Nicotine addiction is highly addictive and difficult to quit, with vaping actually being more addictive than traditional smoking due to higher nicotine concentration (50 times more), easier accessibility, and social acceptability; effective cessation requires gradual weaning using nicotine replacement therapy (patches and gum) over approximately 6 months, as cold turkey methods often fail and can lead to substituting one addiction for another.
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>> [music] >> God damn [laughter] it.
>> Is that too much?
Oof. Do we want to start over?
>> dark stuff, man.
>> All right, we're going to start over.
New episode.
I got to apologize for my behavior over the last couple of episodes of boyfriend material.
I Armando Torres have been attempting once again to quit vaping nicotine.
An impossible task it seems. Um >> [laughter] >> The last thing Armando said to me before I left your house last weekend before he went to go to bed was you know, it'd be really funny if we walked to the gas station right now and bought like a nicotine vape.
>> Wouldn't it be such a good bit right now? What if I got a geek bar?
>> What a good bit. It's the last thing you said to me before you went to bed.
>> Yeah, and the and and then an hour before that by the way, as I was trying to set up something with my computer, I got so mad I threw a Wacom tablet at a at a at a two Wacom tablets at a frame at a glass frame and shattered it. [laughter] I was breaking [ __ ] >> Yeah, getting getting little peek behind the curtain, getting last week's video set up for us three was it was one of those things I could feel the room temperature raised about 4° because Mondo was so furious at setting it up. And I like came down and be like, "Hey, how's it going, guys?"
And like there's like broken glass on the floor and I'm just like >> [laughter] >> Back away.
>> That's it. Look at the cartoon.
You can out of the room.
>> You can feel it. And I'm not trying to I'm I swear to God I'm not trying to go like, "Oh, yeah? Well, what about this?"
But, it you can feel tension in the air when somebody's mad. You felt it when you walked in and I was trying to set up video, and I felt it yesterday when I walked upstairs and the Spurs were about to lose the >> [laughter] >> finals.
>> See, okay.
>> to any of us.
>> Oh, yeah. You >> to me cuz both are happening simultaneously while I was there. Cuz what happened was originally I was upstairs and the Spurs were in the middle of losing. They won the match eventually. But, while I was up there, they were losing. So, I went downstairs cuz I was like, "Oh, Andrew has a heat radiating radiating off of Like, he wasn't verbally mad. I could just feel how the intensity of your muscles was shooting heat out in a way where I was like, "I'm going to go see what Armando's up to." I go downstairs.
Armando is the most furious I've ever seen him. [laughter] >> And I'm just like, "I'm just going to stay on the couch with Santa on the floor."
>> Yeah. I'm going to I'm going to get an Uber to just circle the block a few times.
>> And Sleepy's in the car like a baby.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah, if if Andrew And here's the thing, they're not comparable. If Andrew was upstairs creating a sauna with his anger, I was Freddy [ __ ] Krueger downstairs in a boiler.
>> [laughter] >> Oh, yeah. I should have stayed upstairs for sure.
>> Absolutely. And for I'm Look, I'm not going to bore everyone with the details of what we were dealing with video wise.
But, I feel like I could summarize it thusly.
I was trying to do a thing that I have done many times. Many many many many many times.
And for some reason, this time it stopped working. And I don't know why. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I don't know what what was going wrong. And add to that the fact that I'm hungry. I'm not I don't have any nicotine inside of me. I'm so [ __ ] mad.
>> Yeah. And also, you could And also, he kept going, "My partner's going to be upset with me.
>> Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> On top of it.
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I knew that we were all going to go out to eat after we recorded the episode and my and it was reaching a point where no matter we were reaching a point where at the start where the time we started it would be too late to take my partner out to eat.
>> Right. They would be going to bed.
>> Mhm. Yeah. By the time we started. You start you you the window closed. You could watch the window for that timing close.
>> Yeah. We had to go to a 24-hour diner to get our meal in. That was how late we ended up going.
>> Yeah. Mind you the frustration that you're describing is is is a very familiar I think a very familiar thing for people who do any kind of work in kind of like computers or technology or getting things to work because it is the layman's equivalent is like if you were to come home from work like you do every day >> Mhm.
>> and suddenly the keys to your house don't work.
>> And nothing happened during the day.
>> Nothing happened during the day. They were not your pocket. Keys been in your pocket. No one's changed the locks. No one's been home. But you show up, you try to turn the key, it don't work. And guess what else? You have to take a massive [ __ ] And also there's And also there's a baby inside.
>> [laughter] >> And and a week before this you quit nicotine FOR SOME REASON.
>> [laughter] >> SO IF YOU COULD JUST LIKE mentally put yourself there in that space and imagine the kind of incandescent rage that would be the the vibrating fury that would be coursing through your veins.
>> I I feel Mind you I was there.
>> I think I think I did a good job. I'm willing to I'm so far past it it's not going to offend me if you guys tell me I'm wrong here. But I feel like I did a pretty good job of any time I was any time I turned and engaged with the two of you going I'm not mad at you. I swear to god I'm not mad at you, but if you keep talking to me [laughter] I'm going to [ __ ] KILL YOU.
LIKE, I'M not mad at you. I swear to God, but if you say another [ __ ] word to me, I will be.
>> [laughter] >> Also, I guess this was happening.
Mondo's music went from his normal music to like angry.
It was like angry.
>> [laughter] >> It's rock music.
>> from like nowhere.
>> It switched from Bad Bunny to like THERE'S PEOPLE THAT DIED. DIED.
>> YEAH.
>> NO, LITERALLY.
I WAS LIKE no one touched your phone. No one touched your phone. No one changed the playlist. [snorts] The Spotify DJ who's Dominican and from black man from New York [laughter] for some reason didn't come on and say, "All right, y'all. I'm going to switch it up for a little bit.
You've been kind of vibing with the Puerto Rican Bad Bunny, but let's let's just do a different part of New York."
And then this went to thrash metal. No, it just did it by itself. It was random.
>> Oh, it was so great.
>> The also, and this is something I think everyone can relate to. It's always when you're that peaked, when you're that mad that I don't think we did this, but this is like this is just a a universal human experience. Uh very I'll equate it to like having lost something. Like you can't find your keys. Like you're already late for the movie. You can't find your keys, your wallet, something like that. You are becoming like you can hear the tea kettle >> Oh my god.
>> of your own rage. And someone comes upstairs and like, "Oh, oh you can't find your keys? Have you tried looking for it?"
>> [laughter] >> They said their advice boils down to like, "Oh, the thing's not connected.
Have you tried connecting it?" And you're like, "I'm going to beat you to death."
>> and I offered one to Armando and I thought he was going to punch through my chest cavity.
>> [laughter] >> I am going to light you on fire.
>> Yeah. I just >> Armando, what did you what did you get in the mail yesterday?
>> Shut the [ __ ] up. I got two cords, the exact cords that I was trying to I got two cords in the mail from from from [laughter] Griff, but I didn't order them, and so just two packages showed up on my doorstep with my name on it that I didn't order, and I was like, "I GOT TO CANCEL ALL MY CARDS." I DIDN'T [laughter] KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
Thank you.
>> didn't send you the [ __ ] gift note gift receipt notes that I wrote apparently cuz there's supposed to be a note that said, "Hey, these are for the Elgato camera. They require a [ __ ] of a specific kind of cord. Here's the one I used."
>> I truly appreciate it. I've [laughter] I'm [ __ ] I I want to break the Elgato camera. I'm using I'm using the Fujifilm now >> [laughter] >> because I just didn't want to Ooh, I didn't want to bother with this thing. I'm getting I'm getting really [ __ ] mad. You're so >> He's heating up. He's heating up.
>> You're so dead on that the it is the exact genre of anger as looking for your keys, and you're and you're on your way to a movie, and when you were going to leave, you were on time.
You were on time.
>> god, that's exactly what I was going to say.
>> Yeah, it's that it's that it is that exact anger because as I was progressing through this thing, it was like, "Okay, this is fine. This is frustrating, but it's fine." And then 20 minutes into looking for your keys, you don't give a [ __ ] anymore. You're like, "MAYBE THEY'RE IN THE WALL." AND then you start breaking down drywall.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> a [ __ ] I'm throwing [ __ ] I don't mean just now. I mean when I'm looking for the keys and I'm 20 minutes late now.
I'm throwing [ __ ] around my house. I'm overturning couch. I don't give a [ __ ] I will clean this house when I get back from the movie that I'm going to miss.
>> Yeah. [laughter] And then and right at that moment when you're like about to put your fist through a you're beautiful not yours, but all this all people.
That is when your beautiful loving wonderful partner comes into the room and goes, "Have you looked on the table?" And I want and you want to want them to burst into flames. Did [laughter] I look on the table?
Did I look on the I'll kill you. I'll kill you. When I find [laughter] I find these keys I'm guess I need to find these keys cuz I got to flee to Mexico because [laughter] I'm wanted for murder.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I can [laughter] I I to make matters worse, and this is what I actually wanted to apologize for. Here's how [ __ ] up my priorities are. I wasn't even going to apologize for yelling at you guys.
>> [laughter] >> It never even crossed my mind. The same way that that thanking Griff for the cords didn't even cross my mind. I accused them of hacking into my Amazon before I said, "Thank you for the cords." [laughter] Um so, thank you for the cords. I'm sorry for being mad at you, but the thing that I'm actually upset at myself for because I'm the one who had to edit the last episode of the podcast.
Since I've started not vaping, I have replaced vaping with getting high with smoking joints specifically.
>> Mhm.
>> And it's kind of like um it's kind of like going, "Oh, I should quit doing Zen. What if I put my head at the end of a chimney?" Like that's >> Yeah.
>> That's sort of what And so, like not only is it worse for my lungs, not only was I coughing a bunch and like clearing my throat more than I normally was, but also I had to listen to how [ __ ] stupid [snorts] I was while I was high because I needed to smoke to calm down.
I think it was good to not have me angry, but I'm sorry that you were left with a [ __ ] idiot to do the podcast >> No, shut up. I thought it was a good episode. Really fun, good episode. One of our best.
>> Yeah, it was a lot it was a lot of fun.
It was a ton of fun. But I understand that like I mean, god, [clears throat] to like have to listen to edit and listen to your own voice and just be like >> While you were while you were high.
>> While you were high. Oh my god. If I have to listen to like imagine someone played you like a voicemail you left them when you were drunk.
When you were sober AND YOU'RE LIKE >> [screaming] >> WHAT A WHAT A mortifying ordeal.
>> It's it truly is one of the worst experiences. So and for those of you by the way, for those of you that aren't Griffin and Andrew cuz they're my friends and they're lying to me cuz they want me to feel better.
But [laughter] for those of you that aren't there that were like I heard that episode. It was pretty good. I I want you to notice the parts in the episode where where it's like 30 minutes into the episode and I look down and I go well we're an hour into recording.
>> Yeah.
>> [laughter] >> All of that [ __ ] that got cut out is me just being a [ __ ] idiot. [laughter] >> You were and you're not missing anything. You don't want the you don't want anyway.
>> The cutting room floor is not some like, you know, diamond in the rough you know.
>> No, there was there was one bit I don't even know why it popped into my head but that we kept riffing on the um uh what's her name um saying oh I was I was Benny Safdie's muse for Uncut Gems. [laughter] >> Uncut Gems.
>> Gems. I don't know what came over me but I started doing that but I was like I was Bernie Burns' muse for Red vs. Blue Restoration. And I I did the bit for no [ __ ] 5 minutes and then I gave you a pause and I watched Andrew go OKAY. AND THEN >> [laughter] >> OH MY GOD. KILL MYSELF.
>> DEVASTATING. DEVASTATING. Just like So anyway, uh >> Yes. You didn't have to host an intervention for me. I saw you go anyway, and then I went, "OKAY, I [laughter] CAN'T ONLY sober podcast from Armando Torres in the future. And you know what? By the way, I have I I I [clears throat] have a new [snorts] method for quitting because cold turkey obviously isn't working. Um and the replacement with weed obviously wasn't working. So, uh now, look at that. I don't know if you can see it. I got a nicotine patch on.
>> He's patched up.
>> logo.
>> I'm Yeah.
Uh I'm nicotine patched up. 21 mg or whatever of nicotine that get that get coursed through my blood veins um throughout the day. Uh whenever I get a craving, I have uh nicotine gum. I have nicotine gum that I chew that I'm trying not to chew on the on the [ __ ] uh podcast right now.
>> Mhm.
>> Um It is so there Okay, I want to start off by saying if you're trying to quit vaping, if you're trying to quit smoking, if you're trying to quit nicotine, patches and gum are the most efficient way that I've ever found to quit these things. They are making it manageable. I am weaning myself off of it. After I run out of the 21 patches, which you can see here, by the way, it says step one on it. It's because they go down progressively. And >> Yeah.
>> in over the course of about 6 months, I will wean myself off of nicotine until I no longer need it within my system. And that will be the most efficient way to quit. And I can already feel it after about a week taking like I can feel it starting to have a better effect on me.
>> Take the edge off, you know, get it it it yeah.
>> Oh, I'm not [ __ ] mad anymore. That's a huge thing. I'm not angry all the time and and and and being and being mean to those around me, which I have to apologize for to you, Andrew, and to my beautiful partner all the time.
>> Well, it's so funny because like it's like you when you're smoking, the people around you can smell you and you stink. Then you quit smoking and the people around you are around like bad vibes. So it's just you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's like, "Oh, I mean, go back to smelling bad. This This attitude [ __ ] sucks. You I I'm I'm saying this in general. I I don't feel like I have caught any bad vibes from you, Mondo, in the last like couple of weeks, so."
>> smell like strawberry kiwi.
>> Oh. Yeah, cuz of the vape. Now though, I will say the stupidest part about doing these two things, one is that I don't know if you know this, but when whenever you do a nicotine patch, you have to put it on a different location on your body every day. You can't put it in the same spot. I don't know why. It won't work. You have to put it on a different part of your upper body and it can't be your heart. They're so clear to not put it on your heart.
>> Oh, yeah, I'd imagine.
That's okay.
>> Of course, I've got two on my heart right now.
>> Yeah.
>> Woo! No.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh you have to put it on a different part of your [ __ ] body. Uh you have to stick it on you.
Um and then the gum, too, is one of those things where like the patch soaks in and gives you consistent nicotine so that you have less cravings. The gum is for when you're like, "I need a [ __ ] cigarette right now. I'm going to blow my [ __ ] brains out." It's like you put it in, you start chewing it, it's 4 mg of of nicotine. Hits you right away.
It takes the edge off. Those two things are helping me get by and I they do work and I am proud that I am using them and I and I do feel better using them. It does suck that I have essentially turned myself back into a high school age Latina whose two things that they're the most excited for is putting stickers on themselves >> [laughter] >> and and can I get a piece of gum real quick? Can I get a chiclet? Can I get a chiclet? Can I get a piece of gum? You know how now every day I wake up and I'm so excited to put a sticker on my body and chew my little gum. It's the only [laughter] thing that gets me through the day.
>> I'm sending you a box of Takis. Um >> [clears throat] [laughter] >> The blue ones. I need the blue ones before I >> The blue ones.
>> When I was uh building this bundle to uh send to your house, I almost put in a pack of uh nicotine gum and a case of candy cigarettes.
>> Mhm.
>> But they don't sell them in less than cases of 24 for $8, which is an insane thing to me, by the way. They're trying to get rid of them.
>> Woah.
>> Ooh. Ooh. Ooh. Ooh. Oh. Merch idea?
Merch idea?
>> Okay. Yes. Hear me out.
What [clears throat] if I spent all of the money in our business account buying Geek Bars?
>> No.
>> And it's gone.
>> [laughter] >> Mondo, that was for taxes.
>> [ __ ] taxes. Now it's Now we have no money and we don't have to pay taxes because we bought Geek Bars.
>> [snorts] >> You know what the worst part is? Is that eventually I am going to make a video about how to quit smoking. It's something I'm working on right now. How to quit vaping, how to quit smoking. Um I am going to have to have you guys approve me buying a Geek Bar with company funds so that I can use it for the B-roll footage. And then I need to check it out like a gun.
I need to [laughter] I need to give it to Andrew and then check it out so that I can use it to film the B-roll and then re-put it away.
>> Yeah. I'm going to have to like I have to like check the battery level at like at the beginning [laughter] and end of the thing. I'm like, mhm interesting.
Looking at the juice level.
>> Mondo, just go to West Hollywood and look in any drain >> [laughter] >> straight drainage ditch. You're going to find 80 of them stacked up. [laughter] >> Man, I wonder how high the lithium levels are in the [ __ ] water here because of the the discarded vapes in the West Hollywood [ __ ] >> Schizophrenia way down.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah, you know.
>> Honestly, I would rather have lithium in the water than lead. At least that At least that fixes things.
>> It's true.
That's why I only vape fluoride.
>> Oh, you're >> [laughter] >> keeping it solid.
>> Yeah, cuz they're the only one of us missing a tooth.
>> The active person with attitude. Don't worry, I'm working on it the way my gums keep getting inflamed.
>> Yeah, that Uh the funny thing about like doing the I as people say a like lateral move of smoking to vaping. Like if you're trying to just quit smoking, you can start vaping.
I like lateral move, I feel like it best because like it is definitely not like curbing your addiction to nicotine. If anything, it is hitting the [ __ ] NOS button on your addiction to nicotine.
Cuz one, like the nicotine concentration in a vape is like 50 times that of a cigarette.
Not only that, like a cigarette requires you to stand up, walk outside, like be in the sunshine. You smoke one, you go back inside. Like you can hit a vape, like you can wake up in the middle of the night from like a bad nightmare and just like take like hit nicotine like in your sleep essentially. It's bad. It's not like it it it it way. And it's also like for the most part completely like socially acceptable to just like, you know, hit hit a [ __ ] hit a [ __ ] vape almost almost anywhere.
Um so yeah, it's definitely it's In terms of like wanting to quit nicotine, it'll help you quit smoking. It will not help you quit nicotine.
>> Absolutely not. Absolutely not.
>> A Geek Bar Pulse, which is the one that most people are hitting now, 50 mg/ml uh is 800 mg of nicotine. A cigarette is roughly 1 mg of nicotine. So, really vaping the whole device is equivalent to 800 cigarettes or 40 packs of cigs from one device.
>> Dude, these kids are ripping through two of those a week, three of those a week.
>> Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and give you a little sneak peek of the video that I'm making because I I do want to talk about uh in the video specifically.
You can tell that it's bad because nobody in the history of anybody, I think, has ever not smoked and then gotten addicted to nicotine patches >> [laughter] >> and gotten addicted to nicotine gum.
Vaping and now Zyn, stupidly, are the two things that I've seen that are supposed to be {quote} {unquote} quitting assistants and they become the thing itself.
And you you can you tell yourself, yeah, exactly what you said. You tell yourself that vaping is better for you, but then you do it way more often. And and you're vaping all the time. And then it turns out vaping's harder to [ __ ] quit than smoking is.
>> Yeah.
>> And it's also easier to hide from people if you're trying to quit.
>> That's what I'm saying. Yeah, like you [ __ ] like you're out in a place where you can't smoke, you can absolutely [ __ ] hit a hit a [ __ ] vape in the bathroom.
>> Mhm.
>> even if it's not like socially acceptable.
>> Yeah, like remember in school when you'd like be like, "Oh my god, the bathroom by behind the cafeteria smells like weed, smells like cigarettes." That doesn't happen anymore. Now teachers have to get be like, "I Again, I smell I smell blue raspberry. Who's got it?
What's going on?"
>> Yeah.
>> Who's hitting the [ __ ] Juul in there?
>> Yeah, so smoking or putting on lip gloss. Like those are the only two you can't you can't >> They're not equal probable cause.
>> No.
>> Who's hitting a Juul and blowing the smoke into their [ __ ] water bottle?
Like and then blowing I [laughter] say smoke blowing the [ __ ] vapor into their water bottle. I was like Jesus Christ.
And like man, I sorry, you blew my [ __ ] mind with how much nicotine that is. Like quitting smoke like quitting nicotine quitting smoking I mean they like they they liken it to heroin, right? Like they're like quitting smoking is actually harder to quit than anything.
It's like yeah, because it's like not only is it physiologically more addictive, but like again so easy to get and come by and mostly socially acceptable like no one's like oh man yeah, Monda really hit rock bottom. He was in a dirty dingy basement [ __ ] geek bars strewn about the place.
[laughter] He's changed, man. It's like no. No. No, the doors aren't writing any songs about well, the day is through the night. Got to hit the vape. Like there's none of that like none of that there's none of that No.
>> Miami mint Atlanta MINT ONE MORE [laughter] HIT FROM BANANA SPLIT >> YEAH, the the beatnik generation is way less cool if the guy's typing on the typewriter and then going >> [sighs] >> Like it's not the same like there's no like like instead of having an ashtray full like cigarette butts to show the progression of time there's JUST >> [laughter] >> THERE'S JUST TWO GEEK BARS AND LIKE one sticking out of a couch cushion like it's not the same >> progressively more geek bars plugged into chargers to show the progression >> [laughter] >> [ __ ] that's so funny.
Not having the pile of cigarettes to show the passage of time is so funny.
>> Yeah, you don't even you don't even get like the cool like like writing a script interior smoke-filled room it's just like interior a room that smells gently of bubble gum, I guess. I don't [ __ ] like >> Me me me starting to write in my room and then the passage of time being a bunch of pieces of gum stuck under my desk and a [ __ ] trash can full of stickers.
>> God, I want to build I want to build a clock a desk clock called like the detective clock [laughter] and it is just a clock that it's a stack of it's a stack of [ __ ] cigarette butts that get [laughter] higher and higher to let you know how much much time has gone by.
>> That's so funny and >> [laughter] >> and the other hand is an alcohol bottle that gets progressively >> Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Oh god. Hey, listen, if I if I don't solve my wife's murder, who will?
Oh.
>> [sighs and gasps] >> She had legs that went all the way to her feet.
>> And eyes that were inset to her >> Yeah.
>> face.
>> Just watching as a [ __ ] a noir detective go blowing out [ __ ] rings.
>> [laughter] >> That's >> Oh, [ __ ] Are you guys ready to do a podcast?
>> Absolutely.
>> Let's go.
>> Let's go.
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