[00:51:06]>> Something something happened back in the 60s with the whole hippie movement >> where um like I I remember when I went to church when I was you six, eight years old, all they talked about is God.

[00:51:17]The only time they mentioned Jesus was at Christmas and Easter, right? It was all God, God, God, right?

[00:51:23]>> And then this whole born-again Christian thing happened. And of course, you know, hippies went out and they did every goddamn drug they could stuff into their brains and they were completely screwed up and lost and and then all of a sudden a whole bunch of them turned into this born again movement and that's where a lot of cults started up. I I seen a documentary recently and I can't remember uh where I saw it but they hinted at that basically this born again movement popping up in the 60s the as a result of kind of as you know when the uh when the wave hit the wall you know with the the whole hippie movement and it just you know and then started to come back and it washed us away and made a lot of changes and I think a lot of this [ __ ] uh became ingrained there or became more weaponiz and dangerous and it allowed the I I know there were fringe groups, you know, even in 1900s that were crazy anti-science uh fundamentalists, but they were very very small and I think their influence grew drastically because of what we did in the 60s I think. I don't know us boomers.

[00:52:39]>> I became a Christian at the tail end of that.

[00:52:42]>> Okay. Yeah.

[00:52:43]>> It was the I found it movement that that me.

[00:52:47]>> Yeah, that's it. That's exactly what I'm talking about. And it, you know, like uh we were lost. I mean, we, you know, we got into LSD and all of that and marijuana and all that stuff. And then we got into meth, right? methampetamine and all the harder drugs and stuff and we got so screwed up that the only thing you could do is you know convert right the for your own >> s drugs >> yeah you didn't do the drugs you just did okay >> because I was only 16 when I converted >> okay >> I had never even tried drugs and I never even smoked a cigarette >> yeah well Yeah.

[00:53:27]Yep.

[00:53:29]I certainly did.

[00:53:33]Well, I didn't uh actually get into drugs till I was 19. It was 1969 before they came to the to Northern Minnesota.

[00:53:41]>> The bikers brought them in. And uh so prior to that, it was all alcohol and and cigarettes. Yeah.

[00:53:47]>> I was certainly aware of drugs being available in in my high school and I I knew who was doing drugs and who wasn't.

[00:53:54]It was it was kind of obvious, but >> I was I was I I had reputation as a goodie two shoes.

[00:54:02]>> Um and that that people thought I would turn them in if I saw them. And so most people would put away their drugs and put out their cigarettes if they saw me coming.

[00:54:10]>> That's a good thing. Yep.

[00:54:13]Suffer that anyway.

[00:54:16]Yeah. So, >> skeptic Philosophy says, "Southern Baptist, you should try one of those non-denominational Pentecostal hellfire and brimstone churches. Good stuff. They can preach you into hell in the parking lot even before you make it in."

[00:54:33]>> Oh my goodness.

[00:54:34]>> I went to a Pentecostal church for a short time. Um, now they didn't they they didn't scream the way the Southern Baptists did. They more danced around and spoke in tongues and >> Yeah.

[00:54:48]>> Yeah. That was more their thing.

[00:54:52]>> Yeah.

[00:54:55]>> I I like to respond to people that are that that like to do speaking in tongues. I on Twitter. I used to follow Paul White Kane and then I would just hit random keys on my keyboard and say, "I'm typing in tonesues."

[00:55:11]>> Typing in tonesues. Oh, that's good. My cat does that all the time when I'm trying to write something, typing in tones.

[00:55:20]But it's there's something the the thing about Christianity that demeaning aspect of it that you know, you're weak, you're a sinner, you're you're a sinner when you're born. And what they do to children and all that stuff, it's just so destructive. And I thought we'd be so over that by the 21st century. But >> I wonder if it's a longing to go back to the uh Jonathan Edwards era where you know he had that famous >> uh in the hands of an angry god. Yeah.

[00:55:51]>> Yeah. Because that's what worked a few a couple hundred years ago.

[00:55:56]>> Maybe that's they're just repeat Jonathan Edwards and it's just not happening.

[00:56:01]>> Yeah.

[00:56:03]>> I know. It's kind of sad. And then and and the misogyny, you know, is really just thick and it just really irritates me. And that's what they mean about going back to the 50s. They want to go back to the perfect misogyny or whatever.

[00:56:18]>> Yeah.

[00:56:18]>> And uh Yeah.

[00:56:20]>> And and and and then they try to, you know, come up with these little little things, you know, like trans people. And of course, I think they've gotten over gay a little bit, but not quite. And uh the furries, you know, they're worried about the furries in school. And I keep hearing all this [ __ ] Uh, and uh, >> it was it was Ardan that pointed out to me that they really don't care about the trans people. The trans people are a stepping stone to get to women. Um, and and I see it and she's absolutely right because the whole argument that they are making is we need to protect women. We need to protect women's spaces.

[00:56:59]>> Yeah. And I keep railing against that and saying,"I don't need your stinking protection. I'm an adult. I will take care of myself. Thank you very much."

[00:57:10]>> And it when they convince women that they need protection, that's when you can start controlling women.

[00:57:18]>> Yeah.

[00:57:18]>> And I have a problem with that with a portion of the Me Too movement as well.

[00:57:24]You know, this this believe women.

[00:57:28]I I I don't I don't disagree with believe women, but I don't think women should be believed any more than men, >> right?

[00:57:35]>> We we we need to be, you know, everyone that makes a statement, we check into that statement and, you know, find out what evidence there is to back or refute that statement. And women are no different from men when it comes to truthfulness.

[00:57:54]>> Yeah. Yep.

[00:58:00]Yeah. And then there's the uh another thing that's reared its head recently is like made by Jim Bob and the the brotherhood, you know, the bros >> and the uh the leaning into that Orthodox uh church, uh Eastern Orthodox, I think it is, or something like that.

[00:58:18]Is that what it is, Scott? That that they're all into?

[00:58:22]>> Yeah. you really identify with the uh Eastern Orthodox Church. I think mostly because you don't have to worry about that that uh that that Bible, you know, that troublesome Bible. You just just follow their dogmas and >> and repeat your uh tag argument and boom, I guess you're a saint now.

[00:58:45]>> Yeah. The the point I wanted to make is that they're uh they are bringing in a lot of young men and and they're they're basically hitting these angsty young lost men.

[00:58:56]>> Yes.

[00:58:57]>> Who uh you know haven't uh had much luck mating. Of course, not many of us do.

[00:59:03]And and they're they're hitting that and they're giving them you know this misogynistic brotherhood, right? It's mostly dudes, you know, that are in those channels and uh they're just patting each other in the back and uh making fun of uh any woman that comes on that dares open her mouth and it's really a disturbing thing and it's hitting that younger segment and I was hoping that the youngans were going to shed this stuff, right? But no, it's like coming back again and it's in a new and uglier way. And uh that's something to keep an eye on. And these guys, I don't know why in the hell they're even I mean, I'm not for censorship, but I don't even understand how the hell they're allowed to say and do the [ __ ] they do on YouTube when if I make some little joke about something uh you know, the the disease we had, right?

[01:00:01]I don't want to say any words on your channel. Uh, I'll I'll get I'll get my YouTube video taken down, but they're sitting there making fun. I mean, like attacking women in the crudest ways and they get away with it and it's like, what the hell? Apparently, the algorith or the robots aren't good at detecting misogyny.

[01:00:22]I don't know. I'm not sure. Mhm.

[01:00:24]>> Anyway, >> um I have a com question from Robert Wheeler is so would Granny want to compete with biological males in sports?

[01:00:35]I don't want to compete with biological females in sports, >> right?

[01:00:39]>> I I have always been terrible at sports.

[01:00:43]The only sport I have ever been any good at was triathlon. And I wasn't competing with the other racers. I was competing with the course. And if I finished the course, I won.

[01:00:56]That that was the only thing I was racing was the course.

[01:01:00]>> Yeah. And this like when did sports become like a national concern? I mean, it's a goddamn game, you know, that people are making money on and there's all of these organizations, right? I don't even know what they are cuz I don't follow sports, but like the football people, they have an organization. Leave it to them to figure this [ __ ] out, okay? Because like if you look at fighters, you know, like uh boxing, they have uh what is it?

[01:01:27]Middleweight and heavyweight and you know, they they're they're already regulating who can fight who, right?

[01:01:35]>> So, I mean, what is wrong with letting the sports people run their goddamn game themselves? It's just game.

[01:01:42]>> Exactly.

[01:01:43]>> Who gives a [ __ ] You know, it's always what they want to do is they want you to imagine your daughter in a restroom with a man, you know, with a peeping tom or something or imagine your daughter being pummeled, you know, on the field by a man, that sort of thing. So they're hitting that emotion, you know, that that protectiveness we have uh you know for well you know males do have like a protective we've been raised to have this protective well women are smaller than us typically and smaller people we try you know we we would reach out and open a door for them right protect them so I mean they're using these emotions and they're just amplifying them they're make they're getting you to imagine these really worst case scenarios and saying, "Oh, do you want to compete with males in sport?" I mean, like, what the hell, guys? Sober the hell up.

[01:02:39]>> Trans men competing in women's events.

[01:02:44]>> Yeah.

[01:02:45]>> You know, that trans men competing in women's events is far worse than trans women um compete competing in women's events.

[01:02:55]>> Yeah.

[01:02:57]Yeah. And it's just, you know, none of it, none of it is even our business.

[01:03:00]It's the business of those organizations. I mean, they're already, you know, checking for drugs and steroid. I mean, there are all these different ways that you can enhance your physicality to to unfairly compete, right? And they've been doing this for years. Let them handle this. It has nothing to do with politics. And >> right >> and it's it's a nonpro and the goddamn restrooms. If you're worried about the goddamn restrooms, spend a few extra dollars and put a few more boards on those stalls so that they're closed stalls and then you have your own private restroom.

[01:03:34]>> What is the problem, guys? It's like figure it out, >> you know? It's like gez the the the it's just so ridiculous. And what what they're doing is they're they're I understand these buttons because I was like in the 90s I was like a Republican Rush Libball guy and he was pushing my buttons, right? And and I could feel, you know, the fear, you know, the fear of losing my job, my job, and and uh and I understand how they manipulate you and they get you to think that there's some big horrible problem looming, right, that's going to destroy you and they're playing on your anxiety. And that's all they're doing. And that's what this that's what the trans thing is about.

[01:04:20]>> That's what all of this [ __ ] is about.

[01:04:22]>> Yep. Uh the thing with evolution picking on academia they're they're we all have this kind of hatred for the person for the academic academic that gets up and uses big words we don't understand and you know tries to intellectually run over us and and so they hit that emotion right and and it just that's what they're doing. They're manipulating us and you uh you are being manipulated with these little tiny anxieties.

[01:04:56]>> Purple says, "You expect corporations to spend the extra money for the convenience of their customers?"

[01:05:03]>> Definitely gone too far.

[01:05:05]>> Yeah. I've always been a really shy male. I will not pee next to another male. I'll wait for a booth to open up. And when I saw McDonald's, which has floor to ceiling booths, >> I'm like, "Yes, this is this is what I want. I want some privacy, right?" And uh what's wrong with that? Spend a few extra dollars and just solve the goddamn problem. It's not a big deal.

[01:05:29]>> Jesus.

[01:05:32]>> Well, we are out of time.

[01:05:33]>> Yeah, we are. Okay.

[01:05:34]>> Um but before we go, I want you and Scott to both um give a plug for what you've got coming up on your channel.

[01:05:44]Oh my. Let me let me try to handle that.

[01:05:48]I'm lazy and uh I'm going to try to do I've got to learn to get on without Scott. I I I need Scott to back me up all the time because Scott is pretty busy with his grandkids and I've got to learn. And so I'm going to do some really bad content. I think I'm going to force myself to just turn the microphone on and say some stuff in the morning and maybe try to teach one little science fact or whatever. I want to get further into secular spirituality >> and I want to get further into explaining evolution in the way that I see it >> and uh be be uh you know put just putting out content and I uh I always tell people uh subscribe to my channel.

[01:06:29]I want to get to a thousand subs before I die because I'm going to die soon. I'm really old.

[01:06:35]I'm gonna be dead. That's my sales pitch. I'm going to be dead soon.

[01:06:38]Subscribe to me. Uh, and uh, we'll we'll be doing Sonata with Dave uh, you know, on Captive Desk channel.

[01:06:47]We're not going to do it today. This is the first day we haven't done it, but we're going to keep doing that every Saturday. So, >> and we're going to try I think we should do it at 4:30. So, we don't I I found out we were stepping on you.

[01:07:00]>> Uh, because we did it at 4 4 PM and I would prefer not to do that.

[01:07:04]>> But, I'm hoping to come up with some content. I would really appreciate I what I would really appreciate it if you guys would listen to what we say and comment and engage us in the comments and please start this dialogue which is really important. I mean what we come up with on our show is just the tip of the iceberg. Let's get into a dialogue in comments and pay a little attention and start because the only hope we have is through dialogue amongst ourselves to counteract uh what I see as a possible really dark future.

[01:07:42]So this is important.

[01:07:44]>> I find getting these dialogues very difficult. Um the few people that are willing to engage are not really willing to engage. There people who want to come on and preach and go on Gish Gallops or they've got their gotcha points that they want to bring across.

[01:08:04]>> Yeah. They just run a script.

[01:08:06]>> Right. Right. I recently did a video responding to a professor at Moody Bible Institute and I put a comment on his video and said if you're really truthful about what you are saying here which is that he wants to engage with atheists I welcome you to come on my show or you know if you're too busy assign one of your students to do this as a school project. Um, I I I would be I'd be glad to welcome them on the show for a conversation and I promise I won't eat them and I have never heard from him.

[01:08:41]>> Same here. I I I I get very few Christians that are willing to engage.

[01:08:46]>> Uh, they want me on their channel so they can call me a liar and, you know, yell at me and shut me down. Uh, but I can't get them to engage. If you ever find anybody who wants to engage on evolution, >> keep me in mind, >> okay?

[01:08:59]If you find somebody that's willing to have a conversation, a reasonable low-key conversation, I would love to do that. So, >> Answers and Atheism has 92 subs. Um, if everybody who watches this show that is not already subscribed to Answers and Atheism would please go over there and subscribe, I think we might be able to get them to a thousand. Um, I'm hoping.

[01:09:26]Um, so let's let let's at least give them as big a boost as we can, but let Yeah, let's go.

[01:09:33]>> Thank you. Thank you.

[01:09:35]>> Yeah, that would it would encourage me if people would just watch some of the videos we put out. I'd put out more content, you know, but if I get 60 views, uh, it's a little disappointing, you know.

[01:09:46]>> Oh, yeah.

[01:09:47]>> 60 views and no comments. And these these topics are very important to me, you know, and >> I would like to engage. So anyway, >> okay, >> thank you so much for having us on.

[01:10:00]>> You are most welcome. You know, at the at the start of the show, if you saw me looking at my phone, what I always do is I check my phone to see who is next week's guest so I can introduce them at the end of the show. And I was really surprised and I found out there isn't one. I don't have anybody scheduled for next week. So, next week I'm going to be doing a call-in show. And if anyone would like to co-host with me on that, send me either an instant message on Facebook or send me an email if you would like to co-host a call-in show with me next week.

[01:10:30]>> We need to get Kirk uh you know Allan, whatever the number is, Alan to come to to uh co-host and tell us all about owls because apparently >> that would be interesting. Yes.

[01:10:42]>> Yeah.

[01:10:44]>> Yeah, it's Kurt Allen, I think is his name, but I'm not sure. Yeah, Kurt's always good to talk to you. He he's he's he's good on a panel. I've always enjoyed him.

[01:10:54]>> Robert out there, too. Not Robert. Uh yeah, Skeptic Philosophy is named Robert, right?

[01:11:00]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[01:11:01]>> Okay. I got confused, but yeah, Skeptic Philosophy. He's good to have on a panel, too.

[01:11:06]>> Okay. Okay. Sounds good. Sounds good.

[01:11:09]>> Cool. Thank you.

[01:11:10]>> All right. Thank you so much for coming, guys. It has been a pleasure.

[01:11:15]>> Okay.

[01:11:16]>> Thank you. live your life.

[01:11:19]>> Yep.