Caveman creationist might be the dumbest yet

[00:00:00]Dude, evolution is one of the dumbest theories on the planet.

[00:00:04]>> Makes sense considering that you haven't evolved beyond the knuckle dragon status, but you know, you know, we can get past that.

[00:00:33]Welcome, welcome everybody. Hope everybody had a good Thursday and uh we're moving on to a good Friday. Oh, isn't that a thing? That's like a holiday or something.

[00:00:50]Welcome. Welcome.

[00:00:53]We are finally live.

[00:01:06]How's it going? I am very tired. I stayed up way too late last night.

[00:01:11]Far too late.

[00:01:22]And I have to go vote in person today.

[00:01:23]Why do you start streams very early?

[00:01:25]Well, I start them at 9:00 in the morning so that I can be so that my streams can be over by noon so that I have time to work on other stuff.

[00:01:34]You're afraid of death in sort of an abstract sense.

[00:01:42]Going to an LGS tonight to play magic and already feel the tiredness of tomorrow. Oh, I feel that.

[00:01:55]I feel that. All right. Well, we do have our first guest.

[00:02:00][clears throat] So, why don't we bring up Weird Thoughts 8.

[00:02:15]Weird thoughts 8. How's it going?

[00:02:17]>> Good. How you doing?

[00:02:18]>> I'm doing all right. Weird thoughts. Do you believe in a god?

[00:02:21]>> I do.

[00:02:22]>> Okay. Well, I don't. So, why should I believe in the god that you believe in?

[00:02:28]>> Because it's free will.

[00:02:32]>> That doesn't seem like it's giving me a reason.

[00:02:34]>> The people I know that are atheists and agnostic and the ones that believe in the one true God, Yahweh, there's a difference in their their lives and their existences that's observable.

[00:02:45]Okay. So, what's the reason I should believe in this god?

[00:02:50]>> Well, it brings peace.

[00:02:52]>> I'm pretty understanding that you will never know.

[00:02:56]>> So, you mean like it it like prevents your curiosity from bothering you?

[00:03:02]>> Yeah. Because I mean if you look at scientific community, I mean they've been trying to prove theory of gravity, theor theory of relativity, they're all stuck in theoretical status.

[00:03:11]the theory of relativity is like one of the most wellsupported models that we've ever come up with.

[00:03:16]>> Yeah, it's a model. It's not factual.

[00:03:19]>> The way that we do science is we come up with models and then we test how good those models correspond to the observable reality that we live in. And when they match up with the observable reality that we live in, we say that that's a good model and it accurately represents reality. I don't know what the problem is.

[00:03:32]>> The representation is not the same thing.

[00:03:35]>> I never made that claim.

[00:03:39]Well, here I'll give you a good example.

[00:03:41]So, we call it photosynthesis, right?

[00:03:45]If photosynthesis didn't exist, would any biological matter on this planet be able to sustain?

[00:03:52]>> Perhaps in a different way. Yeah. I mean, there's something called chemosynthesis.

[00:03:56]>> Okay. But that's theoretical.

[00:03:57]>> No, we've identified photosynthesis.

[00:03:59]>> Chemosynthesis is a thing that exists near hydrothermal vents. Has there ever been an entire civilization where human beings and plant life thrive based off that model alone?

[00:04:08]>> No, but you didn't ask about a civilization. You said life and life can exist without the sun.

[00:04:15]>> Okay. Humans may not survive. Humans may not exist, but life would >> So we do based off photosynthesis. What is it?

[00:04:23]>> What is photosynthesis? It's a process that happens in certain kinds of plants.

[00:04:29]>> It is [snorts] life reborn, recreated.

[00:04:33]I don't know what that means. Look, >> oxygen dies.

[00:04:37]>> Is is the claim that like I should believe in God because you know we can't really know anything anyway and >> even though we want to know something, believing in God will inform our belief that we can't know anything and therefore therefore we'll be satisfied.

[00:04:51]Like what's what's the reason?

[00:04:53]>> The reason is because in the story of creation, God created all the elements that were needed for photosynthesis to sustain before the first plant, animal or human existed.

[00:05:01]>> Wait. No, that's not true.

[00:05:03]>> Did you know that God created plant like in Genesis 1, God created plants before God created the sun?

[00:05:09]>> You're reading that backwards.

[00:05:11]>> No. Day three, God creates the plants.

[00:05:12]Day four, God creates the great lights to rule the sky or the great lights to rule the day and the night, which is the sun and the moon.

[00:05:19]>> What's the first thing that he said in creation?

[00:05:21]>> He said, "Let there be light."

[00:05:24]>> Okay. And what does John 1:1 say?

[00:05:26]>> I have no idea.

[00:05:28]>> In the beginning was the word. The word was God. The word was with God. All things were created through him. Without him, no things were created.

[00:05:35]>> What are the first words God says in creation?

[00:05:39]>> Let there be light.

[00:05:40]>> Sure, but need, >> right?

[00:05:44]>> And we call it the sun. Ironically, you're catching on.

[00:05:48]>> Well, that's and you know, it's an atmological fallacy, but but plants need the su, the big blight, big bright thing in the sky. Plants need that to live, right?

[00:05:57]What's interesting is like when you look at that big bright thing, why is it if it's a total sphere of emitting heat and light and radiency?

[00:06:03]>> Why is there what I said?

[00:06:06]>> I did.

[00:06:07]>> No, you kind of just turned onto some random pivot about the the conspiracy at the sun.

[00:06:13]>> So my question is I I guess actually it wasn't even a question, it was a statement. So plants need the sun, i.e. the big bright thing in the sky to survive.

[00:06:23]No, they need >> just need any any any old kind of light, right?

[00:06:27]>> No, you can literally get a UV lamp and you can have plants grow, can you not?

[00:06:30]>> So, if you get a specific kind of light perhaps, >> but >> where So, so >> you think that there was the earth, right? The earth is a thing and you think that there was, you know, water and land and you think that there was light and there was plants but no sun for the first three days.

[00:06:48]>> It doesn't say there were there was. It says there was light.

[00:06:53]>> Yeah. So, in your view, there were just plants hanging around without a sun.

[00:06:58]>> Is the sun where we get the light?

[00:07:00]>> Yeah.

[00:07:02]>> You're sure of that?

[00:07:04]>> Like 99.9% of all the light that we get on Earth is from the sun.

[00:07:09]>> Okay. And has anybody been to the sun to confirm that?

[00:07:13]>> Yeah. Do Wait, do you mean like people or do you mean like have we sent instruments? Because Yeah, we've sent instruments. Oh, we've actually sent instruments to test the actual surface of it.

[00:07:21]>> Well, the sun doesn't have a have a surface proper because it's not solid.

[00:07:24]>> So, it's another theoretical thing in what I'm telling you.

[00:07:27]>> No, it's not theoretical.

[00:07:30]>> Like, have you ever actually gone out and looked at the sun?

[00:07:34]>> Yep.

[00:07:35]>> What does it do when you look at it too much?

[00:07:37]>> Hurts your eyes. So, you shouldn't look at it unless it's sunset or sunrise.

[00:07:42]It's kind of like, you know, God used a bush for Moses. When Jesus came down from the mountain, he was transfigured.

[00:07:49]Moses the same >> uses objects.

[00:07:55]>> Okay. So, >> to block his pure form.

[00:07:57]>> Weird thoughts. You got to you got to listen. You got to figure from my perspective, this all sounds very silly.

[00:08:03]Why should I believe any of this?

[00:08:05]>> Well, your whole I believe in an idea to be fact is silly to me.

[00:08:09]>> When did I say that? Huh? your theoretical model of that hasn't been proven that humanity.

[00:08:14]>> Which theoretical model hasn't been proven?

[00:08:17]>> The one that you said in in light of photosynthesis.

[00:08:20]>> What theoretical model in light of photosynthesis hasn't exists.

[00:08:25]>> Would we exist?

[00:08:27]>> I never said that we would exist if photosynthesis didn't exist.

[00:08:30]>> You said there's other models.

[00:08:31]>> No, I said that there's other kinds of life. For example, chemosynthesis or chemosynthetic organisms are organisms and these actually exist. We can just go look them. Yeah, they they actually exist. There are certain there are species of bacteria that are chemosynthetic.

[00:08:46]>> Oh, and chemosynthesis rather >> humans and trees and >> I'm not talking about humans. I'm just bacteria is life. It's a kind of life.

[00:08:54]>> Also, God's model is better.

[00:08:56]>> What?

[00:08:56]>> Gotcha.

[00:08:59]God's model is better by definition.

[00:09:00]>> Better in what way? What are you talking about? You made the claim I don't I don't know. Like, do you have like wax in your ears? You made the claim that life couldn't exist. Or rather, you asked me if life could exist without photosynthesis. And I said, "Yeah, technically there are other organisms that don't rely on sunlight in order to live. These are organisms called these are organisms that do chemosynthesis, for example."

[00:09:22]>> And then you some for some reason brought up humans like that. My claim wasn't that like, oh, humans could exist with chem like that wasn't my claim. I don't know why we're comparing like this is a crazy thing that you're doing >> observable nature. Right now you're desperately reaching for a minimal obscure equation to try.

[00:09:38]>> This isn't an equation. It's just a kind of bacteria. What >> that bacteria can it exist without oxygen or light?

[00:09:47]>> Uh it exists without light. I don't know if they exist without oxygen though. I can look that up.

[00:09:53]uh in anobic bacteria.

[00:10:00]Um the size of require oxygen. There we go.

[00:10:09][clears throat] Uh okay. So I guess it depends on the species. Um there are some that do use oxygen and others do not.

[00:10:18]>> Okay. What do they use as their driving force of existence? They use the chemicals that are available. That's what the chemo and chemosynthesis means.

[00:10:25]>> And are those biologically created?

[00:10:27]>> The chemicals? No, they're they come from like the middle of the earth. They come from hydrothermal vents.

[00:10:34]>> So they're created in biology.

[00:10:37]>> What? No. No.

[00:10:40]>> You said they came from the center of the earth. Do we have labs down there?

[00:10:44]>> Well, we do have some labs at the bottom of the ocean. And the lava that they thrive off of which is which contains the chemical >> biologically created when it was established.

[00:10:55]>> Yeah, they are >> evidence for that claim.

[00:10:59]>> Yeah, you can't name me a single source of >> what? [snorts] >> An institute or a scientist that created that themselves without the >> created that created chemicals that chemosynthetic organisms can feed off of.

[00:11:14]>> You want to [clears throat] bet?

[00:11:16]>> Okay. So, for example, some chemtic organisms, I [clears throat] mean, well, some some do use oxygen, some don't. Um, but for example, some the ones that don't, for example, feed off of methane. We can create methane.

[00:11:28]>> Oh, yeah. We do biologically.

[00:11:32]>> No, no. I mean, like we can produce methane in a lab.

[00:11:35]>> How do we do it?

[00:11:37]>> With chemistry. Did you not take chemistry in high school?

[00:11:40]>> You can synthesize chemicals.

[00:11:42]Do you think that you do you think that we can't synthesize chemicals?

[00:11:47]>> Synthesizing is basically duplicating what already exists.

[00:11:51]>> What are you?

[00:11:53]>> You're using god design.

[00:11:55]>> Oh my god.

[00:11:58]So it seems like you just keep jumping and moving the goalposts as much as you can because first you said that oh we can only do it biologically. You can't do it in a lab. And then I told you that yeah obviously we can create methane in a lab. This is like a really simple molecule that's really easy to make. And you're like, "Ah, but you're using God's design to do it." Like, >> has your brain at the library?

[00:12:18]>> Do they use already existing biological matter to recreate >> to to make methane? No. No.

[00:12:28]>> Bi it's methane is a very simple molecule. It has carbon hydrogen from nothing.

[00:12:35]>> When did I say that?

[00:12:38]>> Because to make something you have to have material.

[00:12:41]>> Yeah. So carbon, hydrogen, these are not biological matter. These are atoms.

[00:12:47]>> They're existent in biology.

[00:12:49]>> They are also existent in non-biology.

[00:12:52]They're just atoms.

[00:12:53]>> You're you're s like you're sitting here saying I have no IQ, but you're not tracking what I'm saying.

[00:12:58]>> I don't think you're tracking what you're saying.

[00:13:01]>> In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.

[00:13:06]All of those molecules, >> do we find them in earth materials?

[00:13:11]You mean the atoms? We find most atoms on Earth. Sure.

[00:13:15]>> Most atoms?

[00:13:16]>> Yeah. Not all.

[00:13:18]>> Name me an atom. A human being is created from nothingness.

[00:13:22]>> Why do you think that the options are it either was created from nothing or it was found on Earth? That's not a true dichotomy.

[00:13:31]>> Name me one. Adam, a human created.

[00:13:35]>> Humans synthesized um muscovium, for example. It's not found on Earth.

[00:13:41]Oh my gosh. And to synthesize, do they use already existent matter that would have been established in creation?

[00:13:48]>> Of course, they're using already existent matter. Sure.

[00:13:51]>> Thank you.

[00:13:53]They can't create nothing.

[00:13:54]>> You think that that's a win for you?

[00:13:55]Nobody. I never claimed that they made it from nothing.

[00:13:58]>> They're using what God created in existence.

[00:14:01]>> That's the claim. Why should I think that the god exists?

[00:14:05]because I have a theory that is better than yours.

[00:14:10]>> Okay. What uh what predictions does your theory make about the natural world that have come true?

[00:14:15]>> Uh the Euphrates is drying up pretty quick, >> but it's not dry.

[00:14:18]>> Israel is Israel.

[00:14:20]>> So, do you want to go one for one? We can go one for one if you want.

[00:14:22]>> Yeah, go ahead.

[00:14:23]>> Okay. So, you say the Euphrates is drying up. To be clear, it's not dry.

[00:14:26]But, um in 2015, we detected gravitational waves as uh as predicted by Albert Einstein in 1915. Okay, your turn.

[00:14:34]Oceanographers saying about 2040 to 2045 it'll dry out. Biologist too.

[00:14:38]>> Okay, that's cool. But it hasn't happened. So the prediction hasn't come true. Um but now it's your turn. It's your turn to come up with another prediction.

[00:14:45]>> Israel will be a byproduct.

[00:14:47]>> Wait, will be? So it hasn't happened.

[00:14:48]>> By by word. Sorry, by word.

[00:14:50]>> So it hasn't happened yet. The the predictions they have to have come true, right? You can't just say that they will happen.

[00:14:57]>> What does the prefix by mean?

[00:15:00]>> It's I I have no idea. It's used to like indicate like when something is official multiple.

[00:15:06]>> So if it's a by word, Israel isn't just full of Israel.

[00:15:10]>> What are you talking about?

[00:15:11]>> Look in the temple. They have an Islamic mosque.

[00:15:13]>> What's the prediction that the world or that your that your model made?

[00:15:19]>> Oh, what you're doing.

[00:15:20]>> What?

[00:15:21]>> I can't remember what Bible verse it is, but they will be lovers of themselves, seekers of their own word, their own truth. They will be vain, narcissistic, filled with anger, hatred.

[00:15:32]>> Okay. Well, not love.

[00:15:34]>> That's your one. That there will be atheists who are vain and narcissistic.

[00:15:37]Okay, cool. Uh, not a very specific prediction, but fine. Maybe that counts.

[00:15:40]In uh 1974, I believe it was 1974, Peter Higgs and four other physicists predicted the existence of the Higs boson. This was detected in 2012. Your turn.

[00:15:53]If a scientist says something is fact when the word theory is not fact in nature to defend their stance, is that narcissism?

[00:16:03]>> It sort of sounds like you're running away from the prediction game.

[00:16:06]>> No, you said my turn.

[00:16:07]>> Yeah, it's your turn to it's your turn to Well, no. It's your turn to provide a prediction, right?

[00:16:12]>> Your entire institution is narcissistic in nature.

[00:16:15]>> Provide another prediction that the Bible made that came true.

[00:16:18]>> I literally just did. Your turn. Sorry, that was the same one that you just mentioned.

[00:16:23]>> Yeah, I legitimize it.

[00:16:25]>> Yeah, we're we're doing different predictions each time. We're going one to one. So, I've given you two predictions. You've given me two predictions. Now, it's your turn to give me a third prediction, and then I'll give you a third prediction.

[00:16:34]>> In the end, there will be rumors of war, famine. [clears throat] >> Okay. So, >> the last 5 years.

[00:16:41]>> Sorry. How's that come true?

[00:16:43]>> Have we seen any of the wars going on?

[00:16:44]You know, Israel, Palestine, Israel.

[00:16:46]>> In order for it to have come true, you have to have you have to verify that this is the end. But I don't know how you would verify that if it if it hasn't ended yet.

[00:16:54]>> It's coming to the end.

[00:16:57]>> Sorry. One more time.

[00:16:59]>> It's coming to the end.

[00:17:01]>> Well, okay. But then it then the prediction hasn't been satisfied. You have to give me a prediction that's come true, not that just not just that you think will come true.

[00:17:08]>> Okay. Give me one of your theories to become fact and we'll we'll be on the same level.

[00:17:11]>> Sorry. One more time. That was >> Give me one of your theories that are factual now.

[00:17:15]>> I already gave you two. It's your turn now.

[00:17:17]>> Oh, no. Theory isn't facts. I never Hold on. I'm sorry. We weren't talking about when a theory becomes fact. We were talking about predictions made by models or predictions made by theories.

[00:17:26]>> Intellectual elitist over somebody who believes the same thing as you by definition.

[00:17:30]>> What are you talking about?

[00:17:31]>> Something that hasn't been proven.

[00:17:33]>> So look, we're going we're going bar for bar, prediction for prediction. I've given you two predictions. It's your turn to give me a prediction.

[00:17:40]>> Do you have another?

[00:17:40]>> What predictions? What what predictions have you given me?

[00:17:43]>> Were you not paying attention?

[00:17:45]>> Give me another one. Wait, so do you So you said that the Euphrates River is drying up, which hasn't happened yet, but it's drying up fine. And you also said that there will be narcissistic narcissistic and self self-loving a atheists, right? Those were your two predictions. Do you not remember the two predictions I gave you?

[00:18:01]>> No. What were they, >> man? Were you even paying attention?

[00:18:05]>> I was. I want to hear you say again.

[00:18:07]>> Yeah. So in 1915, Albert Einstein's general relativity predicted the existence of gravitational waves, which were discovered in 2015. In 1974, Peter Higs and four [clears throat] other physicists whose names I'm not remembering uh made the prediction of the Higs bzon which was detected in 2012. So those are two different predictions that were uh that were verified after the fact of the after the theory was proposed. So it's your turn.

[00:18:30]>> Okay. So why do those still sit in theoretical status if that was proven to be fact?

[00:18:34]>> I'm sorry. It seems like you're running away from the uh goal here. The goal is for you to provide another prediction.

[00:18:39]>> You're trying you're trying to sugarcoat a theory again.

[00:18:41]>> I'm not trying to sugarcoat anything.

[00:18:42]We're talking about theories that make predictions. My theories make better predictions than yours do.

[00:18:46]>> Well, [clears throat] here I'll I'll make an observable fact comparative to your theory.

[00:18:49]>> Sorry, make it. Sorry. Give me another prediction that your god theory >> something has more weight than another.

[00:18:54]Does it fall?

[00:18:56]>> I don't even know what that question means. I'm sorry. I'm not going to let you pivot away from the game that we were playing. Do you have another prediction that came true or no?

[00:19:04]>> You have another prediction that came true or are you just going to run away from it?

[00:19:08]>> No, you're proposing theory to be facts.

[00:19:11]I didn't I didn't say that anywhere.

[00:19:13]We're both talking about theories, right? I have my theories. You have your theories. You said that your theories make good predictions. So, I'm just asking you >> the extra predictions and it wouldn't be theory anymore.

[00:19:22]>> No, that's not how theories work.

[00:19:23]Theories are theories are just a class of scientific model. No. Um, so look, like theories don't become theories don't become facts. It's just not how science functions. But look, your theory, do you have any more predictions or do you only have the two? Because I can offer you more. in 19 in the 1920s, it was either the 1920s or the 1930s, Albert Einstein predicted lasers. Lasers were then invented in 1956. Um, in uh again, and you know, I I do relativity, so that's why I know a lot about about Einstein in the No, he didn't invent them. He predicted their existence. He he predict >> That's funny because in my Bible it talks about the refraction of light elements through water and different >> those aren't lasers, but cool story.

[00:20:00]Rainbow. Another one is that the uh the existence of black holes were predicted in 1916 by Schwarzfield and then later by Oppenheimer and Snder and these were proven to exist in the 80s through the 2020 or through early 2020s. Uh you know we got more and more evidence for these until we finally imag them for the first time in 2019. So that's another prediction that came true. Um the uh Einstein's theory of general relativity predicted the existence of things called Einstein rings which are distorted light around certain kinds of uh certain large galactic clusters. Um, we detected those in I want to say the 60s. It was actually quite quite quickly. Uh, so that's another prediction that came true. Should I keep going?

[00:20:37]>> No, there's still theoretical status. So you keep doing what I told you you were going to do. You're going to be narcissistic.

[00:20:40]>> Oh, so you don't understand what a theory is. Okay, that's fine.

[00:20:43]>> Oh, yeah. It's not facts. I understand what agorant.

[00:20:47]>> Can you define for me what a theory is, please?

[00:20:49]>> Uh, something in a hypothesis idea idea creation of that matter.

[00:20:55]>> Oh, no. That's that's not what a theory is. At least when scientists refer to the language, that's not what a theory is.

[00:20:59]>> Oh, what is it?

[00:21:01]>> It's a mathematical model uh that has a physical interpretation.

[00:21:07]>> Okay. So, an interpretation is fact and definition, right?

[00:21:11]>> What interpretation is and definition?

[00:21:16]>> Is it likeable >> or is it subject to interpretation?

[00:21:22]>> You test you test these things. The good ones you keep, the bad ones you throw away.

[00:21:27]>> Yeah, it's not a fact. I got you.

[00:21:30]>> This is a category error and it's really embarrassing for you.

[00:21:33]>> No, it's really not. I'll give you a comparative analysis.

[00:21:35]>> Do you So, so do you think that uh do you think that germs cause disease?

[00:21:39]>> Do I think that germs cause disease? I haven't physically seen a germ cause disease. People told me they have.

[00:21:45]>> Is it a fact that germs cause disease?

[00:21:47]>> Seeing is believing for me.

[00:21:48]>> So, it's not a fact that germs cause disease.

[00:21:52]>> It's a theory to me. I haven't independently researched it, but you're taking the works of others based on that religion.

[00:21:57]>> Do you think that Do you think that >> like my religion, >> the teachings of others to create power, dominance, and wealth and conformity?

[00:22:07]>> Sorry. Do you think so? Do you think Do you think that gravity is real?

[00:22:12]>> Do I think gravity is real? I think it's proven that anything denser than the materials in falls.

[00:22:17]>> Okay, that wasn't that doesn't answer my question. Do you think that gravity is real?

[00:22:21]>> Do I think gravity's real? Do I think a word in a theory is real? I'm going to go with no.

[00:22:25]>> Okay. Do you think that cells are the basis for life?

[00:22:29]>> Cells are the basis for life? No. Cuz God is the basis for life because those cells were mentioned to being in creation.

[00:22:36]>> When I say basis, I don't mean like the cause. I mean the fundamental unit of >> the fundamental unit. You're moving the goalpost, dude.

[00:22:45]>> No, I'm just telling you what I mean.

[00:22:47]>> God is the fun fundamental unit. So you know God is what makes up cells in your view.

[00:22:56]>> Everything that cells cells are composed of tiny little gods.

[00:23:00]>> They became of God. They're self-sustaining.

[00:23:03]>> So cells are cells are made of God.

[00:23:05]That's what you're telling me.

[00:23:05][clears throat] >> It's kind of like my book says God doesn't.

[00:23:08]>> Do you know what a fundamental unit is?

[00:23:10]>> Wait, hold on. I was explaining something.

[00:23:12]>> Okay. Yeah, I'm sure. Go ahead. It's kind of like my book says that everything was created was created of God because only God and darkness exist in the beginning. Okay.

[00:23:21]>> Mhm.

[00:23:23]>> Why is it you can't recreate matter? Why is it you can't completely destroy it without going into another form just like his son?

[00:23:32]>> Okay. So, are you going to address what I said now?

[00:23:35]>> Oh, you weren't listening.

[00:23:37]>> No, because you weren't talking about what I asked.

[00:23:40]No, I asked you if I asked you if you know what a fundamental unit is.

[00:23:45]>> Oh, no. Go ahead. Explain to me.

[00:23:46]>> Yeah. So, a fundamental unit is just the smallest block that makes up something while still having those things properties. So, we could say that uh we could say that the fundamental units of matter would be firmians, say electrons, protons and neutrons. We could say that the fundamental unit of life would be the cell because if you have any if anything is smaller than the cell, it's not alive, right? You can't have a living organism without cells. So the you know, you and I are made of cells, but the stuff that the cells are made of aren't alive. So the fundamental unit of life is the cell. Does that make sense?

[00:24:22]>> Kind of like Yeah. It's kind of like I didn't have to read 5,000 page books to understand that cuz I understand simple verbiage. Fundamental being a being of necessity for the verbiage that follows.

[00:24:30]Oh, fundamental doesn't mean necessity.

[00:24:33]>> Oh, no it does.

[00:24:35]>> You want to bet?

[00:24:41]>> If the foundation doesn't exist, does anything above it exists? No.

[00:24:45]>> Do you know what the word necessary means?

[00:24:47]>> Dude, are you moving the goalpost?

[00:24:50]>> Well, no. I mean, like you're you just don't know what the word means. Here's the definition.

[00:24:54]>> I actually went to college for creative writing and journalism. might know what simileies are >> that uh so fundamental serving as a basis supporting existence or determining essential structure or function.

[00:25:03]>> Yeah. So if the basis wasn't there like I said the following wouldn't matter.

[00:25:07]See I did it I did it with less effort and I didn't need >> So do we agree that cells are the fundamental unit of life?

[00:25:16]>> Oh yeah they are.

[00:25:17]>> Okay. Do you understand that that's a theory?

[00:25:22]>> That it's a theory?

[00:25:24]>> Mhm. My Bible says it's a fact.

[00:25:26]Everything created came from God and those fundamental structures destroyed >> or what? Created by man.

[00:25:37]>> The fact that cells are the fundamental unit of life is a theory. It's called cell theory.

[00:25:44]>> The cell theory is a scientific theory.

[00:25:47]>> Yeah. And it [clears throat] tells you about a fact that cells are the fundamental unit of life. So it seems like facts can or theories can be facts actually.

[00:25:56]>> No, they can't. Only stupid people believe that believe that.

[00:25:58]>> So you think that cell theory is not a fact.

[00:26:02]>> What is the difference between a scientific theory and a regular theory?

[00:26:05]>> A regular theory is a shower thought that people like you have when they get high and then they go stand in the shower for 45 minutes. A scientific theory is a wellsupported model that has a mathematical basis and interpretation and is supported by the data.

[00:26:16]>> Okay. So, if I'm walking in my yard, right, and I step on a piece of like [ __ ] >> but I say it's a piece of white dog [ __ ] Does that make it any less [ __ ] >> Do you hear yourself? Do you think that that addresses anything I just said?

[00:26:32][laughter] >> Do you think that how simple words work, dude?

[00:26:38]>> I wouldn't even get started in microbiology and that stuff.

[00:26:41]>> So, to be clear, you do agree that cells are the fundamental units of life.

[00:26:47]But you don't think it's a fact >> that cells are the fundamental units of life.

[00:26:52]>> My book says it. The creator of the universe, the only >> So you think that cells are the fundamental unit of life? Great. I'm glad we agree.

[00:26:59]>> And you understand that the cell theory is the theory that cells are the fundamental unit of life. And so if you think it's a fact that cells are the fundamental unit of life, and it's also a theory that cells are the fundamental unit of life, then it seems like theories can be facts.

[00:27:15]No, cuz I didn't say I said I believe what's in the book.

[00:27:19]>> It doesn't say anything about a cell.

[00:27:22]>> So then why did you say that you believe that cells are the fundamental units of life?

[00:27:26]>> No, I said all matter came from God.

[00:27:29]>> Oh, do you want do you want me to replay the uh do you want me to replay the live? Cuz I can do that for you.

[00:27:33]>> I may have missed it, but I said all matter. That's why I said it couldn't be created or destroyed.

[00:27:37]>> We will replay.

[00:27:38]>> So you think that cell theory is not a fact?

[00:27:41]>> Hold on. We'll rewind a little bit.

[00:27:42]>> What is it?

[00:27:46]that cells are the >> or >> do you understand that that's a theory?

[00:27:49]Okay, >> that it's a theory.

[00:27:54]>> Mhm.

[00:27:54]>> My Bible says it's a fact.

[00:27:56]>> Everything created came from God. It's a lot of fun.

[00:28:00]>> I did I did it with less effort >> and I didn't need AI.

[00:28:03]>> So, do we agree that cells are the fundamental unit of life?

[00:28:08]>> Oh, yeah. They are.

[00:28:09]>> Okay. So, do you agree that cells are the fundamental units of life? didn't matter.

[00:28:17]>> So you did agree that cells are the fundamental units of life >> because my book the truth tells me so because that mean so you think matter which way you think it's a fact can't destroy or create.

[00:28:27]>> So do you think that it's a fact that cells are the fundamental units of life?

[00:28:32]>> Oh my book says so. So yeah I was included in the matter.

[00:28:35]>> Okay. So it's a fact that cells are the fundamental unit of life. But did you know that it's also a theory? It's called the cell theory.

[00:28:41]You know what's funny is a Christian after how many hundreds of years of research just proved your fact for you.

[00:28:49]>> Cool.

[00:28:49]>> So you just agreed that the cell theory is a fact.

[00:28:52]>> No, it's still a theory.

[00:28:55]>> Ah, but you said it was a fact just not not 10 seconds ago.

[00:28:59]>> I was actually saying a lot of stuff just to like get you to stop talking because you kept moving the goalpost.

[00:29:03]>> Sure.

[00:29:03]>> I've been very very focused on this for a long time now. It seems like that you don't understand what just happened. How you just got cornered and then obliterated. But you did just agree that a theory is a fact.

[00:29:12]>> Oh no. It's like we're not going to avoid the fact that what I said is a white piece of dog [ __ ] less of dog [ __ ] And you didn't answer.

[00:29:19]>> Yeah, because you were pivoting. You were trying to avoid the conversation that indeed theory can be a fact.

[00:29:23]>> You pivoted to this out of desperation.

[00:29:25]>> I was talking about this before you brought up your dog [ __ ] argument.

[00:29:28]>> Oh no.

[00:29:29]>> By the way, double antandra intended >> about what?

[00:29:35]>> We'll let the comments laugh at that.

[00:29:36]Um, yeah. So, okay. So, we've established that theories can be facts.

[00:29:39]The moment you realize all your theories were in majority created by god-fearing Christians, man, your life's going to be blown up.

[00:29:46]>> Were they?

[00:29:48]>> You sure about that?

[00:29:49]>> Charles Darwin believed in a theist theologic matter, a creator.

[00:29:53]>> Charles Darwin didn't believe in God.

[00:29:54]>> Studying to be a Christian missionary before his father >> and then and and when he died, he didn't believe in God.

[00:29:59]>> Albert Einstein was not Christian in any sense of the word.

[00:30:02]>> And multiple autobiographies state that, you know, Darwin professed Christ before he died. No, actually it's funny that you say that because there is one >> creator of the big >> Hold on. Wait a minute. I'm sorry. Did you say that there are multiple autobiographies?

[00:30:16]>> Biographies. Autobiographies. Either way, >> not the same thing. So, there is one account from one person to move for words.

[00:30:22]>> There is one account from one person who didn't really know Darwin who makes the claim that he confessed that he confessed to Jesus or whatever on his deathbed, but that person wasn't his family member. His family members were there with him on his deathbed and they have disagreed with the claim of this person. So no, it's not the truth that that Darwin was a Christian all of a sudden right before he died. Also, Albert Einstein was in no sense the word a Christian about whose information you select. All subjective.

[00:30:45]>> I'm you know, I don't know about you, but if I'm going to believe anybody about the last words of person, I'm going to believe their family who was there and not the words of some random neighbor who wasn't there.

[00:30:56]>> Well, what's funny was, didn't they say that they spoke it before he died?

[00:31:01]>> That's what this one woman said. That's been debunked a h 100 times to Sunday.

[00:31:06]>> Was Was Darwin's family like you or like me?

[00:31:11]>> I I don't know off hand, but Darwin's family rejected that he confessed towards Jesus >> like you.

[00:31:16]>> I actually don't think that's true.

[00:31:17]>> I know that because I've looked up the truth.

[00:31:19]>> Was Darwin's family Christian? Let's find out.

[00:31:23][clears throat] >> Darwin Charles Darwin's family was deeply tied to Christianity, though with highly progressive and nontraditional views. His parents and extended family were largely unitarian emphasizing reason over strict dogma. His devout wife Emma Wedgwood was a strong traditional Christian who actively debated these concepts with him. So yeah, even his wife was a really devout Christian. So no, his family was >> the [ __ ] did you just overlook intentionally after reading that? Read that again.

[00:31:49]>> Emma Wedgewood was a strong traditional Christian who actively debated these concepts with him.

[00:31:56]>> Which family members said that he didn't >> his wife? Uh, I think it was his children, but we can go look up the the uh the children of >> Did his wife say that they lied?

[00:32:05]>> Let's go. Do you want me to pull up the the historical text that we have access to?

[00:32:10]>> Cuz I don't know this off the top of my head. I learned about this, you know, a few years ago and so I'm pulling it out of the recesses of my memory. Um, so one sec.

[00:32:24]Okay.

[00:32:27]So, how do you feel about AA overview? I mean, it has sources, but how do you feel about me reading AIA Overview? I can or I don't.

[00:32:34]>> As long as the source isn't like Reuters or Wikipedia, I'm fine, dude.

[00:32:37]>> Okay. Uh, how about the Saber and Scroll Journal, History Extra?

[00:32:41]>> Yeah, World Journal is fine.

[00:32:43]>> Okay. Uh, so the claim that Charles Darwin converted to Christianity and renounced evolution on his deathbed is false. This popular urban legend has been completely debunked by historians, biographers, and Darwin's own family who were by his side when he died. The myth originated in 1915 from an article in the Watchman Examiner featuring a story by an evangelical speaker named Lady Hope. She claimed she visited Darwin short shortly before his death in 1882 and that he expressed regret over his theory and wished to teach people about Christ. Historians in Darwin's family have thoroughly discredited this account based on the following facts. First, family denial. Darwin's children, particularly his daughter Henrietta, who nursed him during his final illness, completely denied Lady Hope's account.

[00:33:20]They confirmed she was not present at his deathbed and had no influence on him. Two, no renunciation. In his writings and later life correspondents, Darwin maintained an agnostic worldview.

[00:33:29]He never recounted [clears throat] his evolutionary theories. Three, factual errors in the story. Lady Hope claimed the interview took place in Darwin's summer house, which was far too small to hold the gathering she described.

[00:33:38]Additionally, Darwin was never bedridden for the months she claimed. So, not only was she not there, she lied about where it was.

[00:33:47]>> Literally, you said it was too small to hold all the people and never said that he wasn't there. Unless I missed it.

[00:33:52]>> No. No. Um, Lady Hope wasn't there during the months that she claimed that she was.

[00:33:58]>> And you said it was too small to hold all the people.

[00:34:01]>> So, Lady Hope, Lady Hope claimed that there was a large gathering that took place at this conversion, this confession of his.

[00:34:08]>> Yeah.

[00:34:09]>> But the place where he was was too small to hold such a large gathering apparently. And by the way, this the the source for this claim comes from creation.com.

[00:34:18]>> Creation.com disagrees with you.

[00:34:21]>> Yeah. Who's creation.com?

[00:34:23]>> A Christian website.

[00:34:26]>> You know it's Christian?

[00:34:27]>> Yeah. They're called Creation Ministries International.

[00:34:31]>> Okay. Look up and see Creation Ministries International.

[00:34:35]>> Yeah. Okay. So, for for over 46 years, Creation Ministries International has supported the worldwide church in proclaiming the truth of the Bible and the gospel. We provide real world answers to the most asked questions on the vital topics of origin where the Bible is most under attack today.

[00:34:48]Genesis.

[00:34:49]>> What we believe. Our vision to see the Lord Jesus Christ honored his creator and they're they're obviously Christian.

[00:34:54]Don't be dumb.

[00:34:58]>> Catholics are Christian.

[00:35:01]>> What are you talking? Well, a yes they are. B this is not a Catholic organization.

[00:35:06]>> Catholics are not Christians. Dude, >> obviously they are. They are the first Christians.

[00:35:10]>> Uh no, the apostles were the Romans later stole it when they paid.

[00:35:15]>> Catholicism was the first Christian denomination if you want to call it a denomination.

[00:35:20]And Jesus wasn't about institutions.

[00:35:24]>> Then why did he make what? Peter the first pope.

[00:35:28]>> Upon this rock I will build my church.

[00:35:30]The word for a church in Greek is eclelesia.

[00:35:33]>> Yeah.

[00:35:33]>> Elesia means a gathering of people.

[00:35:36]>> Mhm.

[00:35:38]>> Do you think an institution is a building or a group of people?

[00:35:43]>> Oh, they made an institution. The Catholics have >> What do you think a gathering of people is?

[00:35:49]Is that an institution?

[00:35:52]>> I call it a gathering.

[00:35:55]>> Do you think that in order to be an institution, it needs like a building?

[00:36:00]>> To be an institution, you don't include outsiders. That was the whole purpose of it.

[00:36:06]That's That's not true. That's not what an institution is.

[00:36:09]>> Really?

[00:36:10]>> Yeah.

[00:36:12]>> They welcomed everybody.

[00:36:15]>> That it doesn't make it not an institution. Are you like are you just trying to like dodge duck dip dive and dodge to like get out of the fact that even your own Christian brethren disagree with you about Darwin converting on his deathbed?

[00:36:29]>> Uh they're not my brethren, dude.

[00:36:32]>> They believe in that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior.

[00:36:35]>> They also baptize children, which is never taught in the Bible. They also pray.

[00:36:39]>> You don't even know who they are.

[00:36:40]>> Blasphemy. No, I have buddies that are Catholic.

[00:36:43]>> Nowhere on this website does it say that they're Catholic.

[00:36:46]Uh, world view.

[00:36:49]>> Okay, let's go to world view.

[00:36:50]>> Catholicism is the biggest global spread of Christianity.

[00:36:53]>> What world view? Where does it say world view on their website?

[00:36:56]>> Uh, when you read the actual synopsis, it said something about worldwide.

[00:37:01]>> Do you do you think that you're not supposed to spread the gospel worldwide?

[00:37:04]>> No, you are. God used that Satan.

[00:37:08]>> For over 46 years, Creation Ministries International has supported the worldwide church in proclaiming the truth of the Bible and the gospel. So, you think that that means that they're Catholic? because they're not Catholic.

[00:37:17]You're just honestly you're coping.

[00:37:18]>> What does the world coping?

[00:37:21]>> Whatever church that it's it's Creation Ministries International. That's the name of their church.

[00:37:25]>> I'm coping because I'm calling out people.

[00:37:28]>> There's no to be clear. There's no evidence that this that this is a Catholic organization. So, you're just like coping at this point.

[00:37:34]>> Well, type it in.

[00:37:38]>> I'm actually curious if they say anything about the Pope on their website.

[00:37:45]>> [clears throat] >> So, they have an article called a review of popes and unicorns.

[00:37:51]Uh, they have an article written by a guy named Cody Pope, a guy named Shane Pope.

[00:37:59]They don't they don't appeal to popes at all.

[00:38:03]They don't have any articles about the pope, about any popes.

[00:38:06]>> Oh my gosh.

[00:38:08]>> So, no, they're not Catholic, my guy.

[00:38:09]Stop coping.

[00:38:11]>> Stop coping.

[00:38:12]>> Yeah. You never provided one positive piece of information to back your claim that they're not >> You never provided one positive piece of information to back the claim that they're Catholic.

[00:38:21]>> I asked you to look.

[00:38:23]>> I looked. They They don't say any They don't say anywhere that they're Catholic. They don't say anywhere that the anything about the Pope. What else do you want me to How else would I figure out that they're not Catholic?

[00:38:35]>> Type in the name of the institution. Are they Catholic?

[00:38:38]>> Okay, let's find out.

[00:38:40]>> I don't know if they are or they aren't.

[00:38:42]Well, you shouldn't have said you shouldn't have been so certain that they are then just two minutes ago.

[00:38:46]>> When I heard global, that's the only inst that's the only institution of religion that is global.

[00:38:55]>> Creation Ministries International is an evangelical Protestant organization that promotes young earth creationism.

[00:39:00]They're not Catholic.

[00:39:01]>> There you go. Okay.

[00:39:03]>> And so even your brethren disagree with you about Darwin converting on his deathbed.

[00:39:08]>> Okay. One person made a positive claim and nobody provided any substantial evidence to disclaim it.

[00:39:13]>> No, in fact, we in fact we saw exactly what the substantial evidence was that dis that disproved the claim by Lady Hope.

[00:39:19]>> People said >> the family the family that was there.

[00:39:25]>> How long was Darwin on his deathbed?

[00:39:27]>> Uh well, depends on what you count the deathbed. I mean, he was ill for a long time, but you know, is the death bed the day before he dies? Like what when does it count?

[00:39:35]>> Like when did hospice exist then? No.

[00:39:39]>> Okay. So, when the family would leave, >> his family was with him >> 24/7 >> likely. Yeah. Like his wife, like his children, they would be staying at his house >> to make a positive claim on that.

[00:39:56]>> So, why do you believe the random claim of Lady Hope rather than the claims of the family members?

[00:40:02]>> Because Charles Darwin was studying to be a Christian missionary abroad before his father died. He went on an expedition and then he lived another 50 years.

[00:40:11]>> Views can change over 50 years.

[00:40:13]>> Agnostic, not atheist.

[00:40:15]>> I never made the claim that he was atheist. You made the claim that he was Christian.

[00:40:21]>> You said that there were many autobiographies that said he converted on his deathbed. Now, one there are no autobiographies that say that. Two, there is exactly one story written by a woman named Lady Hope who didn't know him personally like in his earlier life.

[00:40:35]And so like this is there. It's not even a biography. It's a story reported in a newspaper >> that was debunked by his family members.

[00:40:44]>> What would be the point?

[00:40:45]>> And historians, >> why would they go interview that person?

[00:40:48]>> No, she she published the story to them, right?

[00:40:51]>> Okay. And when people are dying, >> she was an evangelical speaker. That's why she wanted to do this.

[00:40:58]>> When people are dying, >> do priests and other people go visit them?

[00:41:03]>> She wasn't a priest.

[00:41:06]She's an evangelical.

[00:41:07]>> An evangelical speaker. Evangelical is her religious affiliation. Speaker is her occupation.

[00:41:15]>> So if somebody's dying, >> would they not go visit?

[00:41:20]>> Apparently not in this case >> of that community. Cuz every person, every family I know, >> so literally historians, biographers, and Darwin's own family all disagree with you. I don't know why you're dying on this hill.

[00:41:31]>> Uh because they weren't there 24/7.

[00:41:34]Prove it.

[00:41:37]>> Well, you're saying that they weren't they were always there. Prove it.

[00:41:40]>> It's reasonable to think that his wife would have been there the whole time.

[00:41:43]>> It's reasonable.

[00:41:44]>> Who lives with the the person who lives with him would have been in the same house as him?

[00:41:48]>> Yeah. That's that's what it means to, you know, live with somebody >> to go shopping to get stuff. Get >> quite wealthy. Do you think that in the late 1800s they went to the grocery store?

[00:42:00]Darwin was a very independent >> when he was on his deathbed >> even all through life.

[00:42:07]>> I don't think you know anything about Darwin.

[00:42:09]>> He was studying to be a missionary.

[00:42:11]Dude, >> it sounds like that's the only thing you know about Darwin. Why is it that even your own even your own Christian brethren are telling you that you're wrong and you're rejecting that?

[00:42:20]>> It seems like you heard this from one preacher, from one pastor, and you're just like shutting your brain to all external information after that.

[00:42:26]>> Because I call out my own brethren, too.

[00:42:30]that are quote unquote, my brother.

[00:42:31]>> Do you know Answers in Genesis?

[00:42:34]>> Do I know what?

[00:42:34]>> Answers in Genesis. Are you familiar with that organization?

[00:42:38]>> No.

[00:42:39]>> They're a creationist organization. They also say that yeah, Darwin also didn't convert on his deathbed.

[00:42:46]>> It's kind of like somebody post something online and people run with >> makes that claim. The Institute for Creation Research makes that claim.

[00:42:54]Everybody, even Christians, even devout evangelical Christians, agree. Gosh, it's kind of Darwin didn't want you to jab five times and the media ran with it.

[00:43:06]>> You are uh incapable of [snorts] evaluating data, aren't you?

[00:43:10]>> No, it's called a comparative analysis.

[00:43:12]I freaking >> Okay. So, what data do you have to prove that Lady Hope's claims are true?

[00:43:16]>> Well, >> what's the evidence?

[00:43:17]>> There's people that disclaim it. There's people that don't. So, we'll leave.

[00:43:20]>> No, there's exactly one person who claims that it's true. Lady Hope. Okay.

[00:43:23]And his other people that are claiming it's not.

[00:43:26]>> Yeah. His family members.

[00:43:29]>> Okay. All the family members were there when she didn't visit.

[00:43:34]>> How do you know that she visited?

[00:43:36]>> That's the point.

[00:43:37]>> Wait. So, what's what's your evidence that she visited at all?

[00:43:39]>> She made a positive claim. You can't just prove a positive claim with no evidence.

[00:43:43]>> Wait, no. You know, if you're going to make a positive claim, you have to provide evidence that it happened.

[00:43:47]>> She said it did.

[00:43:48]>> Okay. Why should we believe her?

[00:43:51]>> Why should we believe her? Why should we believe them?

[00:43:54]>> She's the one making the positive claim.

[00:43:55]So, she has to provide the evidence. Or if you're going to defend the positive claim, you have to provide the evidence.

[00:44:00]>> Did she recant it publicly?

[00:44:02]>> No, that's not evidence. That's not evidence.

[00:44:05]>> Scrutiny of being called a liar publicly.

[00:44:09]>> Well, I don't know. I don't know when she was called a liar.

[00:44:11]>> Evangelical minister.

[00:44:13]>> Yeah.

[00:44:13]>> And she stood on what she said.

[00:44:15]>> Sure.

[00:44:18]So did uh so did Darwin's family, by the way. So that evidence works both ways.

[00:44:24]>> Yeah. But one is biased in nature. One isn't.

[00:44:27]>> Darwin's family is biased in nature, not the evangelical speaker.

[00:44:31]>> No. In the fact that >> interested in debunking evolution.

[00:44:36]>> Dude, evolution is one of the dumbest theories on the planet.

[00:44:41]>> Makes sense considering that you haven't evolved beyond the knuckle dragon status. But you know, you know, we can get past that.

[00:44:47]>> Okay. Scientific theory is fact, dumbass. I mean, you agreed that the cell theory is a fact.

[00:44:53]>> It's just weird that you're sing for a woman that you didn't even know the name of. Well, >> it's weird you're singing for a bunch of Christian family members. Look how desperate you are.

[00:45:00]>> I don't discount people's beliefs solely or people's claims solely based off of their belief.

[00:45:06]>> You want to be fact. I'm concerned.

[00:45:08]>> No, I look towards the evidence.

[00:45:10]>> No, you discredit Christian evidence.

[00:45:13]>> This isn't Christian evidence. Even Christians don't think it's evidence.

[00:45:18]Like you literally >> even Christians don't think it's evidence. It's not Christian evidence.

[00:45:23]>> This is a conspiracy theory. It's a hoax. In fact, [clears throat] >> is it in the middle >> is what in the middle >> that neither yay or nay visited?

[00:45:36]>> No. Historians, biographers, and the family members have fully discredited this idea.

[00:45:42]Oh, >> okay. So, once again, you're going based off faith in Christians. Gotcha. Well, I don't care. I don't care who's making the uh the good evidentiary claims. If the evidence is good, the evidence is good. I don't care who makes it.

[00:45:53]>> Oh, but the book isn't good. The ways I describe it isn't good.

[00:45:56]>> I mean, generally, no.

[00:45:58]>> No, it's not.

[00:46:02]It's not good in the sense that evidence is good. Certainly.

[00:46:06]>> Is the Earth being 500 million years old fact?

[00:46:09]>> No.

[00:46:13]>> So, how many years has it been proven?

[00:46:17]Sorry. How many years has what been proven? How long the earth has existed?

[00:46:20]>> Established civilization, human existence.

[00:46:23]>> Well, Earth has existed for roughly 4 and a half billion years.

[00:46:28]>> I mean, you made that as a positive claim.

[00:46:30]>> Yeah. And I can give you the evidence for it.

[00:46:33]>> Okay. Do it without a scientific model or a theory, though.

[00:46:36]>> So, you want me to give you evidence without science?

[00:46:38]>> See, that's the point. So, you want me to use not use the thing that provides evidence for empirical claims?

[00:46:45]>> Isn't that interesting? I'm being subjective about my choices against your institution when you just did the same.

[00:46:51]>> Science isn't isn't an institution. It's a method. It's a thought process.

[00:46:58]>> Oh my god.

[00:46:59]>> I understand you're confused though.

[00:47:02]>> Confused on what?

[00:47:04]>> What science is?

[00:47:08]It's an attempt at understanding God's creation when they never will.

[00:47:11]>> No, that's not what science is.

[00:47:13]>> Really?

[00:47:14]>> Yeah.

[00:47:16]>> Science is a way of thinking. It is a method of evaluating empirical data to either confirm or either to validate or reject hypothesis.

[00:47:26]>> And what are hypotheses?

[00:47:28]>> A hypothesis is a proposed solution or proposed explanation for some observable physical phenomenon.

[00:47:35]>> Okay. So an attempt at explaining not in fact fact.

[00:47:40]>> Well a hypothesis is not a fact >> and your guys' facts >> you test hypothesis in order to gain credence that those hypotheses are facts.

[00:47:52]>> So when you see hypothesis or theory being >> hypothesis and theory are not the same thing.

[00:48:00]>> English is your first language right?

[00:48:02]What the [ __ ] are you talking about?

[00:48:06]>> English is your first language?

[00:48:09]>> Theory and hypothesis are both ideological constructs.

[00:48:13]>> Is English your first language?

[00:48:15]>> Answer the question.

[00:48:16]>> I don't want to talk down to you if like this is your second language because like you know if it's your second language then I can understand that there might be miscommunication happening.

[00:48:22]>> I know. Move past the goalpost. Are they not ideological construct?

[00:48:26]>> No, they're obviously not >> hypothesis and theory. They're not ideological ideological constructs now.

[00:48:36]>> Oh my gosh. This is literally literally what supposedly sends rockets into space for billions of dollars.

[00:48:43]>> No, it's not literally what sends rockets into space for billions of dollars. This is a conversation. This is literally a conversation.

[00:48:49]>> I know >> it is analogous to what sends rockets into space perhaps, but not literally.

[00:48:58]>> Your proposing idea is fact.

[00:49:01]I you understand that ideas can be facts like they like there's an idea >> proven reputably.

[00:49:08]>> Yeah, exactly.

[00:49:10]>> Have you done that yet?

[00:49:12]>> Yeah.

[00:49:13]>> No.

[00:49:14]>> Yeah.

[00:49:17]There's a reason why uh evolution and gravity are taught in schools and your Iron Age uh stories are not.

[00:49:25]>> I believe I come from an allbeing, all knowing, all powerful mission.

[00:49:31]thing. [snorts] Okay.

[00:49:34]And you believe you come from a [ __ ] throwing monkey >> and you are my superior.

[00:49:40]>> Yeah, I am.

[00:49:42]>> No, you're not.

[00:49:44]>> I mean, like, intellectually, sure I am.

[00:49:46]>> Like morally, like morally or in terms of like the value of the human life, like no, we're we're equals.

[00:49:51]>> But intellectually I am. Yeah. And like usually I wouldn't say that, but at this point in the debate, I'm pretty certain that that's the case.

[00:49:57]>> No, you're not. The same way you believe a theory is fact, you definitely are not smarter than me.

[00:50:01]>> What shape do you think the Earth is?

[00:50:04]>> Let's see.

[00:50:06]Definitely not a sphere.

[00:50:08]>> Yep. Okay. I knew it. I knew that I was intellectually superior to you.

[00:50:11]>> Now watch this. Prove to me you can spin a basketball as fast as you can and get water to stick to it. Go.

[00:50:17]>> You mean spin it as fast as Earth is spinning?

[00:50:19]>> Go.

[00:50:21]>> I don't own a basketball. Do you want me to like go to the store and buy one for you for your demonstration?

[00:50:25]>> What happens when you go What happens when you go to the carnival and you get on that ride? that spins. You get thrown to the side.

[00:50:30]>> Spins at the same speed that the Earth spins.

[00:50:33]>> Oh, no. It would be even You'd be crushed against the side.

[00:50:36]>> How fast do you think the Earth spins?

[00:50:38]>> I don't know. What's your theoretical number?

[00:50:40]>> One rotation per day, dumbass.

[00:50:43]>> No. What's the miles per hour, dumbass?

[00:50:45]>> One rotation. Rotation speeds are not in miles per hour.

[00:50:49]>> Okay. What's revol revolution per day?

[00:50:51]What's RPD?

[00:50:52]>> One rotation per day. You can work it out. It's like 0694 RPM or something like that.

[00:51:00]>> What is the equivalent speed?

[00:51:02]>> There isn't one.

[00:51:04]>> Oh, so theoretically >> rotational rotational speeds are not equivalent to translational speeds.

[00:51:11]>> So I believe in a theory of rotational speed. I believe in a theory of how old the Earth is, a theory of gravity, a theory >> Cool. I I don't know why I don't know who you're talking about, but like I recognize that like gravity is a fact, that the earth being a sphere is a fact.

[00:51:29]That the earth being four and a half billion years is a fact. These are all facts.

[00:51:32]>> Like I can observe all these things in humanity >> and you disavow them and I'm things in humanity. Yeah. Yeah, you are.

[00:51:41]>> Okay.

[00:51:43]>> I'm glad we agree. Anything else weird thoughts?

[00:51:47]>> Oh, no. You can go ahead and kick me.

[00:51:48]You proved exactly what I wanted.

[00:51:50]>> Yeah, I'm sure I did. Have a good one.