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Some Leftists and Some Liberals- Oskar Quentin Debate Live
Added:Patrick, please get in the request queue. This is the Oscar Quinton show where I talk to people on TikTok about politics and related things. And I have done three episodes in a row wanting to talk to some Trump supporters about this deal with the Iran war, but none of them will talk to me about it. And I think it's cuz it's Well, I'll save that. I'll save that for the conversation. Patrick, you said it twice in the chat now, which means you're going to get banned for spamming if you continue. So, uh, I'm on probation. Trust me, you don't want to talk to me. I absolutely do want to talk to you. completely do want to talk to you. If you're watching this after the fact on YouTube, you can find a pinned comment that'll tell you if Patrick's actually going to be brave and get in the box and defend the things he believes in. If it's somebody else, the time stamp of that call will be in that pinned comment and the timestamps of the other calls in the rest of the episode will be in the uh in the description.
Patrick, what I don't understand is why you being on probation matters. That I don't that makes no sense to me. Um so, uh YouTube, okay, you're good. YouTube does see me. Just wanted to make sure.
Good morning everybody. Good morning Ashley. Good morning Jacob. Good morning uh Fos Sarah. Good morning Jacob. Mama Avery is here. The mods are here. Iowa golfer is here. Hello Iowa Golfer.
Ravens here. Debbie in the chat in the mods. Mods are doing lots of work. I Okay. Yeah, that's the topic today. I It's We're three episodes deep on Trump giving $300 billion dollar billion with a B to Iran and I haven't gotten a single Trump supporter to even acknowledge to me that that's happening.
Is that it? Is it has Trump done something so obviously ridiculous and terrible that my show is over because nobody will nobody's willing to even engage with what's actually happening?
Ah, Patrick, I I do want to know I want to know everything about you, Patrick.
I I really do. Like, you keep telling me that I don't in the chat, but I just You think that the money should go to Israel and not Iran. That's a hot take.
We cover hot takes on the show. I don't know why you think it's relevant. Here we go. Here we go. Patrick, I'm going to do the thing, which is that I'm going to mute you for the day because I I I I really do I, you know, everybody says I I silence opposition in the chat by muting, but really it's to encourage you to click this little request button down here, this pink and blue head to the right of the comment section over on TikTok, because that will that will teleport you into this episode of the Oscar Quinton Show, and we can talk about all your all your beliefs. But I'm not really interested in you filling up the chat with your interesting things.
We've got somebody else. We've got Taj Simmons. So, we'll uh we'll see if Oh, why is why is Oh, did I accidentally co-host? Let's get out of here. Uh-oh.
Did I accidentally co-host my show?
That's probably bad. Let's not do that.
Did I click the wrong thing? Sorry, Taj.
I'm gonna block you just to make this go away.
What is going on? What did I do?
How do I end this?
What have I done?
I'm ending the stream. I I'll be right back. Tik Tok.
Whoopsy daisy.
What a what a good start we're off to today.
led a Wookie and is blocked on Tik Tok.
What did you do? Maybe one of the mods misclicked. That's uh you're you're you're you're a known username to everybody. Okay, we're getting we're getting back in here. Let's get the multi- guest request open.
There we go. There we go.
I I get the uh I get the occasional request to um uh Oh, I should have said some non- Tik Tok stuff. Well, I that's always the gag when I'm when I'm not on TikTok, but I'm on YouTube. I like yell a bunch of things. I can't yell on Tik Tok. I forgot this time cuz I was distracted by running the show. Uh well, that was awkward. Yeah. Uh I a lot of the time during the show, people like give me the request to to co-host cuz they're trying to like leech off the show and get a bunch of viewers or something. Um, and I just I just mistakenly didn't realize that's what I was clicking that time.
Yep. They would rather talk about anything but theou. What is theou that an initialism? I don't know.
No, I'm sorry. Mirror sphere on YouTube.
I forgot to to give the personalized YouTube only message. That is lots of fun. And I will say I should start advertising um this Sunday evening.
Sunday the what date is that? blah blah blah blah blah. Sunday the 21st at 700 p.m. Central time, there's going to be a YouTube only stream because I'm having a guest who would definitely get my account banned and I definitely don't want to have them call in on TikTok and just get kicked right away for being a crazy person. Um because Tom Evans, who is a local crazy person here in Minneapolis who's running for governor, who has been harassing me for quite a while, um and wants me to be his lieutenant governor, which I I I had half a mind to accept the position as his running mate just to urge people not to vote for us. I thought that would be fun. Um so, uh I uh yeah, we're we're going to we're going to talk to a to a a local political figure who's also a convicted rapist. um and in all sorts of trouble.
We platform bad people on the show, but I'm doing the Sunday evening show to get away from the the Tik Tok um Tik Tok terms of service and be able to kind of do more of a formal weekly thing. So, that's going to begin this Sunday. And then after that wraps, I'm going to do a members only stream cuz there's u there's a bunch of like $5 members everywhere. So, I'm trying to work out the tech on getting it so that those people can access it. And that's going to be I'm going to keep that non-political cuz I'm not going to like payw wall any of the interviews I do with people or anything like that. Um but, you know, it'll be like a hangout FAQ type thing. Um it'll be say yeah it'll it'll be public um the the thing I'm talking about there's people watching on Tik Tok who are asking so that'll be that'll be an episode that you can watch later as a VOD. It's just there's going to be a private FAQ after for the for the members. Um hello Portland. He says a skis. That joke makes me feel old. Uh memorandum of understanding. Was that the was that the name of the deal?
Is that just what we're calling? Is that Yeah. Okay. The memorandum of understanding. Yeah. I'd read I'd read some of the points. I'd skimmed it. I didn't I guess I missed the title. Um yeah, the important one is the $300 billion. And we're we're well and uh Jacob is asking how you can become a member. There are ways to do that on TikTok. I believe memberships are up and running on here, but there's a $5 membership level on most of the platforms. Uh I made the mistake of making the Instagram level $1. So I'm going to gift everybody who's currently a member like 6 months of membership or something and change it to $5 so that it's the same on all the platforms. And the idea is that if you're a $5 member anywhere, you can get in the member stream. It'll just be kind of more of a like intimate hangout, like not so concerned with doing the radio voice the whole time and keeping the, you know, like Yeah. I don't know. We can just chill and let there be dead air and stuff. Um, but whichever whichever of the platforms you prefer to to have a membership on, YouTube, Tik Tok, Instagram, or Facebook. Uh there's a link tree in the bio so you can find those things. Um, uh, Mike Green says, "I'm sorry. It is a deal for Iran. They got the deal." Well, you know, it's it's it's it's we're giving them $300 billion to end the war. And I'm just I for three days now I have been trying to ask a Trump supporter to just explain to me how this is better than the JCPOA, which for months now Trump supporters have been calling in and complaining to me about it costing $1.8 eight billion dollars, which wasn't just direct taxpayer money.
It's like money from the Contra a fair way back when with some interest on it.
Um so like it's doesn't even matter. It the money could have literally been stolen from the pockets of of Americans and it's still just so little money compared to compared to um compared to 300 billion dollars of taxpayer money that it's just absolutely ridiculous.
Oh, look at that. The memberships are rolling in on uh YouTube. We've got uh we've got uh Blonder Toast Espresso and Jacob.
Welcome welcome to membership over on YouTube. I I'm trying to I I believe I have live streaming privileges on the Facebook account for Oscar Quinton. I obviously do on YouTube. I obviously do on Tik Toks. Tik Tok. So those three platforms actually, yeah, I guess Instagram as well. I think the technical challenge for Sunday is going to be to live stream on four platforms at once because all four of them natively support making a stream only available to uh to people who are members. So, Elusive Viper just became a member. Man, I guess I don't pimp the memberships very much. Um, so thanks for the memberships. Thanks. Thanks, guys. Uh, Gio sent me 10 bucks on Venmo while we're sitting here waiting for a call.
He said, "Uh, just wanted to say I'm a fan and your VODs have been a godsend on the drive to work lately. I'd love to call as a friendly at some point, but I low-key refuse to get TikTok. Keep up the good work, friend. I hear you, dude.
I respect the people who are staying off TikTok. It was a big day for a lot of my viewers when I got the stream going on YouTube as well, cuz you you aren't forced to, you know, to to download that horrible app on your phone. It was I like felt a pit in my stomach back in January where I was like, "All right, I'm getting I'm getting pretty I'm making some pretty cool videos about ICE agents. I think it's time I download Tik Tok and upload some of them to Tik Tok."
So, Noodle, what are you barking about?
W's in the chat for Noodle. Are we going to have another slow day? Like maybe I need to trick Trump supporters into calling by Oh, wait. No, we've got somebody in the queue. So, didn't have it open. Whoopsy daisy. Um, I think they're afraid of the prompt, but we'll see if Salty Seal 9000 is actually going to discuss the Iran War or, you know, whatever they want. I'm not really going to stick on it that hard. Hello. How old are you?
>> Hey, I'm 35.
>> 35. Are you a Trump supporter?
>> I am not, but I I had a I had a question for you. 10 seconds to get your question out and I'm going to move on.
>> Yeah. Cool. So, I'm in a philosophy course and during our philosophy discussion, one student asked, "Should we as a community go out of our way to build a community with people who don't even want to do their bare minimum and vote blue?" Um, the reason why is not because it's a pro-democrat stance. It's a pro- good policy stance. And the Republican party has proved itself incapable of governance. So, if you have people in the middle, they're like, "Well, I just don't vote. Why why are we building a community with them or trying to welcome into our circle? You know, and I'm not taking any side on this. I'm just I think it was a good question because there's only a certain level where you can say I'm not voting or I'm not voting blue and then we get to this point where it destroys the economy and and leads to literal war. So, at what point are non- voters and non-blue voters kind of complacent in this? Does that make sense?
>> So, I I agree with your general sentiment. I get in a lot of trouble for saying that it's important to vote blue probably depending on where you live in the midterms. I'm not a big fan of the Democrats. I recognize that there are great evils within the Democrat party.
So, the leftists in the chat, chill out.
Like, I'm not excited. I just I do recognize what the caller saying about the fact that what I've been saying to the leftists lately is if if we don't win the midterms, if the Republicans win the midterms in some big way, you're not going to be allowed to be a leftist anymore after that. So, that's genuinely what I think the path we're on is. So, yeah, I do think it's important for people to participate. But but to your philosophical ethical question, I do think that we need to accept the fact that if we make a set of rules that's good for society, there's some percentage of people who are going to be [ __ ] and freeload off of it. If we ruin the system for everybody because of those people, it's the same argument as saying that we we shouldn't have welfare programs because certain homeless people are just homeless cuz they're lazy and they're taking advantage of them. Oh, you want to just freeload on on the system that we've developed for everybody? Life isn't fair. We can we can look at the fact on paper that the systems being put in place do make life more fair. Even if in a local to one person sense, one person gets to free load off them in a way that's maybe upsetting. Maybe we can work to society correct that by having good education about all that stuff. Um but it just isn't worth getting rid of the system.
So like we can be upset about that. I just I I just don't think it's we we shouldn't flip the table. It's like for for longtime viewers of the show, it's the same argument that Alcheote Tech edu was making when he said that we should starve a hundred kids to starve one more because we have a program that feeds 100 kids who need to be fed, but one kid sneaks in there and gets a free meal that he doesn't deserve cuz his parents make enough money or whatever it is. It just doesn't make society better to to throw out the system because of that.
So, I just have to be very cautious defending the Democrats cuz I don't like the Democrats. Most of the Democrats that are elected to positions of power in this country are people if they were sitting across the table from me, I would have [ __ ] words for them, which is why I really reserve there's a single-digit number of Democratic candidates that I actually endorse of the hundreds available to discuss at the federal level. Um, so yeah, that there's a bigger discussion about politics outside of just the context of the midterms, but like for now, like we do need to prevent Trump from getting more control. That's important. If you don't think that's important, go [ __ ] yourself, frankly. Uh, we're going to talk to Green Got you. The color green.
Is this Sesame Street? The color green.
Tell us how old you are.
>> Yeah. 25. So, can you go ahead and tell me why the war in Iran is bad?
>> Uh I Well, first of all, can we just agree that war is bad to begin with?
>> Sorry. Can you go ahead and justify the claim? I don't want you to dodge, just to be clear.
>> I Well, let's like uh let's just make some I don't think I'm dodging. I think I'm engaging very directly and I just want to make sure that we're >> now you're pivoting to meta because you can't justify the claim that the war in Iran is bad. That's going to be another like failure on your part. Do you think that makes you look good?
>> Yeah, I do. I think I think so far I think so far I look great in this conversation and I'm going to ask again agree.
>> You can't justify the claim.
>> Can we agree is bad?
>> Notice how you're asking me a question instead of responding to my question.
>> I need to write a few. So just to be clear about this, I'm a Marxist, Leninist, malice, Trosky, a Stalinist.
I'm infinitely smarter than you. I have a spatial IQ of 183. I listen to Bach every morning in my chambers. I have a master's degree in philosophy from the University of Pittsburgh, slow boy. So just to be clear about this, I need you to justify the normative claim that the war in Iran is bad. Try one more time.
Go ahead.
>> Oh, I'm sorry. You know what? That you're so brilliant and intelligent.
>> Sound ass up right now. I just gave you back shots in the conversation. You bosite. You think you look good right now?
Did somebody else remove him? What was that? Did he leave? I was just going to let him go for a little bit. Anyway, we got plenty of people in the queue. So, we're going to talk to Fall and we're going to see if they're going to make some sense for us. Um, yeah. Also, also my my regular viewers do know that my vocabulary is sufficient to deal with that guy. It's just, you know, holy gish holy gish gallop a Batman as somebody in the chat said. Hi, Paul. How old are you?
We are Charlie.
This is beautiful.
This is beautiful. Wait, let's hold hands on.
>> I learned the chord progression for when this happens.
>> Oh god, that is so beautiful. We're holding hands right now. We're >> all right. Now get the [ __ ] off my show.
>> Oh.
>> Uhoh.
All right.
Uh, we're gonna talk to Diego Handro.
>> Yo, what's up?
>> How you doing? How old are you?
>> Uh, 19.
>> Do you support Trump?
>> Sure. No, but I don't support the Democrats. And it's kind of curious how you say that. There's a few Democrats who are like, you know, good. Yeah, I think James I think James Telerico's I I think his heart's in the right place.
>> Do they support capitalism?
>> He like recognizes that capitalism is kind of the system we're in, but he [ __ ] hates them billionaires that are abusing capitalism so effectively to make life difficult for the poor.
>> Bro, capitalism itself in the system makes it difficult for the poor.
>> I agree.
>> You can't be saying that. Yeah. I mean, you can be saying that.
>> So, what do we do? So, what do we do?
Oh, communism revolution. That is >> okay. So, are you going to are you going to vote for communism in the midterms?
>> No. You think they're going to let the communists even win?
>> I don't think that the communists have a chance of winning. So, I think that if you vote for like if you write in the word communism or whatever your answer to my question was supposed to be that that they would just throw it away. So, unless you have a practical approach to like accomplishing communism with American politics, then we're talking about throwing over the government, right? Those are the two options.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I think throwing up the government is like, you know, the main objective of communist.
>> Okay. Uh there'd be a totally interesting conversation that we could have about that on a platform that isn't a social media platform that would displatform me for talking about it.
>> It's in the it's in the Bill of Rights.
Second Amendment's there. Um but like what what do you want me to do?
>> I know. I'm just saying that I I I think we shouldn't be supporting the Democrats, the same people who are not going to give us the freedom that we want.
It is, you know, kind of dumb to do that.
>> I I mean, okay, look, you've got my you got my attention. You're on my show.
You've got my platform. What do we do?
Tell my audience what they should do in order to accomplish what you want to fix the ways in which capitalism is making life hard for people.
>> All right. So, first of all, what we need to do is we need to approach the workers in the factories, in the farms, in the businesses. Tell them why they are exploited, why we need communist, and what is the recognize I recognize the value of those ideologies. What do we do?
>> That's what I'm saying. You need to educate the people first on what we fighting for, who the real enemy is.
>> In the meantime, in the meantime, while we're doing that, cuz I agree with you that we should educate people about the perils of of capitalism. We should educate people on better ways to connect with your community at a local level and make your community more resilient to the sorts of things that capitalism causes the government to do. I recognize all of that. I'm reasonably educated about all of that. That is important. Do you think yes or no that the path forward in doing that will be made more difficult if the Republicans win the midterms?
>> Um well personally I will say m kind of I think it will be better because you know the people are going to be realized okay we got these people we got to do something. Okay the communist over here trying to do [ __ ] everything. Let's support the communist.
Okay. I asked I Wait, wait, wait, wait.
You're just like getting back to your particular like talking points about this, but it's just a yes or no question. Will the thing that you want to happen in this country be more or less likely to happen if the Republicans win in the midterms?
>> I think it will be more likely to happen because, you know, [ __ ] Trump is an idiot and something's going to happen.
He's going to lose power eventually because the people are going to be tired of him if he does a lot of dumb [ __ ] But it going to be harder if we got Democrats who are going to be like they're still going to do dumb [ __ ] but going to be, you know, >> which with which party in control are we more likely to get things like rank choice voting in different levels of government?
>> Um, the DCA, to be honest, I don't really like those people. But >> the what the DCA >> Oh, what am I restricted for? You're not eligible for recommendation >> because what was the reason? Harassment and bullying.
Weird. I don't want to remove you. I like I you know like people here. I'm just going to Is it 10 minutes?
>> I restarted. I already followed you.
Just add me back when you restart.
>> No, I don't need to restart. I It's just going to restrict me for 10 minutes. But we've got enough viewership that I might just like let it happen.
>> I don't think you did anything to warrant that flag. And I do want to engage with your your line of questioning because you're at least being more polite than most of the people who think what you're thinking.
But I I I I just >> you you were talking about the DSA, right? The Democratic Socialists of America.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So, again, I'm just trying to answer some very basic questions here.
Like, do you recognize that if you value something that the DSA or any other third party ideology is doing, it's probably important for you to get third party or uh get rank choice voting which will allow third parties to have an actual voice in politics in America. Do you agree with that?
>> I recognize that. I'm not saying that people in communist should not be voting, but what I'm saying is that voting is not going to get us out of capitalism like the democratic socialists and the thing. Right.
>> Right. Okay. So, you can you can say that there's some other non voting path to getting out of capitalism and I can entertain that. My question remains, are you more or less likely to accomplish that in a world where the Republicans win the midterms or where the Democrats win the midterms?
>> Where the rep where the Republicans win?
That doesn't make any [ __ ] sense to me at all. Please explain it again.
>> Okay. When you see historically, right, u communism is more likely to happen in places in which there's a dictatorship or there is a bad leader who the people >> So, so you're an accelerationist. You want Trump to do something so bad with the government that it causes societal collapse and that's how you're going to get rid of capitalism?
>> Not societal collapse. I think that's dumb. But what I'm saying is that it's going to get to a point which the people are going to be tired of him and his dumb [ __ ] are going to try to overthrow him.
>> So Right. Right. So that So Right. If we over Yes. And when we overthrow the government, that's very very bad. Just a few I started the show out of breath today cuz I sprinted to my door 3 minutes before the show began. I ran all the way down the stairs in my apartment building to go grab the asthma inhalers that I paid online to have them show up at my front door. And if that system where I get to send money to the internet and then the internet sends me asthma inhalers. If that system stops working, I will die. So I don't want societal collapse personally. Maybe that's selfish of me because I'm dependent on society to survive because I have a medication that I take that I'm required to take or I'll [ __ ] die of suffocation in my own body. Like which I don't know. Asthma attacks are [ __ ] terrifying. I don't know if anybody's ever anybody watching if you've ever been have you ever had an asthma attack without an asthma inhaler. It's just like oh you don't get to breathe now.
[ __ ] Sucks to be you. um terrifying.
It's like drowning on land. I don't I don't want I don't want >> I think it'd be really bad if if if the system that we all depend on to survive collapsed in such a way that those sorts of things stopped working. If the grocery store didn't have the food that you want. So I do I do recognize the value of the government. It doesn't seem like you do.
>> I mean of course I cannot recognize it, right? But the thing is that I want it to be better, right? And I want it to be less exploitative to the people in the global south because you know for you to get that inhaler in such a cheap price because I mean not really cheap but for you to get it and to yeah maybe get it free I don't know how to >> both parties both parties the Democrats and the Republicans are bad to the global south. I recognize that on the world stage America is the bad guy regardless of who's in charge. I completely recognize and agree with the leftists on that. I think that that's an enormous [ __ ] problem that needs to be fixed. What I don't what I just cannot understand is why you people think that if we if we overthrow the system somehow you expect the phoenix to rise from the ashes better than the one that just burned to a sizzled to a crisp in front of you. How do you what is your historical precedent for the idea that if we overthrow the government in a way that that is outside of the system of governance we have that the system that replaces it's going to be better? I just don't see that happening. When societies collapse, it's the rapists and the pillagers who win.
>> Okay. One example of that is in the Russian civil war, Russian revolution, right? Uh the people first of all um overthrew the SAR and but it wasn't the communists. Then the communist overthrew the provisional government and after they took power, they started doing um reforms. started doing some policy and when you look at Russia compared to the times of the SAR which was a semifudal nation in which the literary survey was like >> these aren't these are not like even even the countries that people are listing in the chat right now these are not places where the human development index is very high these are not places that are crushing it these are not places that are successful give me >> yeah because in 2026 not communist or socialist or >> so provide me an example of this working >> I can believe I can like I can I can respect the fact that if it's never worked Maybe you have a better plan than these places did. I can believe in something that's never happened before happening. So you can just admit that it hasn't happened if you don't have an example, but then you need to provide for me an example of why you think it's actually going to work this time. And I just don't think that if we let the government collapse, my asthma inhalers are going to keep showing up in the mail. I don't believe it. And I worry about that. I worry about that grievously because if the asthma inhalers stop showing up in the mail, I will die.
A really miserable death. By the way, >> listen. When I when I say about the USSR, right? Are you going to tell me that it did not got better when the Bullshiks were in power?
>> Sorry, I was distracted by something in the chat. Ask your question again.
>> Okay. When the Bolsheviks took power in Russia, did the Russian people not get better lives >> in long-term? No.
>> Of course, no. Yeah. You compare 1914 Russia governed by the >> Yeah. It didn't it didn't it didn't set Russia up to succeed in the 20th century. No, >> of course. Because >> I'm trying to set up America to succeed in the 21st century.
>> Go to China, right, for example, which is now governed by communist. U look at China. They have um cheap housing, cheap uh groceries, cheap.
>> I really value freedom of speech.
They're not allowed to use the global internet in China, which makes it hard to even assess what sorts of problems there are there. Like no, I I take issue with that as well.
>> Well, the problem with that is that China has recognized that you cannot let the American bots, the American people like that to come into Chinese. Um >> China China is succeeding on the global capitalist stage. You understand that, right?
>> Yeah. Because they have socialist market in which this market does not control the government.
>> That sounds much more like what I am suggesting we should do over the next 10, 20 or 30 years in American politics.
It sounds like you don't >> socialism.
>> I I I identify politically as a democratic socialist in the same sense as like AOC or Bernie. I recognize that people like yourself probably wouldn't consider me a democratic socialist. You would consider me a social democrat. If we want to use the mid- 20th century vocabulary terms that are accurate to my specific philosophical beliefs that my political convictions are founded on, it's a rat's nest. At the end of the day, I just need to see a pragmatic path forward that doesn't involve people not being able to get their basic needs met.
Because if we have a big regression on that, the cost will be enormous because people like me who need their asthma inhalers might die. People who need food from the grocery store might go hungry.
Those things are so bad. I weigh that cost so heavily that even if I can see a better system rising from that, I I I have to weigh the pros and cons. And there's there's a cost of doing it progressively and more slowly, which is that the system that is evil, that I recognized throughout this call is evil, will be in place for longer and continue to do more evil. We have to weigh that cost against the cost of a societal collapse. And until you convince me that a societal collapse, that an overthrow of the government will be less costly than whatever bad [ __ ] the Democrats are going to do if they're in control for the next 20 years, I just I I am not going to I'm not going to believe in it.
I'm not going to care. I don't think that the global south will be safer if somebody else overthrows the US government and takes control of our $800 billion a year funded military. Who is going to have access to the nukes? Who's going to have the tanks? Who's going to have the planes? Who's going to have the aircraft carriers? These are question marks that nobody with your political perspective has ever been able to answer satisfactorily for me. And because of that fact, I'm just sitting here begging for you to offer me a path forward that doesn't lead to undue death and destruction. There is death and destruction in the current system. I'm devastated about that fact. I'm devastated that the Democratic politicians that I have to urge people to vote for in the midterms are guilty of that. Not in the same way as the Republicans, but when with certain issues, things like Israel and Gaza, absolutely. They are they are the bad guys. I am just too [ __ ] pragmatic.
I'm too I'm too good at weighing this versus that and and and making the big boy decision to accept some bad to get to the greater good. And I just I just need to hear an argument that that your path is one that leads to something better.
>> Well, um to be honest, I don't know what to tell you. You got to choose between societs in the chat. I'm sorry. Hold on.
>> Is that Dean Withers in the chat?
>> Oh, damn.
>> Hi, Dean.
>> Nice to meet you, Dean.
Yo, what's up, Dean? How does be supporting Israel and call yourself a liberal? A leftist.
>> Why are you accusing me of supporting Israel? Were they Were you listening to me?
>> Dean. Dean.
>> Oh, you're talking to Dean. Okay, whatever, man. [ __ ] don't pay attention to Dean. I'm sorry I [ __ ] mentioned it. Dean. Dean, go away.
You're distracting people from my show.
Shoot with your fame. Explain to me how your political perspective makes sense.
>> Don't mind Dean watching. Yeah. Damn.
Now I'm kind of nervous now. So, okay.
So, it is true. Yeah, you're right that if a saddle collapse happens, some things like your inhaler will not be available. That is true. But for the long term, it's going to be beneficial to the people of America. Now, to your question, to the nukes, to the air bases, the PCO, which is the party that I really like to support, in their manifesto, quote unquote, they said like, "Okay, we're going to get rid of our foreign bases. We're going to get rid of a lot of [ __ ] we're going to cut uh military um funding to give it to the people.
They said that. So, >> okay, they said that. Great. That sounds fun. Please do a costbenefit analysis of your path forward and mine and demonstrate to me that it isn't completely obvious that the societal collapse that you're pro promoting by wanting to overthrow the government creates an undue cost to the people.
Like, I I'm just You just keep saying these ideals. I agree with the ideals. I agree with the leftists. I say on my show all the time that the leftists are mad at me for being a liberal and the liberals are mad at me for being a leftist. And the leftists in my real life who know me and sit at the bar and drink beer with me, they say I'm neither. I'm a leftist with a plan. What is your [ __ ] plan, dude?
>> [ __ ] Hey, I don't think we can say that online. Plus, you're asking a 19-year-old revolutionary, bro. I'm not the [ __ ] economist. I'm just >> Yeah, but you called in to argue for it.
So, like, forgive me. I'm not usually so hard on 19-year-olds, so forgive me for being a little bit yippy. I am just frustrated by the fact that people like you can be so convicted about this sort of thing. While when the moment I actually present you with a major problem with your past forward, you raise your hands and say, "Well, I'm not an economist. I'm just 19 years old."
So, yeah, you are just 19 years old. And I I think that your worldview is a little bit irresponsible. And I think you need to really weigh seriously the fact that maybe you don't have what I have. Maybe you don't have an asthma inhaler that needs to show up in the mail for you to stay alive. Maybe you don't have that in your life, but everybody does and everybody will because no matter what happens in your life, you will eventually either die or if you live long enough, you'll certainly become disabled. So eventually you'll become dependent on that system and it's just selfish. It's just it's it's just not not >> the thing here is that I am an immigrant myself, right? And I recognize that I don't want the exploitation of my people.
>> You're an immigrant. You should be ter Wait, wait, hold. I'm going to interrupt and just say you're if you're an immigrant, then this whole thing like you can have your political conviction.
and we can say that you're right about what you want and I do agree with you about a lot of that. How do you not recognize the danger you're in if the Republicans win the midterms? Can't you realize that even if it's just to buy you time to get what you want, you should be concerned about who wins the midterms?
>> Uh, of course. Of course. I'm not saying, okay, I'm not saying that I want the [ __ ] Democrats to lose and everything like Republicans take over.
But what I'm saying is that if for my plan, for the plan of the communist, for us to take power, we need like some [ __ ] idiot in the government. That's all I'm saying.
And that's I'm sorry. That's how it happens. That happened in China, Cuba, Vietnam, um, Russia.
>> I genuinely wor You're an immigrant. I genuinely worry that if Trump's plan continues, if they maintain control of the House or the Senate after the midterms and Project 2025 continues, I genuinely worry that you'll get deported to some terrible place that you've never been before, that you'll end up locked up, that you'll be separated from your family, like that you could get assaulted or or or murdered by an ICE agent. Like I I I I really genuinely worry about these things happening to people like you and I I think I think that ideologically you and I are on the same team. I just recognize that it is completely foolhardy to not recognize the fire that you have in front of you which is that half of the government doesn't want you to have basic civil rights. Never mind all the civil rights that you and I are both concerned about protecting because both parties are bad in certain ways. Both parties are bad to the global south. Never mind all of that if they lock you up. Never mind all of that if you end up in Secot in El Salvador. Never mind that if an ICE agent puts his gun in your mouth. Like like how do you not see that you need to deal with that if you want to be able to spend your life working for these ideals that you care so much about?
>> I recognize that. But the thing with the Democrats is that um they just want me here. They want my people here just to be exploited because they don't agree to like let's give them citizenship or anything like that. They just wants us here to work for the [ __ ] companies to get exploited. And maybe >> both parties want that. Do you recognize that you'll have a better time fighting that system if you're not in a jail cell?
>> That's true. Yeah, I agree with that.
>> Okay. And I worry that you'll end up in a jail cell or a camp somewhere or a plane or a bus or a train going somewhere. Like I worry about these things that we're on the path to right now because if you look at the if you look at the governments that have exercised this pattern of behavior in the 20th century, it leads to [ __ ] terrible things that you should be horrified of. And I I so appreciate that you have a a global enough worldview that you value the suffering of Palestinians enough to to dive on the grenade of not wanting to care so much about what's going on locally, but you won't be able to do any good for them if the Republicans maintain their control and continue executing Project 2025 that so you just you just need to it's it's a little bit like how people get mad at me for not donating more money to charity even though I just got a float as a live streamer. And it's like I need to pay myself first. I need to make sure that I'm okay or I will never be able to do more good for people. I need to pay my bills and get my life in order or I will never be able to spend my life doing the sorts of charitable things that I want to do. And you need to do that right now with your vote. You need to protect yourself so that you can spend your life fighting for what you believe in. That's what's that's what's on the plate this year in 2026. It's it's it's this. It's this midterm thing where like you can hate the Democrats, but you can recognize that they're probably not going to lock you up for your skin color.
>> That's right. I agree with you. Yeah.
But for the long term, let's be honest.
If we want to get rid of capitalism, that that is the main objective of a communist, >> are we really going to do it with the [ __ ] Democrats?
>> It's more No, no. Yeah. Yeah. Which is more likely though? Like which is more likely? How what gets you closer to getting rid of capitalism? The Democrats winning the midterms or the Republicans winning the midterms? And I just don't think that you were weighing appropriately the actions that the Republicans are doing that the Democrats are not. You're focusing too much on the similarities and not enough on the differences cuz the differences are what are a direct threat to your life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
>> Okay, hold on. Tell me how how are the Democrats going to supposed to like take us out of [ __ ] capitalism or the DCA?
Tell me.
>> Uh because because it's the Democrats that are willing to put in place rank choice voting, which gives third party candidates and third party ideologies a chance of actually having a voice in American politics. The Republicans are terrified of that. They don't want the will of the people. They want to maintain control forever. So they want to lock us into this partisan system where it's one or the other and they can fight the one party. Whereas the Democrats recognize that even if it means that long-term dem establishment Democrats lose control, rank choice voting is still good because it gets the will of the people elected more. And if you can come on shows like this and talk with people like me reasonably about how bad capitalism, the will of the people can shift to be an anti- capitalist one that will elect such candidates. That is a possible path forward with Democrats.
It just isn't with Republicans. They don't want that [ __ ] They're terrified of it. They worked very hard to lobby against it.
>> Well, the problem like like I said before, I don't believe the Democrats will do it because yes, that is true, right?
>> Then why is the mayor of New York then why is the mayor of New York a Muslim that was elected through rank choice voting?
>> Because he's a social he's a democratic socialist. Okay. He somebody >> and I want that sort of thing to happen in more places. And if you don't recognize the value of voting in the system that we currently have, you will never get there. You won't get that.
You're throwing away an opportunity to make it better because there isn't an opportunity on the table to make it exactly what you want. It's shortsighted. You need to take the wins that you can get and work pragmatically because if you just sit there and fold your arms and say it's all bad, it will stay bad for your entire life and you'll never accomplish anything. I want you to accomplish things. I want you to be a part of making the world more like you want it to be.
>> I'm recognizing that they do it better for the working class, right? Rather than [ __ ] liberal or conservative.
The thing about them is that they don't recognize that we must end capitalism or that we must end the exploitation of the global south. And as a person from the global south myself, yes, I don't like them because they still exploit people from the global south. Look at the [ __ ] northern countries. Yes, they have the people there live better lives than us, but they they live such lives out of the cost of >> see. And this and this and this is the impass that I run into, which is why I feel like unless you offer me a new argument, I'm going to have to move on to a different color because you just aren't recognizing the fact that what you want is impossible under Republican leadership and you at least have a chance under Democratic leadership.
>> How say impossible? How it's impossible?
>> Because they might [ __ ] send you to a concentration camp, dude. We have like a a we have a local fascism problem. We can say that the Democrats are and Republicans are both fascists from a global perspective. I agree with the leftists on that. locally. The fact that for the most part, you've gotten to live your 19 years uh on Earth. I don't know how long you've been in America. You said you're an immigrant, but you you get to live here and walk down the street and say these things. You get to call into my show without people coming up and showing showing up at your door and arresting you. I'm saying that that's going to keep getting worse. The arrests are going to keep getting worse.
The the censorship is going to keep getting worse. They have this plan because they are terrified of people like you. They they're terrified of people like me. They don't like that we have some ideas that are maybe a little more progressives, a little more progressive than the establishment progressives. And if we don't get that [ __ ] under control, we will not be allowed to continue being that progressive.
>> Well, um, of course I'm going to get [ __ ] arrested. That happened in Russia and China. The [ __ ] government were against us and they arrested us.
But yet we still [ __ ] >> So get in the trenches and resist the likelihood of you being arrested by voting blue in in November.
>> I'm sorry. I'm willing to be arrested for what I believe in. I'm sorry.
>> Yeah, but Yeah. And that's like great.
Me, too. I'm super willing to be arrested. People who've been listening this week know that because some crazy shit's happened here in Minneapolis that had me pretty scared this week. Like, I'm fine with that. I'll die for this. I don't care. I've been saying the whole time I've been running the show and running around chasing ICE agents for and documenting the [ __ ] that they do.
That if one of them [ __ ] shoots me, just hang posters of me. That that'll I'll die happy knowing that enough people know who I am. That those posters will get hung and you'll talk about what I did while I was here. That's fine. I agree with you. I'm on the same page as you here. I still just recognize that if I get myself killed doing something stupid, that would not be very good.
That's not me leveraging the capability that I have to make the world a better place in a way that's reasonable. I can do more good if I'm careful about this.
If I handle it in a way that I consider to be tactful and legal and safe and all of that. And one of the ways that we can get we can extend the time that we have to keep exercising the constitutional rights that we already have is by keeping the [ __ ] Democrats in control of the Senate. Because if the Republicans remain in control of the Senate, some very terrible things are going to happen to your constitutional rights in the next two years. And I believe that with my [ __ ] heart. I I'll say this, okay? Um, okay. Let let the Democrats win. We'll see. But >> it's not about let the it's not about letting them win. It's about ensuring that they win for the reasons I've just described. And if you don't recognize the danger you're in, I'm I'm I'm devastated for you, bro, because you're you're you're you're an immigrant and you're living in a country that's that's using the immigrants as the scapegoat for literally the terrible, horrible, awful things that the capitalists have done. The billionaires are responsible for the things that Republicans complain about immigrants doing to this country.
and and and you are the target of their scapegoating. They are con convincing people and mass that it's not the billionaires, it's not the capitalists.
They're saying it's your fault. They're going to come for you because of the thing that you're mad about. And you don't recognize that that's worth fighting because it's a smaller battle than the than the greater war of making America less of a fascist state on the global stage. And that's just irresponsible, shortsighted.
>> Okay, that's fine. Um I can agree I can't agree with you on that one. The bullshiks were also on the side of the social democrats and the liberals, but they eventually overthrew them. So yeah, go liberals, I guess.
>> I'm going to move on. You got anything else before you go? It's just it's just the same. It's the same the same impossible.
>> Thank you though for letting me be here.
Have a good day.
>> Yeah, I have a good day. I I hope you have a good life. I like I worry for people like that. It's just it's the same impass I always get to which is like how can you not recognize that that the party that's trying to stop you from even talking about what you want is maybe the party that you should be working pretty actively against even if you don't like the the you know it just so fundamentally comes down to the lesser of two evils, right? Like if you say that the the Democrats are just as evil as the Republicans, that's bananas.
That's that's [ __ ] insane. That's ridiculous. Oh, are they both pro Israel? That's not even necessarily true. It seems that all of the Republicans are pro-Israel and most of the Democrats are are are pro-Israel.
That's still better. That's still better. Like like like we can't we're not going to we're not going to elect a party in the midterms where nobody supports Israel. It's just [ __ ] impossible. So how about go for fewer people who support Israel? James Telerico doesn't support Israel. I that's why he's one of the only Democratic candidates who actually has my glowing endorsements cuz he doesn't take [ __ ] pack money from anybody. He he's running on a anti-billionaire platform. He's a Christian from Texas who's trying to flip Texas blue. He has a chance of actually doing it in a meaningful way that would benefit the previous caller's worldview, but he can't recognize it cuz the guy is running under the label of Democrat because that's what you do if you're trying to protect people from billionaires as a politician in Texas.
He understands the system. I understand the system and that kid is lost.
Oh man. Oh god. Uh if you guys like what I'm doing, you can go to the link tree in my bio and follow me on the other platforms. I keep forgetting to get my second phone up here so I can have the secondary accounts, but Oscar Quinton 2 and Oscar Quinton Music uh are at the bottom of my link tree. And I need to get those accounts more followers so that if I get banned on this one, you know, I can I can still do the show. And if you want to send me money, you know, Venmo Cash, buy me a coffee or Patreon.
That stuff pays the bills, which means I get to do the show full-time. Um so we're going to talk to who's next? Cindy Luhoo. Um and uh she says MBW Antifa. So I think that's a friendly Cindy. Cindy, let me know in the chat if you're not a friendly, but I'm going to move on to Jake because I think he's not a friendly. It's not quite friendly time.
Oh my god, it's only been 40 minutes.
The leftists. I I I agree with the leftists about so much.
It's so taxing to talk to them, though.
Oh gosh. Is Jake going to connect?
We shall see.
D.
I don't even know the melody. See, I need to learn it on the piano. I need to learn like a nice cordy version of that to to play when people are connecting.
Been trying to find ways to incorporate music in the show that doesn't immediately tank the viewership. But um I I'm glad I learned the Charlie Kirk thing yesterday because that came up that came up today. Um we were just talking about that yesterday on the show, which is why I learned the chord progression. But um okay. Yeah, Jake is not connecting. So, I think we are going to talk to Cindy Lhoo, who might be a friendly, and I wasn't even watching the chat, so I don't know if she responded or not.
Claudia says that was a great conversation. That I think was it was unfortunately not a productive conversation for the caller, I don't think. But in terms of me making my case to the leftists, I think that was a good one. Oh, Dean Withers is here.
>> Bro, >> nice to meet you, Dean.
>> Oscar, >> what's up, >> man? I've been listening for the last like 30 minutes. You're an absolute killer.
>> You're great at this.
>> You absolutely >> you absolutely have a future in like becoming a massive [ __ ] political commentator doing debates and [ __ ] cuz you're awesome at what you do, man.
You're better than me. Like I I I think that this is an awesome show. Oscar, >> I I always say you and I do have different approaches to this. That's that's what I'll say about that. But I I I do seriously appreciate the kind words, dude. It's cool to It's It's cool to finally get to talk to you.
>> Yeah, man. I'm like I'm just I'm honestly really impressed, dude. That's all that I came up here to say. I dropped you a follow. I'm I'm going to be listening to your stream like, you know, every every morning I see that you do the 10 to 12. You're 10 to 12 central time, dude. You're awesome.
>> Yeah. I saw I saw you liked one of my Instagram videos the other day and I was like, "Ah, here we go."
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You popped up my on my Instagram um and I thought that was a pretty good video.
>> Show me Show me the word Show me the word threat in the sentence. I'm going to punch you in the face. That video, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a good one.
That was a good one. I also really like uh like your arguments there. I I agree with you um on everything that you just said and I've always been struggling to find a way to say it. It's almost like uh more likely to be understood from the leftist perspective.
I feel like it's really hard to give an argument from like the perspective of a social democrat or a democratic socialist in so far as why it is the case that people should probably vote for Democrats uh that's like appealing to the leftist worldview without coming off as like you know uh anti-leftist.
And I think that you just did it pretty well.
>> Yeah. I I think I think that to put it as concisely as I can, the leftists need to realize that what they're trying to accomplish will very quickly become illegal if the Democrats lose the midterms. So they should care about that. plain and simple.
>> Yeah, that's great. Well, hey, listen, I'll stop taking up your time. I appreciate you for letting me up and like I said, genuinely, you're great at what you do, dude.
>> Appreciate you, Dean. I uh you you inspired me to get started. So, I've I've got plenty of hours listening to your stream. So, uh you know, thank thanks for thanks for showing me a content structure I found some interest in.
>> Love it. That's awesome. Take care, man.
>> I'll catch you later.
>> Well, that was neat. Uh we're going to talk to Kaden Louser, who is begging in the chat to talk to Dean. Sorry, dude.
You're going to talk to me.
Hello. How are you?
>> Hey, how you doing?
>> Doing all right. How old are you?
>> Before, remember? H >> we talked before. I'm the guy from Iowa.
>> Uh yes, I uh forgive me. I do I do remember talking to you from from Iowa.
I just I've got a couple callers from Iowa. It's hard to get all the details straight with the number of different regular callers I have. But you can either remind me or we can just clean.
>> Yeah, >> we can. I'm not here to debate. I'm here to actually tell you. Um, I was, you know, I was a big Donnie guy at first.
You know, I sat in, listened to you, and I just wanted to let you know that, um, my mind is definitely opened up a lot more.
>> That's good. Um, what's um, what's compelling to you these days?
>> Oh, are you still there?
>> Oh, did you hear me at all there or not?
>> No, you just cut out a second ago. You said that you said that your your mind's opening up more and I'm just I want to hear >> Yeah. I I just wanted to let you know that uh there's hope for I was one of I used to be one of those Donald Trump writers, but now I've realized that the world is more than just, you know, him. So, I just wanted to say thank you for giving everybody an open perspective about everything. So, I you know, I I it doesn't get enough airtime the fact that like what we're doing on here is making a difference for people cuz even right now I can watch the viewership fall and that's fine. um because it's it's worth giving you a moment to just say that you appreciate the platform and what we're doing because a lot of people say that we're just sniffing each other's farts and just there's no benefit to this at all.
>> But I I don't think that's I don't think that's true. I think people get worn down which is why I'm trying it's been three days I've been trying to find a Trump supporter to discuss the new Iran deal with me and not one of them has engaged with the topic cuz I I just don't think it's defensible. And honestly, like it's what I like to think is like I sat in through um I don't know through Deans one time >> and I would almost rather have 400 people that are actively listening than 15,000 people that just try to troll his stream the entire time if you know what I mean. I don't know if the last time you sat through his stream, but it probably it's probably one in a 100 that he finds a true Trump supporter that he can actually debate. Well, I think I think part of it is that there are a lot of regular callers where I could I could fast forward to me doing this for another year or two where like every now and then we ban somebody because they come and they spend an hour on the show with the same exact arguments over and over again and the fourth or fifth time they do it. I say, "Okay, enough of you." And I ban them. Um just cuz it isn't good for the show for us to just operate on repeat. And I can imagine doing that for so long where even if you have an enormous platform like Dean has cuz I'm pretty sure that's what you were alerting alluding to. It might still be really hard to to get uh to get a good call just cuz you've kind of gotten rid of a lot of the regulars. I think there's a very vocal minority that represent most of the calls on this debate platform on TikTok. And once you've worked your way through it, it just gets hard to find those those fresh people. But it is those fresh people who haven't, you know, the fresh meat who haven't been in a lot of debate lives who might sit down and have a conversation with me for an hour and actually change their mind. And that does happen on the show from time to time.
>> The last thing I'll leave you with here, cuz I am it's I got a day off today, so I'm going to go golfing. So I just tuned in here quick. The last thing I'll leave you here with today is um I was a guy that, you know, argued at first um if I had a million cheeseburgers um and somebody had zero, would I split them?
And at first I said no, but now I just like to say I would give away 500,000 cheeseburgers and 200,000. So that's why I have won. So yeah, I just wanted to come back and say that. So >> wonderful, dude. I I mean, at the end of the day, never mind all these labels.
Never mind the parties, never mind the politics. We should all just be nicer to each other. And if you're being nicer to each other, you give up the hamburgers.
It's that simple.
>> And honestly, it's probably sounds weird for the people who didn't get to hear that cheeseburger reference, but >> the cheeseburger analogy is so common on the show. That that one can be a deep track for the regular listeners. But yeah, we're just we're just talking about distributing what you got. I appreciate you hopping up. I'll let you go.
>> Hey, have a good one.
>> Have a good one. Dubby's in the chat for Kaden. Um cuz uh yeah, I I I just got to spend some time demonstrating to the people who listen to the show after the fact that yeah, it's uh it's you know, can we just be nicer to each other? I I I had a I had such a like lovely comment on my YouTube video. I'm going to talk about this for a moment because the Oh, no. Hayden's back. We're going to talk to Hayden. Maybe I'll talk about it after Hayden if I remember. Um, hello. How old are you?
>> Hello.
>> Hi.
>> 20.
>> 20. Are you a Trump supporter?
>> What's your date on?
>> Uh, yes sir.
>> You are a Trump supporter. Okay. What was your question?
What's my take on the Iran situation?
Like what?
>> Well, so so I'm very interested in your take on the Iran situation because I think that the deal that Trump has met with the war, if not, now if we call the war concluded, if we say that that that this is it and we just assume that this isn't going to be broken like every other agreement, I think that's potentially going to happen because Trump's war powers have been restricted.
If we assume that this is it and the war is over, I just want to ask you this. Is this $300 billion deal that Trump is doing to end the war, does that leave us in a better state of affairs with Iran than the JCPOA that Obama brokered, which was which involved $1.7 billion of of money? Which which is better?
Is this a connection issue? I hope it's a connection issue. You're you're welcome to disconnect and reconnect right away because I do want to you you you're a Trump supporter who brought me the Iran topic and I've been for three days trying to get people to talk about Iran. So Hayden, just cuz I I don't think we're having a good connection here, I'm going to disconnect you, but please feel free to hop right back in. I want to continue that conversation cuz to everybody who's joining from the Dean raid, hello everybody. Um the uh for three days now I've been trying to get a Trump supporter to acknowledge the fact that Trump's Iran deal that has ended the war is just a worse deal than Obama had originally. We could have just not done any of this. We could have not used up all this ammunition. We could have not killed all these people. We could have not lost any US servicemen. We could have not lost any aircraft. We could have not had global gas prices shoot up. We could have not had all this difficulty. If if he if Trump if Trump had just done nothing regarding Iran, that would have been better. Um, it's a Dean and a Parker rate. Oh my god.
Somebody call in. Give me a call so these people see that I'm good at talking to people. Hayden, please come back. Um, oh my god. Do I have donations to read? That's what I should spend a moment doing while we're waiting for callers. Um, we got Abe Froman, but I am going to thank Michael for the two bucks on Cash App. He just said, "Let's [ __ ] go Oscar money just cuz."
Appreciate you, Michael. And let's see if there's any Venmos link tree in the bio if you want to support. Anyway, we're going to talk to Abe Froman. Is that a Is that a joke? Is that a reference to something? I don't remember. How old are you?
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Beller.
Buler. Oh my god, everybody's rating me today. This is obscene. Jacob sent me 10 bucks on YouTube super chat to say what?
Ah. Uh, just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate you. I've been watching for a couple weeks now and you've brought up so many great viewpoints. Thanks a lot from Royal Colorado and much love. Appreciate you, Jacob. Abe Froman has reconnected.
Second time's a charm. The internet gods are not on my side today.
>> Yeah. What's going on, man? Can you hear me now?
>> I can hear you now. How old are you?
>> I'm 35.
>> 35. Are you a Trump supporter?
>> Um, so I don't support anyone actually.
I have never voted, but I thought I would hope you still hear me out and have a conversation with me.
>> Well, I do I mean that's kind of been the topic today. I do think voting is important. I think you should vote.
>> Fair enough. Um, I guess I feel like there's been no one in my voting lifetime worth voting for. Um, I think too everyone um has every right to be upset with the where we are today, but I also think we should be upset about how we got here. Um, like can I ask you, are you are you a Bernie Sanders fan?
>> Uh, yeah. I actually voted for him in the presidential primary in 2016 in New York. That's like the vote as in my voting history as an adult in America, that's the vote I'm most proud of. But it didn't work out. Hillary Hillary won that primary and that's why that's in my opinion why Trump won in 2016. That was like the turning point for Trump winning the election. Um, >> I actually 100% agree with you, Oscar.
So, aren't you upset then that how Hillary Clinton and the and the Democratic party handled that?
>> Mhm.
>> Fair enough. Fair enough. Okay. So, I guess that's just where I'm at. Um, I see things like that happen where like people like Bernie Sanders should have got that vote and he uh, you know, they pretty much ate their own on that. Um, I think Biden and Harris were not good candidates either. Um, I don't think Trump was a good candidate, which is why I didn't vote for him. But I guess I just feel like if we had better people to vote for and if things like what happened to Bernie Sanders didn't happen, I just think we would be in a better place. So, I guess I'm just upset with the system in general as a whole.
>> Yeah. Right. I I I can I mean, I hear your frustration there. Like I I I as a young man was really felt very disenfranchised by the fact that we had all this steam behind Bernie Sanders and it just didn't work out. And Hillary Clinton was perfectly qualified for the presidency. She just wasn't my favorite candidate. Um and uh you know I I'm with you. Like I feel that hurt. But as a matter of fact, it's it there are so many people like you in this country that if they all just got together and said, you know what, we need to vote for somebody who's going to make it more likely that American politics is less shitty 10 or 20 years from now. If you all just voted with that in mind, you would represent an enormously powerful voting block. And I don't want you I I just think it's it's not sensible to be discouraged by the fact that you're never going to have that much organization because the way that that that will be accomplished, the way that the power that that the non- voter like you has in this country will be, you know, risen from the grave of your own um complacency about it is just for you individually to have a conversation with somebody like me and start voting so that your voice counts. And if if that happens to more and more people, we can really change the tides on a lot of this stuff. The non- voter had the power to stop Trump being president both times, but you didn't. So, I'm going to put the heat on you a little bit and say it's a little bit your fault. It's more your fault than it is my fault.
Um, I mean, I guess that's a fair way of looking at it, but again, I when you when again using the Bernie S uh Bernie Sanders thing as an example, I guess I feel like um, you know, even when there is a candidate that you might feel worth voting for and you do, look what happens. I mean, uh, you know, I I think that that's I think it's corruption in its finest. I think Hillary bought out the Democratic party and and bought that vote and they burned Sanders out. And um so again, I I feel like even if there is a candidate worth voting for, um it in the end it doesn't matter. They're going to put up who they want to put up.
Again, I just didn't feel comfortable after seeing honestly the decline of Biden is is I don't it's not that I don't think he was a good president or anything like that, but he he did have a a strong mental decline and and that's just that's I agree with that. He Yeah, I one one of Biden's campaign promises that I'm most furious about him breaking is that when he was running the first time, he said that he would be a single term president. And me as somebody going, "Oh god, I have to vote for Joe Biden. God damn it. Love that Bo Burnham song about it. are you really going to make me vote for Joe Biden? You know, that that that thing like Yeah. Like that was upsetting to me, but I thought, okay, yeah, he's 80. He's going to be 80 at the end of his term. You know, if he's not going to run again, that's fine. So, I was really mad that he ran again cuz he was too [ __ ] old and and then he procrastinated dropping out too long. That's fine. But what I will just interrupt this conversation to say is why are we talking about any of this if you don't think voting is important? I think the only subject matter I should be willing to engage with with you is whether or not voting is important.
Because if you're not going to vote, I'd rather talk to somebody who's going to.
No, I Oscar, it's not that I don't think voting is important. I think if anything, probably voting like locally is is very important and that's something that I haven't done. That's something I um I I to be honest don't do enough research on. I don't go and research like who's running in my in my town and in my city and state and all that. I I don't do enough research for that. I will admit that. Um, as far as the again though as far as who's been running for president in my voting lifetime. Um, it it just again I you know I didn't vote for Trump any of the times. Just again with the decline of Biden, I think Harris was the last >> You're bringing up all these examples, but like you said a second ago that you agree with me that you should be more involved with this. So, just like, >> yeah, >> straightforwardly, >> the only the only thing that'll convince me that we can wrap up the conversation about how important voting is is you telling me that you're going to work really hard to get educated about who you should vote for in the midterms, and you're going to turn out for the midterms.
>> Sure. No, absolutely. No, we I I can agree with you there. And and yeah, and um I guess Yeah, I would like to I would like to wrap this up, too. I know you're you're looking for more of a opposition, but um I guess it was just >> I mean, look, the No, no, no. I'm going to I'm going to just say something to you and my audience. The oppositional calls are better for the success of the stream.
>> But if I get you to vote, never mind who I get you to vote for. If I get you to vote, that's a W of the sort that we're actually after on this show so I can sacrifice the viewers a little bit to have a conversation with somebody whose mind I can actually change in a meaningful way. I'm not a grifter. I'm not here to just make my Venmo donations. I actually want to influence politics in this country. And I consider talking to somebody like you valuable because we can also mention all the other non- voters watching who maybe are entertained by the show who might be compelled by this type of conversation.
So I I welcome this sort of conversation. Have you been listening since the beginning of the stream today?
Have you heard what we've been talking about prior?
>> Um not today. I have listened to you. I you've been popping up on my for you page and I'll stop in and um and listen.
I not so much today though. No, I've only been here for like maybe 10 minutes before.
>> Okay. cuz cuz we were talking we had a leftist caller at the beginning um and some other some other people popped in and and we were we're talking about this notion that you can be very upset about the system but the fact of the matter is we have this like big emergency going on in the country where where one of the political parties is really working to get rid of the constitutional rights that we do already have the ones that are being respected pretty well for the most part you have freedom of speech in this country for the most part you're safe in your home you know the these it's a it's a big deal if those rights get violated and we have one party that's trying to violate those rights domestically and one party that isn't.
That is a big emergency and it should have everybody's full attention because even if you've got greater ideas about what politics should be. The first caller was a leftist who had some very specific ideas about how he thought politics and and capitalism should work in this country. He thinks that capitalism shouldn't work in this country cuz it's evil. I kind of agree.
But I I I'm just very stuck on the fact that none of none of our convictions about any of that stuff matters if the Republicans win the midterms and keep doing this very obviously evil fascistic [ __ ] that they're working on right now.
They're cooking up some bad stuff. I don't like the next 10, 20 years of American history if they win the midterms. I think this is a this is this this stands to be the most important midterms in American history for that reason cuz I really do think we're in grievous danger of some very very serious regression in in quality of life and civil rights in America and I think that should have your full attention as a voter.
>> I agree you make you make very great points. I think both sides are dangerous in different ways. Again like if you we have you know the Democrats saying democracy is being stolen when they literally steal it. Like we agreed like Hillary pretty much stole that vote from Bernie Sanders and we could have had Bernie Sanders as a president.
>> I don't think that's No, no, no. I'm gonna push I'm gonna push back on that because cuz we can we can look at the Hillary Clinton's no longer in politics.
Bernie Sanders is too old. So these are some pretty stale examples. But we have somebody who's currently in charge who's whose amount of control that he's going to have for the second half of his term is up for referendum in the midterms because the Democrats have an opportunity to potentially win both houses and really neuter the capabilities of Donald Trump as president. And Donald Trump actually did I have to be so careful with Tik Tok to os. He actually did try to s te e a l in election. He sent f a ke electors to try to change the electoral college votes in in in 2020. He did a bunch of flagrantly illegal stuff that there were charges for that got thrown out because the laws changed to make it so that you can't charge the president for these sorts of things in kind of a obviously corrupt we're just going to let him get away with it kind of way. The fact that he tried to interfere with the results of an election in this country indicates to me that he should have been disqualified from participating in politics in this country. That seems like a sensible rule. So, I'm baffled by the fact that you're sitting here saying that Hillary Clinton stole the vote from Bernie, even though she in effect did by dividing the Democratic vote. She just didn't do it in a corrupt or illegal way. She just did it by buming out all the Bernie bros who were excited about him being president, which is the sort of thing that happens in politics.
>> Yeah. I guess I just feel like you're you're telling me I need to kind of vote for the lesser of two evils where I'm at. I just I don't want to vote for any evil at all. Give me a candidate that I actually believe in. Give me >> if you are Look, if you only have food in front of you that tastes bad and you say that instead of having the food that's less bad for you, that's going to give you a less bad tummy tummy ache. I can hear from a human standpoint that it's hard to put food in your mouth that doesn't taste good. But you will starve to death if you don't eat. No, I look at it more like either food I eat is poison. So, I'm just not going to eat at all. That's more of where I'm at. So, and hey, we can agree to disagree, Oscar. Again, I appreciate >> we don't have to we don't have to agree to disagree for long if you starve to death, though. If if cuz I I do I do believe that you'll be, you know, a lot of us are going to be removed from the discussion if project 2025 continues. If if this process of of of removing people's constitutional rights by slowly eroding away by slowly creating Supreme Court president or federal court president or small law changes or executive orders. There were arrests by the FBI this week that were only made sensible by an executive order that a year ago Donald Trump passed labeling all of us terrorists. So now they can make these sorts of charges against people who uh observe ICE agents and try to keep track of their activities here in Minneapolis. That sort of thing is a long process and I'm watching it and I'm concerned and I I just I I I don't think you realize how much danger you are in.
I don't think you realize how much danger we're all in where all of these greater concerns you have just aren't going to matter if we don't fix the problem at hand. That's that's the that's the [ __ ] topic today it would seem. My goodness.
>> Can I ask real quick and then I'll I'll jet out of here. But how old are you, Oscar?
>> 30.
>> 30. Okay. So, not not far off of each other. Well, look, man. Before Donald Trump came along in the picture, man, I was always, you know, it was always rage against the machine, man. The government's bad, the system, all this.
And then, you know, Donald Trump came along and I feel like the machine turned against and now the fingers pointed at Donald Trump and now I'm being told to vote for the system and and and support the system. So, I guess I'm just a little just a little uh baffled here by that. Uh >> you you can be against the system but recognize that you live in the system and you have to engage with it and understand how it works and understand what are possible paths to changing it or fixing it or the leftists want to overthrow it. Like that's we can we can have conversations about that stuff, but the fact of the matter is it is the way that it is and you folding your arms and saying it's bad just isn't helpful. And when history tells of the terrible things that we're potentially in for, whether, you know, history is going to speak darkly of the time that we that we're in right now, I don't want it to get worse. But when that history lesson gets taught, we're going to say that there were complacent Americans who who didn't participate in because they didn't see it affecting them in enough of a way for them to get out there and get and participate, whether that's protesting or or getting organized with their community or voting or whatever it is. Sociologists are going to study how did these people drop the ball and let this happen to them in just the same way as you can read about happening to the German people in books such as Hitler's willing executioners because it is a meaningful sociological psychological question to ask how did the Germans let it [ __ ] happen and I don't think it's constructive to just say that they were all evil cuz I don't think you're evil I just think you're shortsighted and I think that that was the case a lot in Germany when when when Hitler was rising to power when he was when he was really starting to do some bad things for some people there there were a lot of people that weren't so immediately affected by it that they let it happen. And I I I think it's we're just we're we're repeating history. You know, history doesn't repeat perfectly, but it rhymes.
And I'm really concerned about the similarities that I see between your attitude towards this whole problem and the attitude of the the working man walking down the street in Germany in 1935, 1936, 1939.
>> Well, look, man, I mean, not voting is a right as an American, is it not?
>> Yeah. I mean, being there's a lot of ways in which you have the right to do things that I would consider to be reprehensible. You have freedom of speech. You could say a bunch of things that would make me label you a bad person that I would really jump down your throat about. So, I don't really like that defense. Like, you're allowed to be an [ __ ] What's your point?
>> No. Well, I'm just I know. I'm just saying it's kind of contradicting. We're like, "Yeah, American uh freedom of speech, freedom of rights, all this. As an American, I have the right not to vote. I have the until I see a candidate worth voting for, I have the right not to vote." So, you know, everyone in the comments can lose their [ __ ] everyone, >> right? But that's like that's like saying that's like saying if you saw me pulling over to help somebody change their tire, you say, you know, you have the right to keep on driving. You don't have to help them. Like, yeah, you can just fall back on your rights and say that like you're demonstrating your privilege. You're demonstrating that you are a little bit ungrateful of the system you participate in. Cuz correct, you can kick your feet up on your coffee table, you know, relax, play your video games, whatever it is you like doing with your time instead of getting involved in this. you are in fact allowed to do that in just the same way that Germans walking down the street in in the 1930s were allowed to be unconcerned about what was happening to Jewish people around them, what was happening to the other groups that were getting scapegoed. Um, you're allowed to to to behave in a way that's irresponsible. I think that the way that you're behaving is irresponsible. You're also allowed to eat food that'll give you a heart attack. You're also allowed to smoke cigarettes that will give you lung cancer. putting you're putting the state it's like you're putting the state of things like the blame on me when really we should be me and you should be more upset about the system and why again we can be upset about where we're at but we should be upset about how we even got here and that's more of where I'm at here right and I just don't understand how you're sitting here saying that that we should be more upset when you're when I'm upset enough and you're not >> I think we're just I think we're upset in different ways ways and you you're more of the like lesser of two evils guy and I'm just more of the like I'm not going to participate in it at all. I'm not going to vote for they're both again both like both sides are awful. Both both sides are are shitty and everyone's like oh the both sides argument. Yeah.
No, dude. Both >> is one side is one side going to make your life worse than the other.
>> I think both sides have the the capacity to do that. Do you think that it's Do you think that it's possible to make a probabilistic determination about which side is more likely to give you a better life?
>> Wait, I'm sorry. Say that again.
>> Do you like I recognize that it's possible it's a logical possibility that the Democrats would be worse than the Republicans? Like, I can see that. I'm not going to deny that. But, but do you recognize that if you're given the option, if you're given a little bit of power over what happens by voting in this country, that you can look at these two evils and say, "I want the one that's going to make my life less hard.
I want my I personally don't want the one that's going to make my life less hard. I want the I want the one that's going to make everybody's life on average less hard. I'm really thoroughly convinced that's the Democrats in the context of the 2026 midterms in America.
>> Yeah. See, and I just I I just I just disagree. I think if you if put a candidate in front of me that is worth voting for, and I will. And I'm sorry, but I think now we're even getting lazy with like, you know, everyone >> it's worth voting for the candidate that's going to do less harm.
>> Yeah. Okay. See, I think both both parties are are are um capable of harm in different ways. I think Trump and the Republicans are a different harm. And I think the Democrats are also a a different kind of I think they're both they're both trash, >> right? So you're just like you if we gave them a trash score, you're saying they both score exactly the same. They both get 57 trash points and it's a coin toss which is worse. Is that your argument?
>> In different in different ways. Yes. I think they're both parties are dangerous in different ways. Yes.
>> But you think they're perfectly equal.
>> I mean, nothing's perfect. I'm not going to say perfectly equal. I just I don't re >> You think you think you're equal enough that your vote isn't worth casting, which is the whole thing I sit and argue on this show.
>> I think Donald Trump is is dangerous and a piece of [ __ ] in his own ways. And I think same like again we talked about I think Joe Biden uh his mental decline and we both agreed was was not it. I think Harris I think I don't think that's equal. No, no, no, no, no. Here, I'll I'll make those direct comparisons.
Donald Trump is dangerous in some very specific ways. He's actively working against justice for for the victims of sex crimes, which is really, really bad.
He just had this war in Iran that's going to cost us 300 billion dollars in addition to all the death and destruction that's been caused for people foreign and and some of our >> So, your argument is is he's way worse than than the Democrats. That >> Yeah, dude. Like, what what do what is the comparison? And if Biden, if Biden went completely scenile and didn't know what day of the week it was, he was at least surrounded by an administration of people who believe in the Constitution instead of his own cult of personality.
Those are people who would ex, you know, who would do the 25th Amendment if they needed to. Or even if we can argue that they should have and they didn't, if you want to go that direction with it, I can at least say that if they were the making the decisions for him, benefit of the doubt, I'll play, you know, I'll give an inch and watch watch the caller take a mile. If we if we just pretend for a moment that he was not making any decisions and it was the people around him using the autopen to make to execute his authority as the president, that's [ __ ] up. That's terrible. But they're still doing things that are generally in an effort to make life better for people in America as opposed to Trump who is not doing that. He's actively working against the American people. So just cuz you can criticize both doesn't mean it's the same caliber of problem because I simply don't think that. I think that we're in a situation where you can compare Trump's ailing 80-year-old body to Biden's 80-year-old body and recognize that if Biden had, you know, 80-year-olds dropped dead sometimes. If Biden had dropped dead during his term, the person who took his place was still going to be working for his policy positions, was still going to be working for hardworking American people to live the American dream, still working to uplift the poor and equalize all these problems that have existed forever in this country. Whereas when Donald Trump dies, if it happens during his term, we're immediately going to have a less scenile, a less ridiculously insane, a less inconsistent, a less outofouch version of him running the country.
We're going to have JD Vance in the seat with people like Steven Miller and Pete Hexath making the decisions behind the scene without having to put up with Trump being a buffoon who accidentally says uh uh uh classified information on the television all the time. Marco Rubio doesn't have to worry about the president reading his notes live on air on the TV the moment they're handed to him anymore because JD Vance isn't going to do that when he's handed a note because JD Vance is just as evil as Donald Trump. But he isn't [ __ ] scenile. So So Biden being scenile isn't as big a problem as Trump being scenile.
Can you at least recognize that?
>> No, I No, I do I do recognize that, Oscar.
>> Then [ __ ] vote for the one that is less bad. Like come on.
Uh yeah. I mean, dude, I I'm sorry, but I can't uh just Biden wasn't it, man.
Again, I think the Democrat party had a better plan and they could have executed it better, but they fumbled it, man.
They fumbled it. Joe Biden took way too long to get out of the race. They had nobody. So, they propped up.
>> The PR battle was lost. Give me one second. Give me one second, Oscar.
>> They pro They propped up Harris. Harris was a bad represent. has nothing to do with her being black or her being a woman. If they put up an intelligent uh coherent black woman who who could just speak like she couldn't she couldn't speak at all, man. She they put her on there. There it is. Nope. Nope.
I call [ __ ] If you're going to tell me that Kla Harris is less articulate than Donald Trump, I'm going to accuse you of being both a misogynist and a racist. And that can be the [ __ ] topic.
>> See, look at this is what you do. Relax, dude. Relax.
>> I'm not relaxed. It's very upsetting.
I'm allowed to crash out about that.
valid. Dude, after all of this conversation, you arrive at the fact that Kla Harris is couldn't talk. Have you seen Donald Trump talk? Not just lately.
>> I didn't talk either, Oscar. That's why I didn't vote for him.
>> Then why are you [ __ ] talking about Kla Harris's speaking ability?
>> Oscar, I told you I didn't vote for either one of them. And I'm telling you why. I'm telling you that you don't have to sell me.
>> I'm accusing you of it being because she's black and she's a woman.
>> No, that Well, well, you're wrong. So, you can think that all you want. demon then then demonstrate to me that she that what you're saying about her ability to speak and articulate her points is at all reasonable because I don't think that it is.
>> Oscar, relax, dude. Chill out.
>> No, I'm trying to, dude. I'm not I'm not going to relax. It's so after after this conversation felt productive until about 45 seconds ago where I realized that the only reason that none of this matters to you is because she's black and a woman.
Because your argument doesn't make any sense unless it's because of that.
because there isn't a single metric of a person's ability to articulate their point to the public that you could give a point to Donald Trump instead of Kla Harris on. And I beg of you to attempt to do that right now.
>> I already agreed with you that Trump I don't think Trump >> Why did you bring it up?
>> Because I'm telling you why I didn't vote for either one, Oscar, and you're getting your panties in a bunch. So relax. I'm trying >> No, this is serious and I recognize the danger that the country's in because of this mindset. So I'm allowed to be upset about it.
>> This is why Hang on. Hang on. This is why a person like me, a non- voter, doesn't side with either one. Because you say, >> "We're gonna play the game. We're gonna play the game. We're gonna play the game.
>> Talk Oscar."
>> No, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna force you back to something I asked that you do a minute ago. I'm going to I'm going to play the game on the Oscar Quinton show where I hold the guest down and demand that they do what I just said.
Demonstrate to me by any metric that that Yeah. Yeah. It gets a little BDSM on here right now. You're the one on the table.
>> Hold me down and do what you want. The safe word exists in the form of that button. You can click to run away from this conversation, but if you're brave enough to face it, then demonstrate to me that it is a sensible thing to say that Kla Harris is in articulate. If you're comparing her to Donald Trump, I am crashing out and you are running. Did you listen to what I said? Are you going to do what I'm telling you to do?
>> I'm right here, big guy. I'm right here.
I'm calm and just trying to >> demonstrate to me that it is sensible to be concerned about how articulate Kla Harris is when we're talking about her versus Donald Trump.
>> Oscar, for the millionth time, I didn't vote for him for that reason. You said it a moment ago and I'm asking you why you said it a moment ago. That's the topic. Not going to move on from it.
>> I'm explaining to you why I didn't vote for either one of them because I don't think either one of them have good leadership capabilities in different ways.
>> Here, you know what? I'll here I'll give you a moment to collect yourself cuz a bunch of small donations have rolled in.
So, I'm going to read those out. You sit tight and you >> need to collect yourself, man. I'm fine.
>> Then spend Okay, then shut up. Then shut up and be quiet for a moment while I read the donation messages and then think about how you're going to answer the question. Why do you think it is important to consider her ability of articulation when she's up against Donald Trump? That's the question you're going to answer it after I read the donation messages cuz Katie for $2 on YouTube super chat said, "Thankful for Oscar. Scared being a woman in the US."
Katie, I know it's terrible. I'm I'm sorry that you feel that way. I'm I'm [ __ ] trying. Anyway, uh Tim Davidson also sent $2 to say, "How does doing nothing fix anything?" Very good question. I try to answer that on the show all the time. Appreciate you, Tim.
Uh Jacob sent me uh two bucks also to say, "Everyone needs to read the poem First They Came." Maybe we'll do that on the show in just a few minutes. Maybe maybe the caller needs to read that poem. Caller, I do recommend you read that poem. It's about people like you.
Um uh Jazz sent me five bucks to say Trump literally can't string together a sentence above a third grade level. Of all things to critique Kalan, her [ __ ] eloquence is at the bottom. I agree completely and that's why we're going to pin the guest down on it. Did I already read Joseph's $10 cash up? I don't think he did. He said, "Glad for the raids. You deserve the popularity, man." Yeah, [ __ ] Dean Santana and Parker raids today. My goodness. I'm I'm feeling feeling good about my prospects as a debate host. Courtney sent me five bucks on Cash App just to say President Hillary Clinton would have protected Ro v. Wade. Yes, I agree. She would have and that would have been a big W for a lot of people. I'm going to assume based on what he said about Kla Harris. I am assuming here. You can tell me if I'm wrong. Uh I do think that you probably don't value the women uh who are suffering because of over uh Roie Wade being overturned. I I bet that doesn't weigh very heavily for you because I I suspect that in addition to being misogynistic and racist, you're also selfish. I'm going to give you the floor and you can try to defend those things.
I want you to I want you to you've been sitting there chewing on it for a second. So, a moment ago you brought up that Kla Harris wasn't articulate and I said that that was absolutely nonsense if we're talking about her versus Donald Trump because Donald Trump is a buffoon who cannot even finish a sentence. He opens parentheticals that he doesn't close. The guy doesn't make any sense at all. Anyway, explain yourself. Now is your time. You have the floor.
>> Yeah. See, Oscar, this is what I don't really appreciate, man. Uh up until I said that, we were having a nice uh relaxing conversation about it. We seem to be on the same page about a lot of >> I already said that about the conversation myself. I pointed that out and you are still one minute cuz you're not answering the question. I'm going to hold you to the question.
>> Give me one minute to talk. Then I'm just going to get out of here, man. I'm just trying to talk to you button. Even say a sentence button.
>> But if you're going to interrupt me at any time, then yeah, I'm just going to get out of here, man.
>> I'm going to interrupt you if you if you continue to refuse to answer the question, the line of the corner that you're in. If you're not going to address the fact that you said something that obviously demonstrated that you're not reasonable, that you're probably misogynistic, that you're probably racist, and that those are probably the reasons why you thought that Kla Harris was at all a comparable candidate to Donald Trump. If you're not going to answer that line of questioning directly, I am going to interrupt and ask aw, try again. Go >> see. So, I thought you were trying to get people more on your side. When you're going to attack me and call me racist and and sexist, and I don't care about women, this does not make me want to come at all over to your side, buddy, or or vote for your party or anything.
So, you're doing the opposite of what you said here to do.
>> You're dodging. I'm showing people I'm showing people that you are that I'm correct about you being misogyn misogynistic and racist because you're so effectively dodging the question. So, I'll just ask again. Why did you bring up how articulate Kla Harris is?
>> Because that was one of the reasons why I didn't vote for her, which is the same reason why I didn't vote for Trump. So, you can get all your panties in a bunch about Trump. Trump. You're right. I agree with you. That's why I didn't vote for him either because I think he's a dumbass and is also not articulate. But I also think that Kla Harris was not a good candidate and I don't think she I don't think she had good leadership capabilities. Moving on to No, >> defend what you said a moment ago about defend what you said a moment ago about her being in articulate. Now you're bringing up different claims. You realize you realize how indefensible it is. So you're going to leave there. So he ran cuz cuz he realized that it was so nonsensical to bring up how articulate that she is that that he was in a He he got all emotional about I didn't even need to ask for the baby bottles in the chat. They just showed up. Thanks everybody. Georgia sent me $5 on Venmo to say he fell for MAGA propaganda. Kamla isn't articulate as m uh the the Kamla isn't articulate is a MAGA talking point that has no evidence.
Bro has been consuming right-wing [ __ ] Ask him to name three instances. Yeah. Well, that's what I was trying to get him to do. We could look at literally any time Donald Trump has spoken period during his his his term and it would be a demonstration of him being bad at speaking because he's [ __ ] bad at speaking. And he couldn't he couldn't stay on one thing about Kla Harris. He couldn't even tell me why he said that. He wouldn't even acknowledge that he did say that. He knew he was cornered on it. So that was that.
Crystallin sent me $6.66. Oh no. Mark of the beast. She says, "As a woman, I've been terrified since 2016."
Yeah. Yeah. It's [ __ ] [ __ ] bad.
What's happening in uh what's happening in the government? Um did I get everybody? Sorry if I'm missing anybody.
I'm getting a lot of like small donations today. I I don't want to miss anybody. So feel free to spam the chat in the mods to let me know if I missed a donation. Um chat's pretty few. We're going to talk to uh General E. Odd Pit.
New username, new caller perhaps. We'll see. Get double tapping away on the screen. Keep that viewership up. We might break the record today. We got lots of views. How old are you?
>> I am 47.
>> Are you a Trump supporter?
I am not. But I just want to say that guy was a Trump supporter. I think obviously uh he was just too embarrassed to say he was. But I think the whole Sorry for cutting you off. I am just trying to keep the stream oppositional because we got the views up. Uh Bobby Stance paid me $10 on Cash App to say YouTube boy crash out cuz he has to account for others. Yeah. Yeah, I agree.
And oh my god, somebody uh Indigo sent me $20 just with a thumbs up emoji.
Thank you very much for that. Um you guys are, you know, paying my bills.
Cody P257 is our next caller. Are we going to Are we going to keep the debates going? Are we going to have one of these fiery streams? We shall see.
Hello, Elvis Trump. Everybody say hi to Elvis Trump. Go watch his videos. He makes very silly videos. Um, do it later, though. Just follow him for now.
Um, Cody, how old are you?
>> I'm 36.
>> Are you Trump supporter?
>> New Jersey.
>> Um, no.
>> I'm just looking for debates right now, so I'm going to let you go. Um, I might not have friendly time today. When a when a when a show is this uh I I don't do friendly time every day. It's kind of just, you know, I play it by ear. And this is just one of those shows where so much is going on. I feel like I want to keep the fire burning straight till 12:00. Rams with a Z. How old are you?
>> How old am I? 57.
>> 57. Are you a Trump supporter?
>> Absolutely.
>> Why?
>> Multiple reasons.
>> Okay, pick one.
>> Uh, the one that pisses you guys off the most. Let's see. The big beautiful bill.
How's that? Why do you want to pick the one that pisses us off the most?
>> What's that?
>> Why do you want to pick the one that pisses off off the most?
>> Why do I want to pick the one? Because you guys are so unhinged about it.
>> Well, so like there's a lot of things like I could answer. I guess I've never really considered which of my political perspectives is most annoying to the opposition cuz I'm not concerned with upsetting people. Like that does happen on this show, but I'm not trying to do that. I don't want my political perspectives to make the other side unhappy. I don't want conservatives to cry. Conservatives spend a lot of time talking about liberal tears and I find that to be really like hateful and unnecessary. So like do you do you want liberal >> What's the golf coalition? What's the golf coalition you're spewing is just no I want to talk about >> talk about the golf coalition.
>> No, it is my show and I'm going to insist that we talk about you wanting to pick the most upsetting topic. Why is it important for you to upset me?
>> Because it up pisses you guys off.
That's why I think it's funny. I think that makes you a bad person.
>> Okay. Well, listen to yourself, sir.
>> Yeah. I'm saying that I, you know, it's it's unfortunate that politics is so divisive right now and people get their feelings so hurt. I think it's reasonable to get your feelings hurt about a lot of this stuff, but I don't want I would I would but I don't want conservatives to suffer. I want their lives to be good. Do you want liberals to suffer or do you want our lives to be good?
>> I want you guys to suffer.
>> Do you really?
>> Absolutely.
>> You sound a little sarcastic.
>> That's terrible. Why would you want that?
>> National Socialist. Did you know a national socialist, sir?
>> Uh, in what political context are we talking about the 30s in Germany or are we talking >> uh I don't accept the label for the current Democratic party?
>> That's what I thought. That's what I thought. But you accept the label for for the uh I don't know.
>> I'm just going to I'm just going to insist that you answer again. Why is it that you want like half the country to suffer?
>> I just said that to you.
>> Because we're national socialists.
>> Absolutely.
>> I But I don't think I am a natural nationalist.
>> Well, you are. If you're if you voted for the Democratic party and you stand for the Democratic party, you're standing for national socialism.
>> I don't even think it's necessary.
>> I actually don't think I actually don't I actually don't think it's true that if you if you vote for a Democrat that necessarily saying that AOC and Bernie Sanders aren't national socialists.
>> They're Democratic socialists.
>> There you go. They're national socialists. Just Just put it that way.
>> I'm not going to just put it that way because some [ __ ] who wants me to suffer on the internet says so. That'd be very silly for me to do. Why should I put it that way?
facts.
>> What are the facts that lead me to concluding that I should call it that instead of calling it democratic socialism >> because that's what they are. They even said it themselves.
>> I don't I don't think >> if you're voting for that kind of left that that far leftwing [ __ ] that far leftwing ideology then you yourself are the ones that are destroying this country.
>> What branch of the government what branch of the government does AOC work at? What branch of the government does AOC work at?
>> What branch of the government does AOC work at? I don't know. You tell me.
>> Well, she works in the legislative branch, and I think that if you don't understand her job, what her job is, you're not qualified to I don't think that you're qualified to have a good opinion about her.
>> I don't think you're qualified to have a good opinion about her either.
>> I I know I know what her job is, though.
>> Yeah. So do I. But you see how >> No, you didn't. I asked you what branch of the government that she works at, and you said you didn't know, sir.
>> You don't think it's You're talking about You're bringing up politicians, and it and you don't think it's relevant what their jobs are, where they work, what power they have. I didn't say that.
I said she's completely irrelevant.
>> She does have more power in this country than >> a bartender. Dude, she's a bartender.
>> She's a representative.
>> She's a bartender. That >> was a bartender and she ran her mouth to the right person and that's what that's what put her in her position. Yeah.
>> Okay. So, what what was your first job?
>> What was my first job?
>> Yeah. When you were like 22 years old, what was your job?
>> I was in the military.
>> Okay. So, you're just a grunt. Why should I listen to you?
because you don't like military people.
Obviously, >> you chose a path where you don't get to make your own decisions. Why should I listen to your your thoughts?
>> Retired very long time.
>> I think it's a bad argument I'm making against you. I'm just pointing out that it's a bad argument you made against.
>> Uh, no.
>> Did you retire before the age of 50?
>> I'm 30.
>> Yeah, that's what I thought. You still got a whole lot of life to live, don't you? A whole lot of life to learn.
>> Okay. Teach me something with all that wisdom you got.
Let's talk about the golf coalition.
>> No, I want to I I want to talk about I want to talk about why you want liberals to suffer. Why Why do you want liberals to suffer?
>> 300 million's coming from the taxpayers when it's coming from clearly the coalition of the golf coalition.
Clearly, you guys are saying that we are going to pay the $300 billion to [ __ ] to Iran.
>> Well, I guess you do want to talk about goddamn know. Well, it's coming from the the golf coalitions.
>> Who told you that? [ __ ] clowns.
You're a [ __ ] gong show, bro.
>> Who told you that?
>> It's everywhere.
>> It's everywhere.
>> JD, even JD Vance said it.
>> Came out of his own mouth that the taxpayers are not paying for this. This is coming from the the G Coalition.
>> So, so where does >> It's even on the video on my page. You can check it out. There's a video of them on my page that states that.
>> So, they're just saying that, but where does the money actually come from?
What's the chain of custody? The Golf Coalition. Do you know how Golf Coalition is?
>> No, I'm not in front of the PC. Are you not? Type in the Golf Coalition.
>> All right. All right. Let's look at Let's look at this. Uh, Golf Coalition.
Can't spell today.
Golf Coalition. If I Google golf coalition, I get American golf industry coalition. Do you have you have something more specific to?
>> Go get Go ahead and do a little deeper.
>> What do I ask? Go find out the 300 billion that's coming from the Golf Coalition to pay >> Oh man, I I Man, I just had the silliest brain fart. I did type it with an O instead of a U. Uh, the Gulf Cooperation Council is a prominent political economic security alliance comprising of six Arab monarchies. All of those. Yeah.
Um, including Let's see. So, you're saying that it's coming from them and not the United States? Absolutely.
>> Chat, is that fake news? Discord, is that fake news? That's >> according Yeah, that goes against everything I've read about this. Can somebody in the Discord tell me if that's fake news or not? I I don't think that it is. Um, I'll I'll give them a moment to figure that out. Um, Oscar is live is here. Um, sorry. Uh, uh, in the Discord, I've been watching info live, not Oscar is live. Um, um, anyway. Um, yeah. Yeah, you should probably you should probably read up a little bit more on that and >> I I don't know. I don't know, dude. I just kind of trust my my mods in my chat, >> but you're just asserting that and that's just not >> Come back in 10 minutes when you educate yourself.
>> You can come back tomorrow. I'm not going to spend 10 minutes on the show. I for now I'm just going to He's going to run from it. See, I just called him on his [ __ ] cuz I think that what he said was was not true and I was willing to like get a source from somebody on it, but like for [ __ ] sake. Um, let's see. Info live. Uh yeah. Uh I am watching Info Live, but I don't think it matters cuz I it's it's fake news, right? I mean, that's the thing. It's like like Trump is out saying it's fake news that we're giving them $300 billion, even though that's what the agreement he signed says. Like they they have such a control over over the ball sacks of all their constituents that they can just squeeze them a little tighter and whisper what they want the truth to be into their ear and that does the trick, even if they signed a piece of paper that says otherwise. So, I don't know. Katie sent me $5 on YouTube super chat to say AOC was a bartender and a minimum and minimum wage is for high schoolers. Also, MAGA, why don't people want to work? Yeah, I mean, whatever. So, what policies do national socialists want? Caller, uh, says Jazz for $2 on YouTube super chat. We didn't get an answer on that. Will sent me $10 on VMO to say this is New Republic tact Republican tactic to pretend to be both sides sucks. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's just it's all the same. It's all the same arguments every day. We just we just do it over and over and over and over again. Alli sent me $2 to say, "Uh, Rams doesn't want to have a good faith conversation. he just wants to fight and he uh what he thinks you believe in.
That was very clear. Um and he also just wanted me to suffer like he thought it was funny for the like the idea of like liberals suffering. There are very few there are very few Republicans who I I celebrate the misfortune of and they are the true evil monsters running the show.
The everyday people who've been fooled by Fox News. I've got I've got a I've got a really I've got a I've got a big part of my heart reserved for those people cuz I think life is going to be difficult after this and they realize that what they've supported has been so bad for the for the country. So, I just I'm just not hateful like that. Like, it's just it's just that simple, you know? Like, people are people just want people who are in it for the blood sport, right? It's just like um my goodness. We're going to talk to BB. Hopefully, not BB Netanyahu. Um actually, that'd probably be pretty good for the views, but it's probably not Netanyahu. How old are you?
>> 21.
>> 21. Are you a Trump supporter?
>> Uh I'm actually quite the opposite. I'm a Marxist Linist.
>> Oh, well, we're kind of doing that today. Hey, what do you got?
>> Uh, we can talk about >> Well, if you got nothing, that's all. If you got nothing, I will just say that that's kind of my problem with you guys.
I agree with you about a lot of the philosophical stuff. I'm reasonably educated on it. I was way more educated like 10 years ago when I was the president of the philosophy club at the college that I was at. Um, I've since like like lost a bunch of the vocabulary terms, which is why I sometimes have gotten like schooled by Marxist Leninist calling in and like having me fail a vocabulary term like what a voca vanguard party is or something like that. So, I've been brushing up on I've been I've been wiping some of the dust off of all that stuff. But my problem with you guys is that when I ask you directly like what you want to talk about or like what the path forward to get what you want for the world, you got nothing. We spent a half hour with a different leftist who communist today and it was the same thing where I can point out that in the midterms if the Republicans win some very nasty things are going to happen to free speech and it's going to be very hard for you to be a Marxist Leninist and I think that should be important to you. So that's that's the direction I can give you. I still think that for you for self-preservation of your own political ideals for your path forward in politics and engaging with the world. I think it should be important to you that the Republicans don't maintain control of the of the of Congress after the midterms.
I feel like we could argue Democrats are equally as in >> Was that that's just a that's just a Marxist Leninist talking point that has nothing to do with anything I just said.
Do you actually think that the Democrats are going to be as bad for your free speech after the midterms than the Republicans would be?
>> Oh, yes.
>> Why do you think that? That's nonsense.
Be be more convicted, dude. Come on. Do you believe in this [ __ ] or not? Are you trolling? What is this?
He hit the run button. [ __ ] same thing every time. They They just think I'm so stupid for thinking that that the Republicans are going to be worse for free speech than the Democrats. But it's just such a nonsensical, indefensible claim.
What else is there to say about it? My goodness.
Somebody sent me $20. Min, thank you for the $20 on Venmo. He says, "You are an absolute pleasure to listen to. You are open and ready to everyone. I wish I had more to send you. Appreciate you making every little bit counts. It really, you know, like so many people send small donations that add up to me getting to do this full-time. So, if you want to be one of those people, link tree in the bio. But like seriously, it's just, you know, people like I I feel like I'm crowd surfing. Like every little donation is a hand pushing me to the front. And you know, today is one of those days where like, holy [ __ ] Dean Withers was on my show today. Like what?
Um, so yeah, seriously, thank you, dude.
Um, thanks everybody for the donations.
It's It's completely not at all, even slightly negligible. W's in the chat for Noodle. Noodle, come here. Say hi to everybody.
I love my dog. I give her hugs when the Leninists come after me with their silly nonplans.
Thank you, Noodle. Goodbye.
Debbie's in the chat for Noodle. Um, we're going to talk to a default username. Uh, so that's always scary. I got to hover on the disconnect button just just in case it's a child screaming the n-word, which it usually is when it's a default username. That or like a drunk 57year-old. Um, one one of the two. Slow to connect. So, we'll see.
We'll see if this works out. Uh, you know, I'm taking too long. Going to disconnect. Goodbye. Um, we're going to talk to Elizabeth 15. A l i za Beth 15.
Hello.
Are you there? How old are you?
>> Goodbye.
>> We're going to talk to Emily Ray.
>> R E Y S.
>> Hello. How old are you?
>> Hi.
>> I'm 23.
>> 23. Are you a Trump supporter?
>> I am not. But I I have a genuine question cuz >> Sure. You can get a question and we're kind of we're kind of approaching the end of the show, so I'll get loose with it. What's up? Um, so I know Trump is a piece of [ __ ] right? And I know the midterms and everything are coming up and everything.
>> Mhm.
>> I just want to know like what makes what makes JD Vance a better president when if and when Trump gets v gets uh impeached.
>> Yeah, I'll I'll answer that directly.
I'll let let her down just to keep the queue open for for uh for uh Trumpers.
But specifically, it's not that he's any better a person. In fact, I think him just in terms of his own competencies, he actually is more dangerous cuz he isn't a fat 80-year-old who's dying because Trump is obviously that. The the important thing is that if we get Trump removed from office, which by the way everybody is not likely as a result of the midterms, we're probably going to get impeachments if the Republicans win or the Republicans lose the House. So, the impeachment proceedings will happen.
It's unlikely for us to get a large enough majority of uh even whether or not they're Democrats. They just have to be people who would vote for a Trump conviction. So we we a more likely path to Trump being removed from office through impeachment would be if we get some Democratic seats in the Senate, but then like we'd need like 10 or 15 Republicans to also flip to get the 67 votes necessary to get him impeached uh convicted in his impeachment. So that's not very likely. But I will still answer your question that even though I think Vance is worse, were Trump to be impeached or otherwise removed from office like through the 25th, which is I think even less likely, we or or we could just say what if he becomes president next? What if Trump finishes his term cuz we can't get a conviction, but he runs for president and he somehow wins in 2028. He will still become a president that Congress is going to go after if he does illegal and unconstitutional things if we have a Congress that goes after the president for illegal and unconstitutional things.
So, I I'm going to I'm sad that it's more likely that that's not going to happen, that Trump's just going to finish his term. But but right now this situation where where our our entire elected uh population of Republicans are just willing to obey the president instead of the Constitution, that is the problem, not who the president in particular is because as upset as I was about Trump's first term, the checks and balances were kind of working. We just didn't, you know, like it didn't he wasn't able to do very much because people kept him, you know, the other two branches of government kept him in control. We need to fix that so that if Vance is president, he's not as capable a president. We need we need to neuter that capability even though the guy's reprehensible. Even though he's he's in terms of his own capabilities a bigger threat to democracy than Trump. Um but like I said, I actually I'm I'm not at all confident that we're going to we're going to get a successful impeachment conviction. Um we just we just need the checks and balances to come back. That's the bottom line. Uh Camd Camden Long, K D Y N Long, I don't know how to pronounce it. How old are you? Yo >> yo. Hello.
>> Hi. How old are you?
>> I'm I'm 18.
>> What year were you born?
>> 2006.
>> 2006. Does that even make sense? No, that doesn't make sense. Go back. He did the math wrong. We're going to say hi to Iowa golfer.
Howdy.
Teacuped already. Iowa golfer. You're 27. He's a regular caller. What are we talking about today?
Oh, he's teacuping again. I might let you go, Iowa golfer. We've got new people in >> here. Okay, here we go.
>> There you go. There you go. What's up?
>> Oh, nothing. My damn hands free was acting up. So, >> Oh, sure.
>> Get to work.
>> How's it going? But I'm really actually kind of happy for you. You got like 500 people in here. That's awesome. It's cool.
>> Yeah, Dean Dean Wither showed up today, so we we got some stream raids and stuff.
>> Oh, I see. I see. I see. What' you guys talk about?
>> Dean just glazed me and left. That's all that happened.
>> Oh, >> we we've been we've been talking about I think I think the topic today has has been uh that the leftists don't have a plan.
>> Yeah. What was the Now, genuine question. Was it Dean or Parker that was using the N-word that time? Who which one was that?
So, look, I hate to speak on behalf of somebody I just made my acquaintance with, but Dean Withers was recorded in a Discord using the N-word when he was a child.
>> Okay, it was Dean and >> it was when he was a child. And I just I think we need to have allow like there's a reason we we we make so many important changes about how we treat a person when they turn 18. Like, when I think about the bullies that assaulted me in middle school, I've run into those people as adults and I recognize they're not the children that they were when they did that. I just I think we just need to have allowances for children. Ch children do terrible childish things.
>> Yeah. I was just cur I I I remember hearing something about it. I just couldn't remember who it was.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> I think it was Parker for some reason.
But >> I I I don't I don't think it requires explanation or defense. He's not the person he was when he was 14. Nobody is.
And we we draw the line at 18 to to say, you know, it's it's that's when you're a grown-up. I remember turning 18 and telling my friends to stop shoplifting cuz they're not going to call your parents anymore. They're just going to take you in. Like we just we have to we as a society have to draw a line somewhere and if you know if he if he was 17 and 11 months old there's an argument for whether or not he's still that same person and like because the line gets blurry but he was 14. I'm just not interested. I I don't remember the horrible jokes I was telling when I was 14. I bet they were bad. I bet they were embarrassing.
>> Yep.
>> Yeah. For sure. For sure.
>> Now I I got a question for you now. So, you were talking about you said, okay, you were saying something. God damn it, I already forgot. I've been so goddamn sleep deprived the past couple day or past couple weeks. But you said >> everybody congratulate Iowa golfer.
You've been a father for what? Two weeks.
>> Uh, three weeks now. He's my second. I got two under two. So, I'm in the trenches.
>> No. Be proud. Be proud of how exhausted you are cuz if you weren't sleep deprived, I would worry I would really worry for your wife. So, >> yeah. No, it's a good time. Yeah. Um, >> but uh, which one is it? You just said you were talking to Dean about the unpopularity of Democrats or what it was.
>> Well, I he he came in and he was watching a conversation that I was having with a leftist and the leftists hate both the Democrats and the Republicans. They think they're equally as bad often. And I think that's a very silly position. I think that uh the Democrats are a safer path forward for those people because the Republicans are going to try to put them in jail and the Democrats aren't going to try to do that. So Dean Dean heard me have a conversation with somebody about that and he he just came up to he just hopped in for a moment to compliment me on it.
>> Got it. Okay. That's what it was then.
Okay.
>> And you and he does that he I assume he did that to give me a little boost cuz Dean hopping on the show for 5 minutes brings a lot of traffic to the show cuz people who follow Dean then see that he's live when they click on it it brings them to my show instead of his show. So you know I w Dean for the shout out today.
>> Awesome.
>> W Dean dude that's awesome.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um, but if you don't remember your question, I am going to move on cuz >> I do remember my question. I I do remember my question now.
>> What was it? What was it?
>> No. Um, so I I think I tend to agree with you that there are a lot of people who voted for Trump for the wrong reason because they are racist or bigoted or sexist people. But overall, I don't remember how many people voted for each candidate. I don't believe that everybody who voted for Trump is a horrible person or voted for him for the wrong reasons. Overall, why do you think people Why do you think Trump won the election over Miss Harris?
>> I I think that the the thing that I'm most concerned about cuz I could talk about when you have an election that's even halfway close and we can call the election close because all of the swing states were close. Like the second most likely outcome, the first most likely outcome and the second most likely outcome were all of the swing states going to one of the candidates. So it's even though even though the electoral vote was pretty wide, the actual tipping point for what happens because the states how those states perform relate to one another like it was a pretty close election. We can pick any particular thing that would have swayed 2% of the vote and say that that's the reason they lost because if we fixed any one of those things it would have pushed that 4951 to be the other way around or whatever exactly the math is. It doesn't matter. But the big one that I really focus on on this show, and I think part of it is just that it's the one that I see as the most wrong with what's going on in American discourse, is that the Republicans lie in a way that's truly unique to their party. The Democrats get caught lying all the time. It happens.
But they don't generally run platforms that are based entirely on [ __ ] Whereas Trump's entire campaign was based on [ __ ] It was based on lies about immigrants. It was based on lies about how the billionaire class influenced the economy. It was based on the lies about the things that the Democrats are doing in politics, which a lot of the things they were saying the Democrats do. The the few of those things that were true were the things that also the Republicans do. They they were the twoway street things. So specifically, I think that people walked into the voting booth misinformed about how the world works. If you walked into the voting booth thinking that illegal immigrants are causing a bunch of murders that are like really disproportionately a large number of them compared to how many illegal immigrants they are or if you if you walk into the voting booth convinced that they're very bad for the economy and they're the reason the minimum wage hasn't gone up or because the reason the jobs market is bad or something like that. If you believe that with your heart, I can forgive you for for voting for somebody who's going to address that. But I think you were wrong because the fact of the matter is that illegal immigrants are not dangerous in that way. Not at all. So, I I just think it's misinformation. I think misinformation is the is the biggest one. I think across the board, Democrats believe things that are generally mostly true, close estimates to the truth, and then the Republicans run on platforms of like tabloid level, like middle school rumor nonsense.
>> So, do you think the Democrats should spend more time calling out Republicans for being liars, or do you think they should spend more time pushing their own >> agendas? What do you think they What do you think the Democrat What do you think that So, I actually have a two-part question here.
>> What should the Democrats do moving forward to ensure that they don't lose the next election? And who should they run for the 2028 presidential election, do you think?
I'm I mean, personally, I've given my endorsement before, but I it kind of packages all the answers into one because I think it's really important that that that politicians and newscasters, who I'm also pretty upset about for allowing this misinformation thing to happen. I walk through life wishing that they all engaged in these conversations in the way that I do. I've put the screws to you before, Iowa golfer. You have been you have been at the uh you know, at the end of my pitchfork in terms of being held down on something you believe. And I just don't see enough of that in our discourse.
There's very few uh media correspondents that do it and there's very few politicians that do it. But one politician who does do it is Kelly from Arizona. And my my fans know Oscar Quinton is incapable of remembering whether his first name is Mark or Scott.
Is it Mark?
>> Mark Kelly.
>> Mark Kelly. Scott. Kelly's the astronaut. They're twin brother. They're identical twin brothers with a similar rap sheet. But one of them is is the is the senator from Arizona where he's generally wellliked. He's one of the the Democratic representatives that Trump uh called for the executions of when he when he made the video saying that it would be uh a violation of their oath if members of the military failed to disobey an unlawful order. Obviously alluding to an unlawful order given by Trump, but they didn't name Trump in the video. They just reminded them of their oath. Said, "Hey, you guys took an oath.
You got to disobey illegal orders."
Trump called for their executions for that. And Mark Kelly being the astronaut that he is, I think an astronaut's one of the most difficult jobs there are on the planet, even though it's not on the planet. Uh, and then he also has a service record. I think he's the type of nononsense character with the type of service history that can get middle- of the road centrists or Republicans to vote for him as a lesser of two evils to get away from the evils of the Republican party. And his nononsense attitude is in alignment with mine. The guy the guy is difficult to talk to if you're spewing [ __ ] And that's what we need from our Democrats right now.
>> Yeah. So, do you think that if you're looking for like middle of the road people, you know, JD Vance, he served as well. He was a Marine. So, I mean, do you think that I >> Yeah, but JD Vance is evil. I don't think Kelly is I do kind of think the future of the party the I do kind of think the future of the Republican party is Vance. I don't know that for sure, but it's kind of looking that way because >> I think he lacks the charisma.
>> And I do just want to Trump is >> Well, yeah, and that's probably why they picked him to like balance out the ticket. But I do I do just want to answer something in the chat, which is that like Kelly is not all that progressive, so he's in disalignment with me on a lot of stuff. But again, my longtime viewers know I'm hyperfixated on practical, pragmatic approaches, which is why I was okay voting for Biden in 20 2020. Yeah. In 2020. Um because as you know, I wasn't excited about him, but I was excited about the fact that he could beat Trump and he did the first time. So that's what I think about Kelly, but he hasn't announced a run yet. We don't know if he's going to run. Yeah, for sure. So, do you think that one thing and so I've actually talked to my grandpa about this. My grandpa's a very staunch Democrat. Always has been. Uh he's kind of one what I would call the old school Democrat. I mean, he he's just kind of one of the old Democrats that never really switched after they went to kind of a more progressive, more left-leaning.
Um, and I talked to him about it and he was even saying that if the Democrats became more normal, and when I say more normal, if they quit playing identity politics all the time, he thinks that they would win a lot more than what they actually do.
>> Yeah. I mean, it's I I appreciate you thinking that way. Like, it's it's it's we we just have to think practically about it. and and like to follow like the chat is kind of getting to the same place as me where it's like I would love to push the like AOC for president or something extreme like that, but we're not going to make that type of progress by 2028 in terms of getting the public excited about more left-leaning ideologies than the current establishment Democrat party is going to do. But I really got to push back on the idea that dem that that JD Vance is going to be anything other than a puppet for whoever's in charge of the Heritage Foundation's project 2025 to have their fist up his ass talking for him and saying what you know having him say what they want him to say. I I I think that if JD Vance becomes president, he's going to be taking orders from Steven Miller and Pete Hegsth and Marco Rubio.
>> I I never Oh, you said what the chat was saying. Okay.
>> Well, yeah. I I I'm just I'm just saying that I think that that that your I think that your perspective on JD Vance is too charitable.
>> Oh, but what I was asking is do you think that if the Democrats moved away from identity politics that they would become more popular?
>> Oh, sure. Yeah. Well, you've brought you've brought me that before and no, I I just think that the identity politics are too important. I think that I think that we I'm not going to I'm not willing to to to to seed the battle on identity politics to to make it more likely for us to win because the whole reason I think it's important that we win is because of the identity politics. If we lose the midterms, it's the people who are subject of the identity politics discourse, trans people, minorities, gay people. It's going to be these groups that are that are that are fighting for their their equal rights right now and have been for a long time who are going to immediately be subject of the next steps in this fascistic process. So no, I don't I I I I think that to drop to drop the identity politics is both to do those people a disservice, but also to fail to recognize that those people are being scapegoed for the bigger problem that's going to affect all of us. So it's just misguided to think that's not important.
>> Yeah. So the one thing that the biggest issue that I have with it and he even agreed with me on this right is that when when it comes to identity politics is it it includes the minorities which is important you know no minority or no no minority of people should be left out of the election process or politics in the United States but the biggest problem is is you know you see people going and doing you know saying that you know I'll be I'll be the best president for the African-American community or whatever, or the Asian community or the trans community, something like that.
But if you saw somebody, you know, say you saw a Republican running saying, "I'll be the best president for the white community," they would be up.
>> I have a direct answer to this. I have a direct answer to this. And a lot of the time when I'm talking to like the Phil Bros and some of the nastier callers, I I kind of keep secret that this is one of these like 20th century philosophical ideals, but I I I trust that you're willing to hear me out on this, Iowa golfer, cuz I just I've just spoken to you so much. I think you'll hear it.
there is an ethical principle that me as a philosopher that I subscribe to that answers directly your concern here. Um and there's basically there's this guy RS who who was an ethicist. He he wrote you know philosophical papers and books about ethics and his position was that it is okay to have a rule that is unfair if the person who benefits from the unfairness if the group that benefits from the unfairness is already disadvantaged. So the difference between those two is that because the because white people in this country have the advantage because of institutionalized racism and all these other things I could bring up, it's obviously shitty to give them more of a boost. But to say, "Hey, things have been pretty unfair for the minority in this country forever.
Maybe we should have a politician who's willing to say, "By the way, minorities, I want to give you guys some special attention because your situation has been so [ __ ] up and dire for so long."
I consider that ethically acceptable because they were they were at the beginning the less advantaged group. I subscribe to Ralian ethics where you are allowed to be unfair if the person benefiting from the unfairness is somebody who was already in an unfair situation.
>> Yeah enough. Okay. I guess I'm just curious on your view on that. Like I said, because I think you would agree with me that if some Republican or even a Democrat came out and said that, you know, I'm going to be a great president for everybody. And even if they just had everybody, including the white community, there would be a riot. It's just something that simple, they would just be burning buildings and flipping cards, >> right? Well, yeah. Because it doesn't it doesn't meet that principle of like, you know, it's unfair to give somebody food because they didn't prepare and bring a lunch. But if you're in a room with 10 people cuz you have a board meeting and somebody forgot to bring a lunch and you and you know you have a big sandwich.
You can just say, "Oh, you know what?
I'm going to make a rule change.
Normally I don't give things away for free. Normally you have to bring your own lunch." You're the only one here who doesn't have a sandwich. That's a little shitty. That's a bummer. Maybe maybe it wasn't their fault. Maybe they dropped their sandwich while walking up the stairs and it got destroyed. like whatever the thing is, you can just do the unfair thing and give them half of your sandwich because you can look at that ethically and say that this is an unfair rule change for how I manage my ownership of this sandwich that benefits the least advantaged group, which is the one person in the room who doesn't have a meal. And that's basically what we're doing with food stamps.
>> Yep. So now would you agree that with like um going back in history right when we had you know white candidates on both sides running and going and saying you know I will do what I can to help you know the black community or the trans community or anything like that but they don't share they're not those people would you can I would kind of consider that tokenizing. Wouldn't you? Because they don't live those experiences. They don't know those experiences >> and they're just kind of tokenizing them. You're saying that to like to try to appeal to those people is tokenizing them?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Well, you could argue. Okay. So, you could argue that I do that if I went up here and and ignored what those people said when I made my arguments about them. But when I when I make my arguments about what I think is best for the communities that I don't identify with, I really keep my ear to the ground on what they want. I had a caller the other day who said that Trump that that I was like racist for not wanting Trump to send the military into like the National Guard into Chicago to fight crime. And my answer was straightforwardly, the people who live there, the black Americans that you're talking about who you're saying that he's fighting crime in their neighborhoods, do they want the National Guard there, do they like that as a solution to their crime problem? Do they feel terrorized by that? These are important questions that we can answer by [ __ ] talking to these people. So if you just talk to these people, you take in their perspective and and you and you really try to have a worldview that respects what they have to say about the plight that they're going through, that's not tokenizing to say, you know what, the black people are getting mistreated. I'm going to say a bunch of stuff that to maybe my audience sounds good. Sounds like Oscar really wants to support the black community. If I was doing that, that would be tokenizing. But >> I got my wife. My wife just text me. I got to let you go. I I appreciate your time.
>> You go take care of that baby. Iowa golfer.
I'm going to let Yeah, I'm let him go.
But yeah. Yeah. It's just I I I just Yeah. The difference between tokenizing and like actually advocating for people is is like I get in trouble for calling black Trump supporters or Hispanic Trump supporters race traders, which I do confidently on the show all the time.
And it and I think it's people who grates on their ears because they consider it tokenizing. But I I just I just think it's so obviously true based on what I know about what's going on for minorities in this country that I just think it's fair to say and I'm willing to defend it. And you know, some people don't like me for it. Some people think it's racist of me to do that. Some some people think it's it's bad, but I'm willing to say something slightly controversial because I have to pick a lane on that. And if you ask me the question, Oscar, true or false, do you think a black Trump supporter is a race trader? I'm just going to be honest and tell you the truth, which is yes, I think so. I think necessarily um you can be I mean, maybe they're mistakenly a race trader. Maybe if they were better educated, they wouldn't be race traders, but they are they are still performing treason against their group that is being disadvantaged by the administration. Um so yeah, uh no more callers. So, I'm just going to take a moment to talk to you guys. I've got some people to thank. Jean sent me $15 on Venmo to say, "All MAGA supporters that have called have the condescending tone of a preacher who can't see the log in their own eye, but will hard zone in on the speck in everyone else's. Keep it up, Oscar. Make them all run away."
Yeah. Yeah. That's that's I think a fair assessment of uh of how it tends to go.
they they they you know they they they have such a proud relationship with some particular point, some particular thing that is often not even all that nuanced and they just you know they're missing the forest for the trees on a lot of these issues. Um so I'm trying, you know, I'm a white guy. I I I live with privilege. I live a very privileged life. I don't have to worry very much walking down the street about anything. You know, police officers are generally very nice to me when they interact with me. And that's even true when I'm out there like protesting law enforcement. Like that's people talk about how why it's like there aren't you don't see as many people of color actively out on the street protesting ICE or protesting law enforcement. And it's like well [ __ ] duh. Like they're they are reason for good reason. They are more afraid. It's more risky for them to do that. So for me as like a you know as a white person I have to exercise my privilege in a way that is ethical. You know I have to live with privilege in a way that's ethical.
If I'm going to abuse my privilege, I want to do it in a way that RS would would support. I'm not going to use my privilege to like make to benefit myself, that would be unfair from the Rsian perspective. Um, but if I'm going to use my privilege to go like get in the face of a police officer and like make exercise my first amendment right in a way that somebody who has a different skin color is going to be afraid of, um, like that that to me like passes the the Rian test. So, it's an interesting question Iowa Golfer asked.
and knowing him personally because I've spent hours and hours talking to the guy like I kind of think that that I expect that he said fair enough and when he says fair enough I I think he means it.
He's he's a good faith caller. I know I know people get frustrated by some of his beliefs but I think that when Iowa golfer says fair enough on my show it's cuz what I've said landed with him and I' I've gotten him to change his mind on some stuff. Um so that's the Oscar Quinton show for today. Um W's go to some of the bigger guys because we had Dean and Parker and Santana give the show a raid and Dean popped by. That was pretty exciting. Um, I was a little star struck on the show. I hope I hope I kept it together. I'll see you later in the VOD. Um, thanks for the support everybody. Link tree in the bio to follow me on the other platforms to to keep all the accounts healthy and you know, Venmo, Cash App, buy me a coffee and Patreon are the ways to support the show directly. And those revenue streams are paying most of my bills in addition to some ad revenue from YouTube and like the memberships and stuff. Oh, and this Sunday, um, having Tom Evans, uh, on the an evening show that is going to start, so at 7 p.m. Central time, there will be a weekly evening show on Sundays. And the first guest is going to be Tom Evans, a local crazy person who is running for governor. I plan on having controversial guests. Uh, also Minnesota Angry Family eventually, if their lawyers sign off on it, they want to come on. Chris definitely wants to come on. Um, but their lawyers are reticent, so that's that's kind of in the works.
Um, but yeah, so that's going to be starting up. So stay tuned for that.
After that, after the Sunday evening show, there's going to be a members only stream, which is just kind of a hangout.
It's not really going to be political content because I don't want to pay wall that type of stuff. But if you just want to hang out and ask me some questions, shoot the [ __ ] in like a non there's not going to be pressure for the stream to perform. So, it will actually just be a chill stream where I can have dead air reading the chat and engaging with everybody. Um, and that'll be available to the $5 members on the various platforms. So, uh, if you want to participate in that, become a $5 member somewhere. And that'll happen after the show Sunday evening at 7:00. But we're going to continue doing the show 10 to 12 central time every single day until I get sick of this and want to go camping, which is going to happen at some point this summer. So, I will be taking 3 or 4 days off at some point to go camping because yes, I need to I need a [ __ ] break.
Um, thanks everybody for hanging out.
Goodbye TikTok. I will see you tomorrow at 10 o'clock central time. W's in the chats before we go for all the mods because the mods make everything happen.
Um, yeah, Wods. Goodbye everybody.
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