This video presents a comprehensive debate on whether Black Americans should receive reparations for historical injustices including slavery, Jim Crow, and systemic discrimination. Proponents argue that Black Americans deserve reparations based on the $10-15 trillion in wealth extracted from enslaved labor, the $25 trillion spent on the War on Poverty, and the $2 trillion Black Americans contribute to the economy annually. They cite studies showing employment discrimination and the need to close a 250-year racial wealth gap. Opponents argue that reparations are impractical, that Black Americans should focus on self-determination and community building, and that other groups like Japanese Americans and Haitians received reparations without leaving their countries. The debate explores alternative approaches including community banking, land acquisition, and diaspora solidarity, while addressing concerns about government responsibility, moral authority, and the practical implementation of reparations.
Volcy Debates 6/19/26 | BLACK AMERICANS SHOULD RECEIVE REPARATIONS
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Uh, for the person who just requested, uh, for the person who just requested, um, let me see who was just there.
All right. So, I did see someone request. I think you dropped. I'm not sure why, but go ahead and request again and I'll bring you up so we can go ahead and have that conversation. All right.
All right. We're going to go ahead and bring up Soul.
And we have a Byron. Soul, how's it going? Are you at least 18? And did you agree or disagree with what I have on the board?
>> I agree.
>> All right. Cool. Awesome. Happy Junth, bro.
>> Same to you.
>> All right. All right. Um, now, um, this is more for off opposition, but you're more than welcome to stay up because yesterday it got crazy and you know how that go. Uh, you know, I mean, you know, you know how that go. But, uh, just give me one second. Soul, uh, let me, uh, talk to Byron real quickly. Uh, let's see. Byron, how's it going? Are you at least 18? And did you agree or disagree with what I have on the board?
>> Yeah, I'm I'm 42 and I agree with uh, what you have on the board. Oh, >> I I just You just got to let me ask one thing. I I want to ask you one thing. Do you mind?
>> Sure.
>> All right. So, check this out.
Today at work, it's declared a holiday, right?
>> Mhm.
>> So, I'm sitting there and I see like everybody get off work early before me and they're letting them go because of this holiday.
And then I'm sitting there looking at everybody outside playing while I'm working on the holiday that represents my people historically. I felt like that was messed up. Am I wrong to feel that way?
They let people out on a on a holiday, but you still had to work, >> right? So, just think about it. They say, "Okay, we're going to make this a national holiday, >> so we know it's not going to be busy."
So, if you request off, we're going to let people go off, get off, um, you know, we're just going to go down the list or whatever.
>> Mhm.
>> And then you end up working all day when it's actually your people's holiday historically.
>> So then you're actually watching. So, you're actually watching the people that enslaved your people get off work while you're still sitting there chained up working. So, how do you feel about that?
>> Yeah, I I I I feel that that um that black people, specifically black Americans, should uh be able to get that day off to tell you the truth. You know what I mean? Like, now if us from the diaspora want that day off, that um that could that could be an option. But yeah, I think black America should have that day off definitely because they give it for um like I think uh what's that Jewish holiday like Yam Kapoor or something like that. They give it for that. I think some days in even Ramadan they um you can you can call off. I think if I'm not mistaken, don't don't quote me on that if I'm not mistaken. I think even then you can call off too. So why not this? It that should definitely be a thing for for black Americans to get that day off. And uh and hopefully I mean hopefully that could be the case, right? Because that's something that you're noticing. I'm pretty sure a lot of people notice that, you know what I mean? So, uh, that that could be a that could become a thing for black Americans to get that day off. Yeah.
>> Well, what ends up happening is like the upper departments, like they'll all have it off, but the people that are in the lower departments >> don't have it off.
>> Typically, typically won't have it off.
>> And the people that you'll find that are in those lower departments are usually typically the people that are of melanated skin tone. Mhm.
>> So it ends up only benefiting the people that were the the ones that have them working still right now.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Basically, >> it's crazy.
>> Well, thank you. That's all I want.
That's all I wanted to bring up. I'll drop in. I agree with you.
>> Not a problem. Hey, I appreciate you.
Definitely get drop me a follow because we're going to be doing this all weekend and yesterday was crazy. So, definitely stick around because you know it's going to get crazy again. But I appreciate you, man.
All right, y'all. We're just going to go ahead and wait for anybody to to to come up. I did get some people quick last time. Um, someone did request up. I'm not I'm not sure what happened to that person. Um, they asked, you know, how would that even look or how would that even work? That's already been calculated. Uh, I think it was Sandy Darity that calculated it about about I think he said about 10 to 15 uh trillion dollars. Now, that sounds like, you know, impossible, like a lot, right? But we saw during the COVID years that Trump injected 4 trillion into the economy out of nowhere. Our military budget is already at a trillion. You know, I mean, we spend this already, y'all. And it's not like it it has to happen all at one time. You can do $1 trillion a year until it's all paid off. That's that's not impossible, right? So, I I've always wonder they just gave they just gave 3.5 billion to Iran. So, >> yeah. I mean, you find money for wars but can't feed your poor.
>> The poor. Exactly. Hey, you and this kind, >> you know what I'm saying? It's just it's just kind of these things where right away they feel like they're taken from us, >> but the problem is that they don't understand that the wealth and the gain that has been going from what they have gained from the sacrifices of somebody else >> has built an astronomical amount of money. now you can't give it. But then again, you they they want to say, well, you know, they'll tell us right away, well, we should give it to the people that are dealing with that. But if we go to and we see that in the 80s, the reparations that were given to the Hiroshima Nagasaki people, >> they they did it. But in those years after Hiroshima Nagasaki.
>> Exactly. And again, they they want to say, "Well, we should gave it to the people that were dealing with it." Okay, Jim Crow still happened in the 60s. You still got people dealing that have to deal with that >> kid. Ruby Bridges is still alive. She got an Instagram.
It's insane, right? I'm I'm I'm sorry.
So, we're going to I'm going to get you in a second. We're going to get back to you in a second. I just want >> Yeah, shut up.
>> No, no problem. No problem. I just want to get to the other ones. Of course, you could chime in because you are a black American, so this uh involves you like more than involves me. So, I just want to get to the other guest. All right, give me one second. All right. Um, Brad Pit, how's it going, Brad? Are you at least 18? And did you agree or disagree with what I have on the board?
>> Oh, I absolutely disagree 100%.
100,000%.
>> I got you, Bre. Give me one second.
Okay. Um, uh, Pimp Juice, are you at least 18? And did you agree or disagree?
>> Oh, yeah. I'm almost 40. And I actually agree. Agree. Okay, cool. Uh, stay up here for me. All right. Uh, Salet, I see you up there. Sal, are you at least 18?
And did you agree or disagree?
>> I am 18. I disagree.
>> Disagree. Okay, cool. All right, guys.
Um, now Soul and uh, Pimp Juice, they're they're kind of on my side of this.
Let's not try to jump um, Bread or or Salet. So, uh, guys, give me a second.
I'm going to talk to him for a few minutes and then we're going to get to you guys. All right. All right. So, Brett, how's it going? Um, you said you did disagree. I'm going to put some time on the clock for us to speak. You'll talk to me for at least about 10 minutes and then you'll talk to the those who disagree with you. Okay.
>> All right. So, so good.
>> Uh, you said you disagreed. Why do you disagree down?
>> Well, first we have to define. Are you uh American or are you Haitian? Because you have a Haitian flag.
>> I I am Haitian. My parents were born in Haiti. I was born the in the United States.
So, which one do you like uh like gravitated towards more Haiti or America?
>> Um, because I was raised in the culture.
I think culturally I'm I'm more uh Haitian but with an American flavor. Um, black American c, you know, influenced the way that I speak, the way that I dress, a lot of my mannerisms, all that came from black American culture. So even though I speak, you know, Haitian Creole and I still eat Haitian food and everything like that, uh the way that I move through um through life has been influenced heavily by black American culture.
>> So question if if if I think Haitian in the past was like in 18 I think 1804, right?
>> Correct.
>> So you've had no YT influence. Why aren't you living in Haiti right now?
I'm live I'm not living in Haiti right now because my parents moved here in the se 1977 um uh at the point where things in Haiti were very very tense and the dictator at that time was taking out opposition party so my parents had to flee my dad was opposition party and all that he was a college student so he had to flee and um my mom her parents just wanted a better life for her so they just sent her away. Oh, so they so they wanted a better life. So they flee from an all black area to a more majority white area. Correct.
>> Well, they they fled to where there was more opportunities and had proximity. So yeah, that was >> so a more like a more European like based society. Correct.
>> It wasn't about it being European. It was about the opportunities. I'm not sure this has reparations for black Americans though.
>> Oh. Oh. Well, well, the thing is is I'm trying to set like some kind of foundation because >> No, there's no foundation. There's no foundation. There's no foundation here.
This is about black Americans. This is about them deserve reparations. My parents and the reason why they came over here have nothing to do with that.
>> I know you can't handle the heat. Okay, but moving on.
>> No, I'm handling the heat just fine. I'm just saying that what you're talking about has nothing to do with the subject.
>> Oh, sure it does. Because you have a Haitian flag in your name.
>> Irrelevant.
Irrelevant. Irrelevant. Brett Pit. The question is, black Americans deserve reparations. Me being Haitian and saying that my cousins in America deserve reparations have jack [ __ ] to do with that. The reason my parents came over have jack [ __ ] to do with that. You said you disagree with black. Hold on. Okay.
Okay. You said you disagree with black people with black America's gay reparations. The question is the on the uh the question then becomes why me being Haitian has nothing to do with that.
>> Okay. Okay. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. So, so the war on poverty, do you know how much uh the government, the United States government has invested in the war on poverty since the 1970s? Do you know?
>> A lot.
>> But I mean, what's a lot?
>> No.
>> I'm trying to see if you know things.
>> Yeah.
>> What's a lot mean?
>> A lot means multi-billions. What's your point?
>> No, not multi-billions. Multi- trillions. Do you know?
>> No, I think it's multi-billions. Um, >> I mean, you should know these things if you're going to have these prompts.
Correct. How much was spent on the war on poverty?
>> 25 trillion. I'll give you that. Okay.
$25 trillion.
>> About 25 trillion. Yeah.
>> As of >> Yes.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So >> 25.
>> Okay. So So So what do you think the black Americans deserve in reparations?
Go ahead.
>> Do you think blackness is synonymous with poverty bread?
>> He probably does. So um give me give me one second. Uh Anita, I'm I mean Annie, I'm I promise I'm going to get you in on this. Uh yeah. So, um, black Americans as far as what what Sandy Darity was able to calculate is about $800,000 to each family.
>> Okay. So, so the thing is is let's calculate these. So, there's about 157 million.
>> So, so again, so we've spent just alone on the war on poverty, we spent probably 25 trillion. Now, what do you think black Americans today on average have put back into the US tax base system on average every year? Go ahead.
>> I don't know.
What's the percentage? Like like you know how flawed these stats are because you think blackness is synonyominous.
No. You think blackness?
>> No. No.
>> No. That's not facts. That's propaganda.
Because you think poverty is synonyominous with blackness and it's not. Black people in America couldn't even access the New Deal. They couldn't access Gib. They couldn't access these things. So these information pause everybody. Pause.
Pause. Yes, you can. Uh, you can talk to me. The fact um you said how much percentage are they putting back into the tax base? The problem is um bread is that this still has nothing to do with reparations because how much how much how much how much they put into the tax base is irrelevant because the Japanese got reparations. And hold on, shut up for a fact. For a second, the Japanese got reparations. Shut up for a second.
The Japanese got reparations and they don't put as much into the tax base as black Americans or white people, but they still got reparations. So asking how much they put into Shut up. Asking how much they put into the tax base is irrelevant. And now not only that, poor people, people who are who are disproportionately poor are always going to put less into the tax base. The question that you need to ask is why are black people disproportionately poor?
>> Uh usually because they have an average low IQ. I mean that's just you have Asians.
>> Correct. Yeah, I know it correct.
>> No, it's incorrect. Where's that where does that information come?
>> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
>> Where? Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop.
>> Where does the information come from?
>> I'm going to tell you, hold on. Relax.
>> No, no, no. Relax.
>> Listen to my question. Computer. Bread.
Brad, be quiet for a second. I know about the race and IQ thing. Everyone knows about that. That's not the point.
I asked you, Shut up for a second. I asked you where does the information come from?
>> Are we going to say from WT man?
>> That's not what I'm just answer the [ __ ] question guy.
>> What is Hold on. Just give me just give me a second. Relax. I'm going to get you.
>> Hey, Bread. Bread. Bread. Bread. You're not smart anybody.
>> Where does the entire the entire race and IQ thing where does it come from?
>> Wait. So again, so so what we have >> answer the question, dude. Answer the question.
>> I'm trying to help.
>> No, you're not. You're not trying. Okay, this this what we're gonna do, Brett.
>> Number one, you're not helping anybody.
Number two, you're not a teacher. Number number three, you're not smarter than anybody. You being white and us having opposite um political uh spectrums does not mean you're smarter than anyone.
Stop that. That's number one. Number two, answer the goddamn question. The entire thing of race and IQ. Who came up with that? Who was it? Do you know?
>> Wait, are we going to say the YT man?
>> Answer the [ __ ] I'm going to ask Brad. Brad, I'm going to give you one more chance to answer the question and I and I swear we're just going to go ahead and move on because you're up here to play around.
>> Race and IQ. Race and IQ. Race and IQ.
Race and IQ.
Who were the people that came up with that? Do you know?
>> So, are we going to talk like back to the 1400s?
>> I mean, I do, but you're smarter than me because you white. I'm a black woman.
But I want He's asking the question, >> he's asking you the question. I can answer the question for you, but you know, I'm black. I'm not smart or whatever. Um, so yeah, answer the question.
>> Answer the question. Who was it?
So, why do you guys keep muting me?
>> I keep muting you because you're not answering the question. The people who came up the the the two scientists or so-called scientists that did the whole race and IQ thing, who were they? Do you know their name?
>> I can't remember off the top of my head.
>> It was Lynn and Rushton. Richard Lynn and Rushton. I forgot the first name of Rushton, but the first Oh, Richard Lynn.
>> Who wrote the bell curve? It was Richard Lyn.
>> No. No.
>> It was Richard and Rush who wrote the bell curve.
>> No. Hey, listen. Stop. You're the one who brought up Race and IQ. The people who who proposed that was Richard Lynn and J.R. Rush. Hold. Shut up.
>> The people who did the entire Racing IQ thing, who made it popular was Richard Lynn and Rush. I forgot Rush's first name. I'm going to look it up right now.
But Richard Lynn and Rushton, the ones who wrote the bell curve curve.
>> Shut the Shut the hell up. Shut the hell up. Stop interrupting.
>> The ones who came up with it was the one who wrote the bell curve. The problem with that is that their data was not only outdated, but they also threw threw in um factors. They also um tried to say that this is the average IQ of black people in certain areas, but their their methodology was completely flawed. They tested six-year-olds in a in a starvation area in an area that was that had no food and no and no nutrition and they were 6 years old and they were six year olds.
So obviously that's flawed, right?
>> Hold on. I'm gonna I'm going to answer I just need you to answer the question.
Six year olds who are going through famine. Is that good a good data set for an IQ of a population? Yes or no?
>> I'm going to I'm going to tell you something. This is all Bendy's bomb.
>> I just need you to say yes or no. I just need you to say yes or no.
>> You're wrong. You're wrong.
>> Okay. So rich u Richard Lynn and Russian they didn't get a their methodology wasn't flawed >> was theology flaw or not?
>> Listen >> it's a yes or no. Was the methology flaw or not?
>> Dude Charles Murray wrote the bell curve. Will you calm down? We have nothing that has nothing to do with the bell curve. Okay. That has nothing to do with the IQ test. Benet. We're talking about like the Benet the French man who started it. You understand?
>> You just Googled something real quick and you saw the bell curve.
>> You don't know anything. So moving on.
Nobody cares.
>> Hey hey hey. Was the methodology flawed?
Yes or no?
>> Dude, no methodology is 100% correct. Do you understand? So, it's all flawed. Do you understand that?
>> No. It was flawed because of the way that they tested them. That's if they're test if they're testing six-year-olds in areas where places are people are starving. You're not going to get a good data set, are you?
>> So, again, so let's let's look at the data set of Okay, let's look at the data set of inner city schools, right? So, I want you to look at this. So, the average they did a thing and and and you can search this next time. I'll come with all the facts, right? Because I don't have it on me right now. I don't have my laptop. But what they said is they found they took these black energy like uh school kids and they they gave them everything. They paid for the rent.
They paid for the best education and they said they found the fact was the highest percentage of their IQ that increased was probably 5 to 10% with the best of best.
>> Right? So again, what was the name of that study?
>> Nature versus nurture.
>> Was it even nature versus nature?
>> What's the name of this study?
>> I again I don't have it on me. I have it on.
>> Why are you even talking about it? You don't even You can't We can't even verify what you're talking about. No.
Shut up. Google it.
>> We can't know. You can Google it because you presented the information. You don't know what you're talking about, Brett.
You have no idea what you're talking about. You don't understand medical racism, which is actually a 400y old crisis. It even says that black women are not susceptible to pain as others.
You don't know what you're talking about because you're so blinded by your own bias. You look it up. You presented the information. NO, THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS. THAT'S NOT HOW THAT WORKS. You look it up. If you have the information to give out, you should have the statistics on hand. That's how it works.
>> Okay. Can I talk for a second? I won't make any on my computer.
I haven't been talking.
>> No. medical racism.
>> I sat here quietly. My microphone has not been muted. I've been sitting here quietly and listening to your >> and you just keep talking of nonsense.
You just have a racially biased ideology. You think because of your skin color, you're more intelligent when in reality we had civilizations. We had things going on way before you guys were crawling out of caves. Okay, name them.
You guys are from the cautious mountains.
>> Name all the castles and the quaries and everything you built besides selling slaves and selling salt. Go ahead.
>> Oh, you know your own traffic is built by a black American man.
>> Elevator was built by a black American man.
Everybody real quick. I'm sorry guys.
I'm sorry.
Hey guys, pause me. Everybody pause me real quick.
>> I didn't say Benine. I said a black American man. That's who invented these traffic lights. What the [ __ ] are you talking about? I didn't say anything about me by black people about black American people.
>> Oh my god. Guys, will you stop?
>> Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, everybody, pause real quick. Everybody slow down. We're going to go ahead and get it back.
When it comes to reparations, right, when you say um the entire thing about um IQ, we know that's incorrect because that's not the reason why black Americans are more in poverty. We know they were put more in poverty due to things like black codes, due to things like discrimination, due to things like redlinining. That's the reason that poverty happened within the black community. No other community was redlined. None. So, you can't claim that IQ is the reason when they were never given the proper chances. And when they are given the proper chances, we do see that black people succeed, don't we?
When they're given the um the um equal opportunity. Whenever a black person is given equal opportunity towards a white person, they succeed, don't they? And a and a and a good and a good example of that is sports. Sports is the most merit based thing. Hold on. Shut up. Shut up.
Shut up. Sports is the most merit-based things that you can have. Shut up.
Sports. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up.
Sports is the most merit-based things that you can have. And when they were given equal opportunity in sports, you saw what happened. So, yeah, it's a physical thing.
>> It's a It's a physical thing. Hold on.
Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. It's is a don't don't compare us to animals again.
It's aut >> so it's it is a physical thing. Everyone knows it's a physical thing, but black people are still given less opportunities when it comes to education, when it comes to financial aid, and when it comes to medicine.
There are less opportunities there.
>> Uh could you uh could you like you share with me? I will list I I will concede the IQ thing for now because I don't have all the facts. But could you prove what you just said right now? Go ahead.
>> Um about um less opportunities.
>> I mean you were just saying about the medical about this. Go ahead. Go ahead.
Go ahead. Prove it. Go ahead.
>> Yeah. Okay. Cool. Um we know that um it this was studied, right? And this was um a recent study. Um I'm going to bring it up right now. Give me a second. Well, after I say it, I'm going to bring it up now. But yeah, I I have Hold on. Hold on. I have it. I was going to bring it up. Give me a second. Okay. I'm just going to explain it. Um, this was a recent study. I think it came out in about 2025. What they did is think they sent off about 30,000 to I think my laptop. Hold on.
>> Be quiet for a second.
>> So, um, it was about I think either 35 to 80,000 applications they sent out they sent out to um industries across America, right? What they found was that what they found what they found was that when the applicant was black, even if they had um the same education and the same experience as a white applicant, they got less call backs or they got ghosted completely.
>> Oh my god, that one study that was like totally like SJW like reinforced. Okay, dude. That's that's one study that was ever.
>> What do you mean by SJW reinforced? What does what does that mean? That doesn't mean anything.
>> Listen. Hey, hold on a second. So you don't even know like like me I don't know how studies exactly >> what happened did he talk >> I think you're glitching bro what happened >> yeah you like the conversation because I think I found a way to for him to be willing to pay the reparations >> go ahead go ahead talk >> how about this the rep you know what I'm And there's been damage done. There's no way you can't say there hasn't been. Okay.
>> Of course there has been.
>> Now h how about this, dude? How about this?
The people that take the reparations, them and their family leave America forever. Would you pay it?
>> That sounds awesome. And I think the black people who don't do anything.
>> But wait, here's here's here's the problem. Here's But wait, hang on, buddy. Here's the problem, right?
The reparations have to come from somewhere. So you have to give an incentive for people to give them, right? So we're we have to figure out something because like you know what I'm saying? They were taken from their land.
So what if we gave money and they got to go back?
>> Okay. Pam Pam, but you got to understand, bro, I I don't hate any race, right? I hate the thing is, buddy.
I'm too Okay. Awesome. So, Pimp, so the thing is is how much do you think black people actually contribute to like the USA tax base? Go ahead.
>> How much would you pay to get them out?
>> No. No. How much? Hold on. We have to figure out the value of black Americans.
My man, what have they contributed?
>> This is This is This is irrelevant. What black people have contribut?
Let me ask you a question. What music do you listen to?
>> Uh rock. all of that. How about if y'all want us out so bad as a black American, as the black American that is on the panel, how about when y'all give us our reparations because we have been, you know, we we can't trace our lenses back to uh so far because of that. Why don't we take all the inventions and everything that we contribute to the society with us too so y'all can be back where you know all the money, all of the old money. The only reason why people have owed money in the US because it's it comes from enslavement. Let's just take that [ __ ] back too.
>> Everything we work hard for, everything Garrett Morgan, the gas mask, uh the traffic lights, the refrigerators, all that. Like, let's take the [ __ ] with us.
>> Invented by black people.
>> Yes, it was. You look up Garrett Morgan.
You got books in your hand. Look up who Garrett Morgan is because damn. Like, I don't see how somebody who can really >> I feel bad for black people like that.
WELL, I FEEL BAD FOR YOU BECAUSE you're slow and the sun doesn't even like you.
The sun eats eats your ass up every time you go outside all around your [ __ ] face. Uh, yeah.
I I feel like you should know this if you are saying that black Americans are so slow. They're so dumb. They're so this. Here I am. People who know who Garrett Morgan is. You don't even know who the [ __ ] he is.
>> They're slow. Not all.
>> Okay. I'm slow with my 3° and 2 oz. But you're sitting up here doesn't even know as real.
>> Well, here's here's the whole thing.
Everybody has to be real.
>> The money has to come from somewhere.
>> So, you have to give an incentive for the people that's going to be paying >> the money.
Everybody pause. Everybody pause real quick. Everybody pause real quick. I want to I definitely want to ask this question. All right. Listen, Brett, this is the um this is the question. We you you already agreed that damage was done to the African-American community and this was done by the government. So, the question is if the government damages something, should they fix it or not?
>> Uh the outcome wasn't a net positive.
So, no.
>> What are you talking about?
>> In your scenario, wait. In your scenario, how wouldn't wait? In your scenario, how wouldn't how wouldn't I how wouldn't the government be take, you know, doing me a disservice?
>> I never had anything to do with it. How But where does the government get the money? The government gets the money from the taxpayers.
80% from white people. 80% from white people.
>> Listen to the question. Go ahead.
>> Does the government has a responsibility to repair what they damaged?
>> We have already.
>> No. So you're saying I wouldn't answer the question.
The question the question the question was a yes or a no. If the government causes it is that simple. If they cause damage to something, do they have a responsibility to fix that damage? Yes or no?
>> Question we have.
>> Okay. So the answer is yes. Now you're asking that they have. How?
>> Tell me one policy. Hold on. Stop. Tell me one policy. No policy. Stop.
>> Tell me one policy. Stop. Stop there for a second. Tell me one policy that the um that that the government passed that um fixed the wealth gap between black Americans and white Americans. What was it?
>> Wait, hold on a second. You're saying >> No, no, no, no, no. Answer that question. Answer that question. But you you said you said they fixed it. You said shut up. You said they fixed it. Be quiet. You said they fixed it. So the question I'm asking you is what was the policy that they passed that repaired the the wealth gap between white Americans and black Americans? What was it?
>> You understand that? No. No. Policies don't matter. It's about the outcome of the money, the monetary value. Okay.
That's >> answer my question. Answer my question.
Listen to my question.
>> No, no, it doesn't matter. That >> it does matter because that's how government repairs things through policies. What was the policy that repairs the wealth gap between white Americans and black Americans? What is it?
>> No, no, no, no. Policies don't repair anything. Do you understand that?
>> Yes, they do.
>> Yeah, Bri, you're slow as [ __ ] I like What degrees do you Where's your knowledge coming from you think?
>> I'm sorry. I I'm sorry. I pause real quick. Let Let um let So go let So cuz So hasn't gone yet. Go ahead. So >> I got a question for you, Brad. So, you really feel that if there was no black Americans ever in this country, America would be exactly the same?
>> Oh, we'd be so better off, man. Because the f Because only during the slavery trade, the slavery trade only accounted 5% of the gross domestic product.
>> Yeah. Okay. There you go. No, he's he's dropped because he just understand he asked him a question and he was going to answer it to the best of his ability and he got kicked.
No, because he's a racist >> his belief structure. Okay, wait. Let's let's take your question and put it this way. Would less people die?
>> No.
>> Would less people die where?
>> No. No. You You said You said if if there was no black Americans in America, would less people die?
>> No.
>> Yes or no?
>> No.
>> You know that's disingenuous.
>> No, it's not disingenuous. Is there anyone in America where white people die? That's the most remedial thing.
>> No, but I'm saying the total number >> would go down, right?
America would be less people in America.
Like y'all are question No, that question.
>> That's disingenuous.
>> Extremely disingenuous.
>> No, because the total of people in America would be less.
That's how simple it is. That's how you can tell if everybody pause. One mic. One mic. Pause. Pause.
Pause. One mic. One mic. One mic. One mic. All right, we're going to go uh person by person. Soul already know. K, what's up? K is a mod and he is a mod.
So, I respect them.
>> Um, I'm bring up in in a second. And I'm I'm just looking for opposition at this at the second guy. I think only Pimp Juice is the opposition. I do see Trump.
>> If you remember, I said that they do deserve it.
>> Oh, okay. Cool. So, I'm not sure what else you're talking about then right now. Then what what are we what are we doing?
>> So, like So, one thing I'm going to I'm going to get this out right now. The fact that he said that that that the sla the slave trade covered only 5% not only is that is that inaccurate, but is it is it is extremely false. um like when um like majority of America's wealth at the time came from cotton and 60% of of that labor was from black American enslaved people. So we're not So that's a just s So what you're saying is an absolute lie. You did not speak facts. You came up here spewing nonsense.
America America would not even exist without you lazy Europeans. black slave owners.
>> Sir, they only counted 1% of all slave owners in one.
>> But let's be like, let's be real.
Anyway, so as I was saying, and don't and come off mute again, >> disingenuous people, >> who was the one who said how much did people uh contribute to the >> community? Was that this guy who just got kicked? I'm like I I'll just hit them because one, okay, TALKING ABOUT THE THE WHOLE TALKING point of enslaved black enslavers one that that was that was a small encourage. Number two, um a lot majority of them were not only slaves, they were actually buying their family out.
>> So I'm like I'm so and I'm like and they did that they did that by purchasing their family. They were purchasing their family's freedom a lot of times. So I don't even know what the [ __ ] y'all be talking about.
>> Even if there wasn't, I don't know why I don't know why they were talking about it like black people still weren't the victims of it. Even Even if that wasn't the case, black people would still >> Exactly. All right.
>> Black people contri contribute $2 trillion to the American economy. Just so they know that.
>> Exactly.
>> Yeah. But my thing is, uh, white slave owners got reparations for their property loss, which was us. Uh, Native Americans got reparations and white people were so greedy. so trash that they, you know, started to, you know, pay $5. You get if you give me $5, you get to be on the doll scrolls, all that other [ __ ] Like, it wasn't regulated.
They were stealing from them. Like, who else got reparations? Uh, the the JWS got reparations and they weren't even, you know, um, they didn't even face any hardship in the US of A. So, it's just like those descendants got uh, reparations. So, how can you try to have an argument for black people with black American people with everything that we contributed to the US ofA? These idiots try to laugh at me. They don't even know who Garrett A. Morgan is. They don't even know the refrigerators they have.
It's because of a black American man.
The traffic light, the gas man. They don't know [ __ ] And you're trying to campaign for black American people not to get reparations or we have a low intelligence or whatnot. And this idiot probably doesn't even know what intelligence quotient, emotional quotient, adaptability quotient, how it was formed and what it represents. They are slow. They are just trying to cope with the fact that they are I don't I could say a lot but this ain't my lie.
But they are trying to cope with a lot of feelings that is encompassed in uh lack, not h not feeling enough, not having enough, not uh being surpassed by people who you deem that are lesser than or you think that are less lesser than because of your own racial bias. That's what they're dealing with. That's what we're seeing. We're seeing a lot of narcissism on the panel. How the [ __ ] you going to laugh at something that you don't know anything about? Oh my gosh.
Yes. the refrigerator that you use every day was created by a black man. But I'm sorry, host, but >> No, no, all good. Um, I'm sorry about just pause me real quick. I'm going to make a a couple of announcements. Uh, y'all, I do appreciate everybody who's here and everybody who's joining in on the panel. Uh, once again, if you're watching me from YouTube or Twitch or Facebook, the link to join is right here. tiny.cc/valsy live. You'll be able to talk to the um to the panel. I do see everybody who's talking in the in the comments. You guys can come on up um if we have once we have a space. I think everyone here right now is Well, um, Queen of the Trill, you say you disagree. I'm gonna I'm gonna get you in in a second. Um, Eminem, uh, are you there? And did you agree or disagree with the prompt?
You there? Eminem?
>> Yeah. Okay. You agree or disagree with the prompt?
>> That's like disagree.
Because >> Okay, cool. Cool. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Pause. Pause me real quick. Pause real quick. All right.
Shumpy or slumpy? the one with the Drake PFP. I'm just going call you Drake. Uh, did you agree or disagree with the prompt?
>> Is it if um black American kids should get reparations?
>> Yeah, that's the prompt. You agree or disagree?
>> Oh, I agree.
>> Oh, you agree? Okay, cool. Pause for me real quick. U because I do want to I do want to talk to Trill. Uh Mickey, I'm sorry I didn't introduce you, but >> I'm glad the only reason I didn't bring Trill up is because I was trying to make room for opposition. That's the only reason. By the way, I saw you. I mean, don't worry. I don't want you to think I was ignoring you. I saw you in the guest request. I'm I I promise I'm gonna get you out as soon as I can.
>> Gotcha. All right. So, we're going to talk to Queen of the Trill. She says that that um that she uh did disagree and then we're going to talk to Eminem afterwards. All right, guys. No one uh tried not to jumper. It's because I think we all agree. So, this could get um pretty tense. All right. All right.
Queen, go ahead and talk to us. Are you at least 18? And why did you disagree with reparations?
>> Yes, I am at least 18. And please don't everybody like hate me. I swear I have a I think I have a good position on this.
>> Okay.
>> So, the reason why I don't think I think we should get reparations, but in practicality, it just wouldn't work. It wouldn't ever work. I wouldn't p personally want them.
>> Um, nothing from this government, nothing from this uh especially from the government, but nothing from an oppressor, an oppressor would ever feel right to me. They can't make it right.
Um, I'd rather take the position of taking power into our own hands. You know, like creating our own reparations.
You shouldn't ever wait for a repayment from someone who oppressed you and continues to oppress you. It's never going to come from a genuine place. And there is going to it's going to be some kind of backhandedness with it. It's going to be like our government is very I mean, look how they treat America, you know, non non-black American citizens.
is going to be a backhanded ass hand out or some kind of way that it's like, okay, great. We got it, but there's going to be some payback on the other end. Okay.
>> And for that reason, no way.
>> I'm I'm I'm sorry to interrupt you.
Okay. So, if I'm understanding uh correctly, it's not that it's it's not morally correct that black Americans should get reparations. is that if it even if it does happen, number one, they may not do it, but number two, even if it does happen, there's going to be strings attached in order to keep black people in in a subservient position. Uh so therefore, we should focus at least black Americans in a sub position. So therefore, black people should focus on ourselves and on collective and economic power instead of worrying about reparations. Is that what you're trying to say?
>> Yes, absolutely. 100%. Okay, you put into way better words. Thank you.
>> I got you. No, I could understand that position. Um what what what do you guys say um to to that?
>> Can we do that simultaneously? Because I'm not waiting on a check like I'm doing every like I'm look I'm a look let me tell y'all I'm really actively trying to propel the generations that's going to come after me and do everything that you know we need to do what we should do. That's what we always have been doing. But that doesn't negate the fact that there was loss um that we need to be compensated for. We have uncompensated labor and economic theft.
Generations of enslaved black Americans provided the foundational labor, cotton, uh, all of these things. Foundational labor, Wall Street, uh, what's it? So many, so much [ __ ] Y'all don't understand. It gets so deep because there's so many companies now that are still benefiting off the labor from enslavement. And it built so much of the US economy all the right to accumulate personal wealth. uh you know all of this this uh what's it called following emancipation we had broken government promises which you know queen of tri can agree with you on that you know they had a failure to fulfill the uh 1865 order uh 40 acres in a mule we still waiting on that 40 acres in a mule uh systemic housing and discrimination the the yachts only breed between the lines the yachts only knew how to treat the JWS's the way they did because they watched they observed how uh America treated black people. They only knew how >> that was different for the >> Exactly. They only knew >> Exactly. They only knew how to put them in ghettos or whatever uh because they watched how we were treated uh as black American people, black people. I don't even want to say black Americans. They consider us uh twothirds of human beings in the Constitution. They saw all of that [ __ ] their state state sanctioned violence. We had a Black Wall Street. We had uh Memphis was prominent. We had Rosewood. We had all these places that they burned down to the ground because of jealousy and envy because they couldn't measure up. They did not have the skill set set coming out of the the 20th century. They didn't have it. So, in order for them to, you know, I guess even the playing field, they had to destroy so many businesses, so much property, uh, you know, with imminent domain, stealing so much property. Uh even with the disparities in opportunities, uh the the soldiers that's coming out from World War I, World War II, they couldn't access the New Deal. Vietnam uh soldiers, they could they didn't access the GI Bill that I benefited from personally. I have two properties in three degrees and I'm working on another one. Just found out just found that out last week cuz y'all won't see me no more after I get that one. I'm act real brand new. So, I get it. uh like there's a lot of things that we a lot of generations were deprived this economic value because of the government. You know, I don't believe in I feel like you shouldn't trust the government entirely. But if Uncle Sam has been using us for so long, hey, why don't we get compensated for it? Why don't we use a >> But yeah, that's just how I feel. But I understand her skepticism. I understand wholly and fully her skepticism because we've seen this [ __ ] time and time again.
>> Same. Same. Can I can I just add something? I think K wants to go, but I just want to add something. I do agree with you um um I mean yeah Annie and I see where you're coming from uh Queen uh because of just like how you said how the government works. Now um for what you said us trying to um go ahead and consolidate that power. Um I agree with that as well. Now, I'm not going to put it out here on this app, but there was one time where I work an entire hour where I said that, you know, black people, if we wanted to like or if we have the ability to, we actually can create a separate market and probably even like a pseudo government like away from, you know, the the the everything else. But that would require us to have um consolidation, require us to have, you know, um militancy. It require a lot basically. But I do um understand where where you're coming from. So the question within um become queen, what do you think are the things that we should focus on right now? Because I think um what what we can focus on right now just as black people and me not being a black American, what I can do for uh for black American people is um one thing that I want to do um for example, I'm studying to be a therapist. So my entire thing is going to be out, you know, going into the community and helping especially young black men, you know, come to a more healthy emotional space, uh, deconstruct, you know, misogyny and and sexism and stuff like that. Um, give them a space to, uh, understand their mental health and who they are as a person. So that's one thing that I can do just individually. But how do we bring that to a systems level? What do you think, Queen?
>> I know I just want to get this out right before she go. Um to Anna's to Annie's point, they absolutely did use what black Americans were going through. They used Jim Crow essentially as the blueprint for for the Schmaler cause. I mean, but I want to mention that that actually was not the only thing they used used as the blueprint like for another for for oppression because if you actually look deep if you look deeply um apartheid in South Africa they use what we were going through at that time period as well to also lay the blueprint for that. So I'm like, so I so I so I want to name this. black Americans, America's oppression of black Americans was so um strategic, so put well so well put together that people I mean people that have oppressed other groups have literally used that as the blueprint on how to on how to oppress um other marginalized groups of people including um black South Africans and the um and the JWS.
Mhm.
>> Exactly.
>> But yeah. Well, um what what what do you think, Queen? Cuz this something I can do um individually, but I think we need like uh systemic changes and I I think there are ways to um um to do that, but I'm I'm curious on on what you think.
>> Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Um I I definitely think that um we should keep our conversations to ourselves. We shouldn't involve anybody else. Um, and we shouldn't post it anywhere where it's, you know, um, uh, uh, accessible. Like, this needs to be very >> they need black prisoners and stuff like that. Like, that's dry.
>> That's dry. You shouldn't get in the comments saying things like that.
>> No, people don't take that too too cool.
>> Wait, yeah, I'm I'm not sure what Eminem give us a second. Let Let say what you were saying. I I'll get you in a in a moment.
Uh, go ahead, Queen. what you're saying.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Just just you know they um they study us you know they study and they have been studying us and it's just crazy that everything we and and we we we do it from a loving place like we we look out for one we look out for each other. We we're so I think um you know as as a people we we like to share information and that is to our own detriment. If you study history it's just to our own uh detriment. So, we have to keep all of our information to ourselves and be very like, you know, secretive about it. Um, or not even secretive, but just, you know, a code.
It's a code. And not even in a racial way that's like, oh, white people can't know or I'm sorry, white white te people are the races. It's just we have to be very careful on who's a true ally because even the allies once they you know once they are kind of cho um once they have to feel forced to pick a side they're not going to pick the side that's harder >> you know like it just it's just human nature. So I think we have to stop being naive about a lot of things and still take advantage of consumerism and um still take advantage of you know all of the privileges that come with being Americans. Um and we can have pride in that but protect and preserve our culture, protect and preserve our economics and very share sparingly.
>> Yeah. No. Um um uh 100%. I think that that black people should patron each other primarily. You know what I mean?
Like um for example, I'm I'm Haitian, right? I'm I'm majority go to because I live in a in a city that has a lot of Haitians here. I I do um you know, patron Haitian restaurants. Um, but you know, if they're um if uh if I'm around or or if they're closed or I'm just feeling like it, I will go to the soul food restaurant. I will go to a Junth event. I will go to the black person first. Anybody who I see in my community who's around who's a black person, I'm going to go to them first. And I think that's what we should um um we should do. And we can um get that to a systemic level if like I if you know, like we said, we um >> we have cooperative economics. One thing that I've said before, and this is something that I know is hard to do because of trust may not be there, but we should um have, you know, like community banking where when I'm talking about community banking where we actually put our money together like, "Hey y'all, we're all going to open up this account and we're going to be putting a percentage of our money into that for us to fund this scholarship, for us to help, you know, Miss Janice out with her rent, for us to do this, for us to do that." You see what I'm saying? I think we could create networks like that. But I'm I'm getting I'm I'm I'm dulging too much. But I just want to know what everybody else thinks. Um you know, Annie, Mickey, can I say something? Whatever you got.
>> Can I clean of trial? I actually I believe in gatekeeping. I believe um everything you said is pivotal to the black American uh experience to keep us safe because we understand that we're not always safe uh when we go out into the greater society, when we have to interact with the status quo. But there was um right now we are trying to play catch-up because of so much has happened to us uh posts slavery um post enslavement there was these credit unions there was we could go to the church and they would have funds people have became so capitalistic and not communal that it is taken away from the community and black people within itself. We have a lot of black people who think because they got this and that and that and this that they that sets them apart. you know, that whole I'm not black, I'm OJ [ __ ] And that's where we have to pretty much draw the line with them, too. Because there's a lot of black people who are not communal either. Like, at once upon a time, uh this is how I'm going to tell you this.
Once upon a time, the funeral homes is where the place where people went to start businesses in black in the black American South. They had to go to the funeral homes because these white establishes wouldn't even take our bodies. So, these they would pay on a So these they would pay on a plot, pay on a plot and they would uh that Nigerian man say it was so what I had to claim on uh ID threat was so imminent.
Now people are so disillusioned with thinking that they're other. If I can get in this neighborhood, that means I'm safe. No, we seeing that with our babies. We're seeing that over and over again. You are black first. You still have to operate in society as a black person, but it's just, you know, it's to the point, and I talk about the Black Panther Party as well. We have to understand we have to be on the same mindset that we want to uplift and advance the community because there's a lot of black people that a lot of white people that blackface that look like us that are not for us and that is an issue as well. And also I agree with you with uh the whiteness aspect. A lot of white people, even though if they're well-meaning, they want to be allies, they have to deconstruct and really break down their white fragility and their white privilege. Cuz the what first thing that you make, if you make them mad, they can switch up on you. You know, if they feel like they're not being heard, they'll switch up on you because they do understand they still have that privilege. And we know that white people are very fragile. They'll cry at the they'll weaponize their tears. they'll cry a drop of time and next thing you know somebody is in a oak tree somewhere in Mississippi. So yeah, I I understand that. But a lot of people who have not been near that imminent threat or think they are so set apart from that imminent threat, they don't believe that. They don't what my father would say, they don't believe fat meat greasy.
>> I'm contra they don't get it.
>> I got you. I'm I'm I'm sorry. I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna we're gonna continue the conversation. Give me one second. I have uh sir here on my streamard. Uh sir, you can hear us all right now, correct?
>> Yes. Yes. Yes, I can. Can you guys hear me?
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. Okay. Okay, great. All right, sir.
Now, you did say that um that you agree, but you wanted to um take um um add some comments to what we were talking about before. Uh what did you have to say, sir?
>> So, I want to poke on on what all three of you have said. I believe I when I was trying to get on I was switching over and I believe Annie was saying she did not want reparations and did not agree with it >> and she wouldn't take them right >> or I'm sorry somebody did someone say that that they would not take that queen but yeah go ahead go ahead >> oh excuse me I apologize for that I'm sorry I was switching over but so I partially agree with her in a sense only because I feel like that would empower them um and give them the idea, oh look, we're helping the poor people out now.
Okay, so now that we did this, you forget the past, right? Uh so we want to avoid that. However, on the other hand, what this other young lady was saying where we would take the reparations, I wholeheartedly agree with it because we need that in order to build the infrastructure that we need to become what this community could potentially be. But it can't be done separately. It has to be done um with the policies and those things that dole it out because there has to be programs it has to be um direct payments infrastructure they have to uh go at it to where they are building us to bridge that wealth gap right so in line with what you were saying it is possible but with what everyone's saying we have to be quiet on these apps especially they are watching YouTube right now probably somebody from the FBI is watching listening trying to get where we are when that slush fund came out and everyone started saying, "Oh, these are our reparations. We've been hit by cops and everything." Bam, they got rid of it real quick because they knew they were going to be flooded with claims because we let them know what we were going to do, right?
>> So, we can't give them the idea. We have to catch them off guard. So that means taking those funds that they're going to give us for reparations indirect payments, let them build our infrastructure and let them have that um enlightenment or that greatness that they they want to have. But with that direct funding that we get and every dollar that we get from the corporations that were created by these white Americans, we then have to take that money and like you said, we need to build a coalition to where that money is strictly circulated within the black community, which means we have to go out and buy land. I'm already working on something right like this actually over here. I'm in far west Texas and I'm I've started buying up land because I want to give that access to black only families cuz when these people made a black only community nobody I mean a white only community nobody cared nobody said anything and they didn't get the reaction that they wanted >> and now they're quiet about it >> but as soon as we have that opportunity we have to be careful with it and then that's where we build our banks make a black Amazon so that way we are only buying black products and recirculating that dollar within our own community uh create that bank to where we get paid from our corporations. I work for the federal government, so my check is not going to touch Bank of America. It's going to go to X, Y, and Z black bank and keep it recirculating in there. And that's how we I believe that we could build that wealth here. But we have to be absolutely careful because any move that they see, they'll take it as a threat and at that moment they'll end it completely.
>> No. and a a know something sir. Well, one one funny thing, those white communities, the reason why they fell apart cuz the food wasn't good.
>> That was exactly nothing. But we have the opportunity. We have everything that this community that this country is built upon.
>> And we need to create spaces that are strictly for black people. They have Trump's uh Twitter version. we can just make a black Twitter or all join fan base and create communities where we have to vet the black people that we are bringing into these um spaces because we have to know that every black person that we bring in has to be able to trust every other black person. Correct. just like they did back um in the um like 30s, 40s where they had secret things where they'd meet at night uh go to juke joints, have secret meetings. We have to do those same things and let it circulate >> not on media because that's against us.
No, there's no blackowned media. We can't let it circulate um out in these spaces period where they have access to it because that's how they get to us.
And then they will pay some black people to infiltrate and some black people will take that dollar to get off ahead really quickly and then [ __ ] up the whole deal.
>> But we have to bet everybody to get into that space.
>> Gotcha. Yeah. You know what, sir? Um, when when when you say that, right, one thing that I've always said is that I wish I could teach more black American people Haitian creole because it's like I want to talk to y'all without anyone else hearing. You know what I said? So yes, >> I I would I would teach y'all. I I hope more of y'all learn the language cuz I want to teach y'all. Or I know there's a language called Tut that black Americans came up with.
>> One more thing. Let me say one more thing. I'm sorry.
>> Uh so I live in far west Texas and the land that I'm buying is in New Mexico.
So in another way in creating this space where we're going to be safe and we feel like we are protected, we have to be strategically placed in this mainland, right? So Atlanta, Chicago, uh Georgia, these uh primarily uh heavily populated black spaces, they're not necessarily in the best spaces because you're surrounded by nothing that's going to help you. However, where I'm located, the land that I'm buying is directly over here on the Mexican border. So, if worst comes to worse, if it does come to that point, black people and Spanish people, we're allies.
>> We just have to help them realize that what we're doing.
>> I'm sorry.
>> The only thing I disagree with you saying is that black people and um Hispanics are allies. That is that is I think when um enslaved people would arrive to Mexico, they wouldn't give them back. Where I live when slavery was going on here in Texas, a lot of black people moved down to Mexico. So the population in Mexico where I live, it's it's highly black. It's very diverse. Um so a lot of people were helped by Mexican people because slavery was ended in Mexico before it was the United States by an Afro Latino president.
>> Um so a lot of people went down there.
Latino police did that they on the li also to protecting >> black the Egyptian exactly strategically in this mainland is the best place to do it if it comes down to that >> I got hold on give me give me a second I'm sorry pause real quick but but sir you uh you um you do kind of understand on right now why black people don't really feel that Hispanics could be our allies Or would you say that maybe more of the melanated like the black Hispanics we be more of allies like the Afroxicans?
Yeah. Afroians, Afroxicans. I think they could be our >> possibly possibly. Yes. But I'm going to say his whole.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
We're a lot more conscious with him now.
You feel me?
>> Yeah. I think it's the same thing like with this whole uh issue with Asian um boycotting and it's the same thing.
These other communities they were used as pawns against us. So they are just as ignorant as the oppressors are. I think it just takes enlightenment to help people understand >> we're doing it for you.
>> I don't labor for anybody. If you can't see the humanity in me at now as it stands, I can't I can't deal with you.
And as somebody who I put my entire money did this >> Oh. Oh, and hold on cuz I want to say this. Um the fact of the matter is that that that non-black people um including people of color are extremely anti-lack and like and is very well known in the Asian community as well as the Latino community um as well as really any other community that that is not racially black, they have a level of anti-blackness to to varying varying extent. So the idea that um that's that black and brown unity and that PC solidarity that I will never agree with because because when push comes to shove they do they do not see black people.
They do not ally with black they use black people's labor to support themselves and and all of those things.
But I don't actually see see them as allies. Truth be told, I'm I just do not see that. I don't >> I say this more as a strategy to get what we need to move.
>> I'll say no, no, no. I'll say this because there's black people that look just like me in those in the Afro Latino countries or the Latino countries, Hispanic countries, they treat them like [ __ ] too. They don't need if they treat them like [ __ ] They have a antilackness in their own countries that they have.
And this is from somebody who's been to Bise. This is somebody who spent two months in Guatemala. This is somebody who would go to Rosarto, Insanada, uh, Tijana, Mexico all the time just to chill, go to Papa Be or whatever. They treat black people strange, too. This is somebody who been walking down the street. Oh, how much? How much? For what? You know, they still have to deal with, oh, that stuff like there's no that's something they have to unpack in their own countries before there, you know, that shouldn't come on. that shouldn't be put on the the onus on black American people to produce that labor, that intellectual labor. And I think that is >> in their countries that they don't treat they don't treat good.
>> And also, I want to say this, it's actually extremely anti-black to expect black American people to do the labor to do the labor for those non-black people.
I mean, I don't think that is strategic at all to be quite to be quite frank. I think that is actually extremely dangerous. because because you you just because you just named yourself that these people not only can and have been used as pawns. So I'm like so so basically what you're doing is you're you essentially having non-black people infiltrate like these black spaces and that they could that they very well can be used against us in the future.
>> No, I I wasn't necessarily saying inviting them into the black spaces that are just for us. It's it was more it's more so because if we're going to fight for what we need, >> we're going to need people behind us to support this. So whe when they are creating these red lines and when they are creating um changing these voting districts, we have to then help them understand that these things are based on historically um gathered data. So it doesn't mean that this is what's going to happen. If you can galvanize a community of people regardless of their black, Latino to overtake because you have to start somewhere. You have to start with government maybe because that's the only way you're going to change. If you go out there, it's basically suicide to jump out there by yourself doing these things. And we've seen it repeated repeated in history.
So, we have to change our approach to this. And I don't mean it in a sense where they're going to be um us and we're going to uh it's going to change the world, but we have to help them understand like no, this is how we're going to change it just like we did with civil rights and let them know to change those.
I'm >> I'm sorry. Can I just I just want to cut through some some of this noise. All right. So, um I think I I I see where where both of y'all coming from, right?
Because at at the end of the day, like black people have been telling, you know, Asians and Hispanics for, you know, two, three decades now that, y'all, this is is a white supremacist country. Now, there is there a history of black and yellow unity? Yeah, there actually is. Up in New York, there was there was some unity there. Um, on the West Coast, there was black and brown unity that started to um go away. That started to to what what's that word I'm looking for? Dilute. um once you know uh once they were unfortunately once um white people saw that they can give white they can give Hispanics and Asians more access to whiteness you start to see that dilute that was the um that was the uh strategy >> and that is historic and that is historically what has happened with multiple groups the Irish and the Italians exactly as well and this is and this is but that is exactly my point That is to the I first of all, let me just get black Americans have like I'm like have been fighting and like and doing our thing in this country um since 1619 since we got since the first like the first enslaved black people got off that boat in James Town. Okay. I'm like in the in the original 13 colonies before America was even founded as a country76.
So black so here is the thing. I do not do I do not think that black Americans need other people. Now people because at the end of the day what what push comes to show regardless of the situation black Americans are always going to find a way. We did this through slavery. We did this through Jim Crow. We did this through we did this through black holes.
We did this through like through gym we did this through um redlinining. And we we did it through the war on smugs and I'm like and we I'm like and we did it through um the 2010s fighting like and resisting against police brutality and all of these other things. black American people have have always truth be told been on our own and had to fight majority of our own battles be and black American people in general because of the antilackness and other groups um do I mean most of us do not expect people to fight on our behalf black Americans have always had to fight on our own behalf >> okay and I completely understand that excuse me I'm sorry I feel like what he's it speaks more to my point because if you listen to what you're saying, yeah, we made it through all of those things to end up in the same place, right? And as they were being used for pawns back then, they were not aware of it, right? But now is the time because now they know and now they can see that and it's easier to say because what you're saying is like we're going to go on a struggle forever. But right >> danger let me um let let me just say this like um so so sir like so where you're coming from is is is is basically it's not that you know it's not you're not saying that you we we need them in in the fact that you know we can't get anywhere without them. But the fact that when it comes to like political changes there's going to be we need to have a certain amount of sway with certain demographics. Like for example, black people, black people didn't vote for Trump. Even most Hispans didn't vote for Trump. It was white people who voted for Trump. You know what I'm saying? So, >> well, we call them Latino vote. And the reason he won was the lack of black voters and his lack of black voters.
>> So, no. Um, like, uh, more Hispanics voted for Trump than last time. I'm talking about the majority of them didn't. It was about 45% that did, which is too much already. I agree with you.
Too much already. But that is half that is half of the that is not that is that is not >> Don't get me wrong I understand I completely understand where she's coming from and I like um I completely understand that but I think I'm in a different generation where we have to change it now and this is the perfect opportunity for that because of social media. It's hard to hide this now. It's harder to hide these things when they're doing it in front of your face.
I would say I see where where you're coming from. We just got to be very very careful. You know what I mean? That's absolutely what it takes.
>> I don't know. I don't feel like I agree because again >> I don't agree because we said >> well I mean if you're not going to do work as hard as your forefathers did then you shouldn't be here.
>> No no sir. I give give me one second sir. Um um is going to go and I think Mickey wants to say something else. I did sorry about that. Sorry. I um I will say this. Um black people have expounded so much labor. It's not on us. The onus is not on us to teach and to keep teaching. We they have access to the same information that we do. We understand that Hispanics did ex Hispanics coming from these Latin communities where there is blanketed antilackness cuz like I said, there's people who look just like me. I met my doppelganger in Rosarto Beach, uh Mexico. There's a woman that looks exactly like me. Uh yeah. So they have to deal with their own uh issues. Like you can't say, "Oh, if you're not willing to do the work, we are trying to do the work in preserving ourselves and preserving uh the generations coming after." What you're saying is very optimistic. It's beautiful. Uh you know, but it's very dangerous for black people. you are uh putting a lot of black people in danger because we have already spoken about the antilackness in these communities that they are grappling with and we can talk about but what's it called? Baker's rebellion where you know people wanted to rise up the Irish and the black people wanted to rise up against you know the status quo the the big slave masters so they had to create division we understand that they um they get incentives that we don't get. We understand where the model minority trope comes from. We understand that now because of that and because of the indoctrination of white supremacy, it's going to be a lot harder to get these people on board like that. Let that be a personal mission for you, but for me and mine, I want to I want black Americans to be free. But, uh, Mickey can talk and I invited Dr. Tahara up here cuz I love his insight.
>> Definitely. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I do want to get to in um I'm sorry. I'm going to let you go ahead and No, no problem. I'm going to let you go ahead and respond, but uh Mickey, go ahead. What were you saying, sir? I mean, sorry. Yes, I called you, sir. I do apologize.
>> It's fine.
>> I was going to say I do I do I love I loved listening to this conversation. I do have to go, but I want to get like a final word in and it's that I do I see where like everybody's coming from and I do agree with most of what everybody's saying. I think one of the most frustrating things is that black people have been doing the work even past, you know, when we were trying to align with the Irish with people of color to revolt. that when the government sees that happening, they're like, "We can't have that." Like the Rainbow Coalition, the Black Panthers were aligning with rural white people, rural whity poor people >> who saw that, hey, we're not being treated fairly. And the government's like, "Oh, y'all are having class solidarity. Y'all are coming together and understanding that, you know, there are things that that um y'all could come together on. We can't have that." And they were assassinating people. Whenever black people came together and were like, "We're done with everybody else.
We want to start our own communities."
The government would come in. Then we'd get things like, "What is it?" um that big park in New York, Central Park.
>> Central Park.
>> Uh Central Park, whenever there are thriving black Yeah. Um whenever there are thriving black communities, it's not that like we can't do that. We absolutely have proven time and time again that we have the capability to come together as a community and support each other. It's that the government doesn't want that. They need us as scapegoats. If if they have a community who has fought so much and is able to be like, you know what, we can distance ourselves from that. Who are they going to put in prison? Who are they going to overpol? Who are they going to point to to say, "Oh, this is the minority that y'all need to try your best to not be like." And it's it's just very very frustrating. But I wish you guys all a very very happy Junth and a great weekend. Thank you so much for the conversation. Goodbye.
>> No problem. Appreciate it. Come by. Um now um now what Mickey brought up is is exactly why I see where um sir is coming from because we've seen it before, right? the Young Lores, the Young Patriots, and even back then the Young Patriots had the Confederate flag, but working with the the Panthers more and more and more, they got rid of it. You see what I'm saying? So, it's is it's like it's one of those things where we know it could happen just by being around us, right? But >> I understand exactly where Annie and Kay is coming from because of what's going on right now. It's dangerous. You know what I'm saying? So, we got to be very, very, very careful. We got to vet these people like heavily. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So we got to make sure that >> each other because what happened to Fred Hampton like but Fred Hampton did all of that 21 year old man and he's no longer here because of people that look like us you know infiltrating the movement and not being community-minded and uh wanting to get that validation that pats on the head from the YT man and uh really just destroyed something that would have been so monumental that would should have been would have just uh created a different trajectory.
victories for so many different people, you know, in the north.
>> Yeah. So, I want you to understand, sir, like where where where they're coming, Annie and K is coming from. It's it's it's from a of, you know, a genuine place. We got to be very dangerous, you know.
>> No, believe me. Believe me, I'm on here.
I'm nonbiased. I don't get upset at anything. I honestly don't I'm not offensive or bothered by anything. I'm unbothered. I just want to be in that conversation and I completely understand where they're coming from and exactly what they're saying. Mhm.
>> Um, now I'm not saying that this is something that's needs to be done now.
>> My, in my head, it's more of a timeline of years obviously because you would have to create these black spaces and communities first and then uh take away that black wealth or that black dollar so they see that and then you can build on to making those relationships. It wasn't anything that I was thinking right now in the current um like you know weather uh situation what's going on with everything but I understand where they're coming from. I absolutely do.
>> Okay. I I I got you. So we set up um we set up ourselves first and then we seek out to see who can be that just like how the Panthers did. They have absolutely infrastructure.
We're not supporting Walmart because we got porters. Uh we're not supporting Target because we got uh Jackies or whatever. You know what I mean? So they're going to see the absence of that black dollar and at that point in time they're not going to come graveling to us. They're going to try to create um something to take that away like oh no only black businesses, no segregation, so on and so forth. But at that point in by at that point in time >> we will have amassed so much that it's going to be hard for them not to see what is what the picture is. And I don't know how to verbalize if that makes sense. I'm sorry. I >> I got you like we set ourselves I got you.
>> Congratulations on everything you're doing in West Texas. I went to West Texas and I was scared for my life. It's so barren out there. Uh so congratulations on It's so barren and I thought I saw a ghost. I was scared of my own shadow. I'm like, what is going on? I got to get out of here. But uh Elas, if you guys are interested, I'm I I do that's what I want to build over here in in New Mexico, El Paso, Texas. I have land. I'm building houses.
It needs to be done.
>> That's East Texas. She talking about some It's so It looks like the Wild Wild West. It's spooky to me. I'm like, I want to go home. I like it here. There's a ghost up the street. I know it. But uh congratulations on everything you got going on. I wish you >> know why. And it all goes to Christmas was by their honey. Okay.
>> You know, you know why why I love hearing about this? You know why I love hearing about this is because like o over here in in the Haitian community, right? like our parents are always talking about land back in Now I actually do got land back in Haiti. My dad put it in my name, but like he's uh it's it's one of those things where I I'm always hearing about, you know, uh Caribbean people having land back in the the mother country, right? But I I always I barely ever hear it for black American people. So when y'all ever y tell me that I have land here, there in that place, absolutely love it. And I always say that that you know what, if Haiti ever gets their mind right, I will definitely invite y'all to um to our land and we control our own resources.
You know what I mean? That's what we need to do. I thought about that. Could I ask could I pose a question?
>> Mhm.
>> So, I've I've had this idea um or in in a thought in my head. Say, for instance, they offered reparations. I already know what these two very strong willed women may say to me, so I'm going to I'm I'm ging my loins. But I I had an idea or a thought. um if they offered reparations here it wasn't enough or you know um how the US backed out and said this was not the uh worst human travesty slavery uh US Argentina and Israel said that. So say these other countries came together and said hey you know what we are going to offer you reparations if you moved back to Africa but those reparations would have to benefit everybody of enslaved people. So, not only Americans, but Haitians especially, because of the debt that crippled them, that made them where they are right now, >> Africa's different countries. Would that be something you all would consider going back to Africa and recreating >> an entire country from the ground up or is that too much work as well? Is that more something where this is our country, we made it, and I'm going to stay here and fight for it?
>> Well, I want to be an expat ultimately.
When I turn about 45, I want to get the [ __ ] up out of the US. Anyway, I do have land in Mississippi. I have a lot of land in Mississippi. But I feel like on again, you are putting a lot of labor on black people, black American people.
France, I feel like France should give everything. I feel like France should be bankrupt. Feel like France should look like in the middle of nowhere Europe because they owe Haiti so [ __ ] much.
We have to take that into account. Black Americans are ow reparations, but so is Haitians. So are these people. I want everybody to get their reparations because it's necessary and it's needed.
I don't have that competitive competitive mindset to where like, oh my gosh, you need to do this or you need to do that. No, I don't feel like I should have to go to another country that I have been so detached from so far to build that country when my legacy I say legacy when my you know that's another reason why we need a reparations. I've been I did a my family did a genealogy test. WE'RE SO SPREAD OUT EVERYWHERE. We cannot trace exactly where this was, you know, or who these mothers are. We don't know. We have been disconnected from Africa because through centuries, generations, time, all of these things. We need reparations. Even here in America, they had breeding farms. There's people who can't trace their great great grandparents because they were bred on a breeding farm. They were bred like cattle. They took a woman that was like, not even a woman, a girl that was 14. She had, you know, a body.
she had her, you know, minces go ahead and just blindfolded everybody and it was like a a a rape fest. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, we have old reparations for that. Cuz it not only did they get off through cotton and indigo and all of these things, they got off by us being the cattle, us being the um the the product, us being the commodity. Yes, we're owed it, but all of these countries that are owed it from all these European countries. [ __ ] Europe. Europe should look like [ __ ] RIGHT NOW. EUROPE owes uh Haiti, man.
France owes Haiti every [ __ ] thing.
And they are still robbing Haiti.
>> So yes, that's an issue. But I'm not doing no more lab. Like I'm I'm chill.
Like after I get this next degree, I probably I'll change my name for real.
>> Like y'all won't even know.
>> K, go ahead. And I wanted to add into this. Go ahead.
>> Yes. So I agree with everything that Anna said. The only thing I want to say I mean and and most you know this has been my point but I am not against um the black Caribbeans getting reparations. I do feel like it needs to be done separately >> from from the black American one and that has always been my thing because because the reality is we were all affected by the transatlantic slave trade but but the the way and how it happened and >> the systems were different. the the systems were how the systems functions were different. Also, we don't share the same ethnicity and are the same lineage.
So, it would not make sense for let's say and and Haiti and Rosie has agreed to this. Let's say Rosie I mean to qualify in the same way that I would do for reparations in the United States. I would not agree with that. Right. But if he if you were talking about um him McCain getting reparations from from from the French powers, I would absolutely have no in fact I would be I would be riding with them to go. I have no issue with that. I think owes Jamaica as well. Um true is kept England owes black Americans too. We were the first 13 British Charlie, but that's a whole other conversation that they're not even ready.
It ain't just America, honey. It's it's Britain, too.
I'm like I'm like, don't give me something. Let's not even have that conversation where that English word that a lot of black Americans have came from.
>> We're not going to talk about that. We don't even talk about that.
>> Yeah. And um I want to add >> Don't have me sounding like a pretend to a I ain't got none of that in me.
>> I I want to talk I won't talk about the vote, but um I just wanted to add this.
Um, I see what um what your question is saying, sir. Now, um, I agree what Kay is saying. The the reparations claim should be different. You know what I mean? Um, black African-Americans should get a black American should get it from the United States. Someone like myself should get it from France. Um, Jamaica, like somewhere like my wife is Jamaican.
Like, they should get it from the UK.
Uh, Nigerians, we had Nigerian here before. They should get it from the UK.
Uh, Belgium definitely owes the Congo.
You know what I mean? They should get it from the from the Congo. SO, WELL, WHAT ABOUT WHAT ABOUT BARBADOS? I don't know.
What's the Irish?
>> Okay, >> now let me tell you the British Empire the British Empire is kind of crazy.
WHERE'S LET ME ASK A QUESTION. And this is a genuine question. What did the British touch? I'm really What did they truck?
They even touched Haiti. It's so cra like like I really I'm like I'm literally like I'm really Britain Britain Britain like Britain Britain Britain I'm just so tired of I'm like and then you got the black bridge.
I'm like don't even get me started. I I'll be beefing with them all the [ __ ] time.
>> Yeah. Listen the black bridge. You got to get it together man. They got to get it together. But um this this how this how I would say I got you. Give me one second cuz I want to go and I'm going to get you. All right. Give me one second.
So, the way that I I I think it should look is that uh yes, the United States should give um African-Americans uh reparations, you know, I mean, like like cash reparations and everything and they could do whatever they want with it. If they want to leave the country, whatever, they could do whatever they want. You know what I mean? And now what it should look like from for France to give, you know, um Haiti, St. Lucia, Sagal, uh Cameroon, places like that. Um it should be number one financial sovereignty because a lot of countries in Africa still have to borrow their own currency from France. Uh not only that uh these African people should be able to control their own resources and for look like for for Haiti it should be not only paying back uh the um the independence tax that we paid uh but also investment into our um into our basically infrastructure. Exactly.
Because that ruined our infrastructure.
The United States actually owes Haiti as well, but that should be separate from African-Americans. You know what I mean?
Um, it should pay us back for the uh the infrastructure, the unfair trade deals that that Bill Clinton set up. Uh, City Bank um robbing about 1/4 of our gold that should go back to Haiti as well.
So, it's going to look different depending on how they are, but there's entire frameworks on how it could work.
But, yeah, the entire European world, they owe us, they they owe all of us.
And I think what we can do as um if we want to actually engage in real pan-Africanism, what should happen is that the uh the leaders of Nigeria should say unless you give African-Americans reparations, unless Belgium gives the Congo reparations, you get no more of our oil. We're not sending oil breaking down that race for Africa. Cuz they [ __ ] a lot of stuff up with that whole uh what's it called? Race for Africa. Was it Belgium? Uh, help me out.
>> Belgium, Spain, the UK, Germany.
>> Exactly.
>> Yeah. They owe so much to the continent, >> you know, so much to the continent. Even with uh Ceil Rose, they owe so much.
They owe them. Like if it, if we're really going to talk about accountability, Europe would be nothing but just farmland.
>> Yeah.
>> After they get done, like there would be nothing in the museums. Return those heads back. Return all the gold. return everything to all of these countries, they wouldn't have [ __ ] >> And and and you know something about about that, you know, how how you know the racist will always denigrate us and say that you know we have no system of writing. All those heads that you see in UK museums that was the African system of writing. It was art, >> you know what I mean? It was just um um art pieces and that's how it told your whole story. But I'm sorry we we going on for like 15 minutes. Let me get Tahara in on this. Uh Tahara, I'm I'm going to get you one on this and then trill. Uh Tahara, um >> yeah, go ahead and bless bless us with your knowledge. Um I'm Tara and let us know what you think about the conversation so far. Oh, um before Tara goes, if you disagree with what I have on the board, if you're watching over on YouTube, uh the link is right here, tiny.cc/vy live. I'll bring you up. You'll be on the panel with us and tell us why you disagree. And I'll also be on tomorrow.
We doing this all weekend, y'all. We're going to get them mad all weekend. But Tahara, thank you so much for being up here, brother. Um, he's uh he's he is a wealth of knowledge. Follow Tahara AD on on Tik Tok. I'm going to convince him soon enough to get to get a YouTube as well because he's also needed over there. But Tahara, go ahead and talk to us. Um, what you think about the conversation so far, brother?
>> How you guys doing? Appreciate you for having me up. Uh, yeah, the conversation has been great so far. I was just going to chime in earlier >> and say that um that Haiti I mean that the United States also owes Haiti reparations too, but you circle back to it. Uh but I would go back further because this 1915, right, where the United States came in and occupied Haiti.
>> Yep.
>> U furthered the separation of Haitians and Dominicans. Gave the Dominican Republic a million dollar loan while they were destro you know. Yeah.
why they destroying and a million dollars in 1915 that's a significant amount of money for and they gave it to them for infrastructure building at the same time they're destroying Hades rubber uh infrastru >> industry >> industry so like yeah no it's it should be it's a web of different things it's not just like you know unilateral in that way it's it's a it's a web and and that's why you really have to have you know and corpor's been doing this work for a long uh you really have to have uh a kind of unified kind of constructive.
Now there's a few things that I always say to people with uh reparations in general.
My fear becomes this.
First, let me let me preface by saying we absolutely are owed it to to the most to to to the dollar. I mean, whatever that number is today, it used to be at $14 trillion. We we are owed it.
>> Mhm.
>> But whatever number that we do accept, you have to be very careful for a few for a litany of different reasons. Um, one, we don't have the social economic infrastructure >> to take in a I don't I don't think you know many black uh populations do Haiti and a lot of to take in that much money >> if it is cash and to actually be able to do something with it. Um, I I think there's going to be some positive things that are going to come out of it. Like I don't, you know, I don't doubt the the at all what African-Americans specifically would do with the money.
But what I'm saying is if it becomes problematic in that way, you lose one thing. Uh you lose moral authority. Because from that point forward, uh three words will be said to you from that point forward. And those words are, "We paid you.
>> We paid you.
Whatever you have to say here, you we paid you. You didn't do what you were supposed to do with it. You didn't." So, and I say that to roll over into this next uh suggestion or question I have for people all the time.
Who are African-Ameans specifically when America no longer exists?
>> Who are we? What do we do?
What does that look like? Right? Because the the truth is nations fail. That's a the historical reality. They rise and they fall.
How do you ensure that the people the culture which is the people continues and we always have to be thinking about that and I think in some on some level most other groups that come to this country do think that way. They might not say it very consciously, but it's a very much so we have to we're using the tools of America to advance.
But you know this idea that you know we go down with the ship of America that's kind of you know what we've been attached to. Those are the chains that we have attached to us and we should not be thinking that way.
um we really should be thinking of and I think it would solve every other problem that we have if we are thinking of what are we doing or what do we look like when this nation no longer exists >> and I think >> now these are valid questions I I I do want to say this because of the history of black Americans and how our ethnicity formed on like on the soil we are I'm like despite everything that we've been through this is home this is our home this is this is this is the place that for like for a lot of us and a majority of our ancestors this is the only place that they have ever known the only place >> um I'm like unlike our culture developed here um like lang language, history, all of those things developed here.
>> I like I like I I will be honest if the United States were to fall um because like because a lot a good chunk of who we are is a it would be very that it's it's a really hard thing to swallow because a lot of our we've been through so much here.
>> I know. But K, you got to get past that.
>> You really got to get past that. There's a I was mentioning to uh I was on Father Trinity's Live yesterday. There's a really good book. It's a children's book. It's it's like 20 pages. Uh it's called Who Moved My Cheese?
>> And and the story is essentially there's like two little humans, two mice, and they're in this maze. And this maze is their home. This is all they've known.
That's all, you know, and uh they know where to go and get their food. They go to this one particular place in their home to get their food and then all of a sudden the food disappears.
Now, one of the humans noticed that the mice have been gone for weeks. They haven't even been paying attention to, you know, the cheese disappearing. They noticed it and they just left.
We didn't decide, oh, something's changing. The landscape is changing. And instead of thinking there could be a moment where this no longer exists for us >> Mhm.
>> they stayed around.
And you know the moral of the story like the end of the story is basically they they basically get out of their own way emotionally and they go find some cheese somewhere else, right? Um, but it's a powerful story because that's that's honestly have how you have to uh kind of reconfigure your idea of I mean home really home because home are the people home is the people. It it's not just the geography you people migrated all the time.
>> Mhm.
>> You see what I'm saying?
Yeah, I'm like I'm like now I'm the thing.
>> I feel that's kind of why I brought up what I was saying because I I was born and raised here in the States. I owe my culture to this. We brought this. We we created this country, right? We did all of this. But in our 400 uh plus year history here, we've not really excelled or got to where we even want to be right under there. Not even to half of where we can be or where we want to be. So I can take what reparations I can take wherever it's coming from. If it's come from the US, if the US decides not to give reparations, but um the African Union says we'll give you reparations and bring your wealth, bring your hard work, bring everything that you've got to us and help us build this country.
I'm willing to go to another country to create my home there instead of sitting on this drowning ship >> cuz the the it's never going to be peaceful here ever even after reparations. you you know like to talk that is actually a good question to uh to bring up because I think this was a discussion that happened maybe five years ago with a few I think online and a few of my friends too where where people were saying you know if America declines if things start to go arai what happens like um one of my friends who's African-American as well he said that bro you can go back to Haiti and you'll be all right cuz you speak the language there I just got to stay here you know what I mean now I told him I like bro you my brother you can come to Haiti with me. I'm not going to let you stay here. You know what I'm saying? You coming with me, but I understood what he was coming this because this is home. Yeah.
>> Home everywhere is tor more. Like um Queen of Trio said something that is that was profound to me. She said this is home, but it's an abusive group home.
Like we are attached to the US because we are Americans rightfully. has been here forever, but it's to the point where um if we're on a like you said, at what point do you get off a sinking ship? Like Bose's parents migrated because Haiti wasn't, you know, giving them the resources in the community that he they needed to thrive. Like at one point, can we say for our generations, we might have to relocate and do something else or go somewhere else. But who's to say when we do relocate collectively, what's going to be there?
cuz we seen what happened with the great migration. Both of them uh we seen the great migration >> with reconstruction. We seen uh this is a this is home but it is it could be an abusive uh group home. And it's like I was saying earlier today to my neighbor to understand black people in America and how we interact with the status quo.
We have to understand narcissism narcissism or narcissistic abuse. We have to understand that no matter what we do, they are going to demonize us for our reaction to anything that goes on with them. So, there's never going to be any justice. There's never going to be um I don't want to say never, but it's going to it's going to be a >> it's not going to it's going to take more than what we've done previously.
All the marching and [ __ ] the talking, that's not going to happen. We have seen time and time again, this country doesn't respect anything but blood and money. And if we're not willing to spend uh money, we must and [ __ ] Y'all, let me shut up. But you know what I'm saying? Like, but there's a lot of things that's keeping us from that. We got Christianity. We got, "Oh my god, but this, well, I, you know, my We got all this bullshit." Like, we have a lot that's keeping us from saying, "Look, enough is enough." Everybody want to act shocked when something happened when this [ __ ] has gone on over and over again. I've been here over three decades. And people, oh my gosh, I'm so shocked, Chelsea. I can't Can you believe it? Hell yeah.
>> 3 years ago. WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT?
>> CANNOT BELIEVE IT. LIKE WE WANT to act.
We want to fame. Like we just so shocked and oh my gosh want to don't want to talk about the elephant in the room at this point. We are aiding in our own abuse.
>> Absolutely.
>> It's Stockholm syndrome.
>> I'm sorry. Can I just add one more thing y'all? Um now here here's one thing I would say.
>> Even though like we we've all been here for years. There's a long history here.
But America is literally only 250 years old when the Chinese civilization lasted for like what 5,000 years. We don't know what's going to happen 230 years from now, right? Because just like how Tahara said, things are going to decline, but remember the the the China was ruled by the Manchus, then the Han, then the Mongolians, etc., etc. throughout all their history. Our grandkids could rule this country one day. You know what I'm saying? Now, it could happen in 500 years. They're not going to be around to see it, but that could be the case.
They're the ones taking. So, >> my bad.
>> But that's even my that's even my point.
Our ethnicity because of how it formed is literally and when it began to form is older than the country.
>> I'm like, what? And I'm like, and it's really crazy a lot times to think about because it feels like like forever to be honest. But um one like it's been actually a very short time for the for our for a major ethnogenesis like what we have gone through to take place. It it 400 years in the like in this in this in the scheme of is actually not a long time. It is it it is not um I like I'm sure it's kind of like similar timing for the Caribbeans too. Yes. Like I'm like like we the amount of time I'm like the things that have come out of it. Um I'm like I'm like to the point like um I'm like I'm I'm a product of the great migration, right? So I'm like so even though I wasn't raised there, I have a major attachment to Tennessee cuz that is where my people are from. Like that is where my family is from. That is where my I literally was just on ancestry.com and literally traced my great greatgrandfather and that was crazy. It by the way um literally just did that happened in 20 minutes actually. By the way, um like it's amazing what you could find out with the census.
>> You know what's crazy about about that is that I actually have a cousin in New Orleans. She's like my fourth or fifth cousin or something like that. And I had I had no idea. She she inboxed me on Ancestry just the other day. I'm I'm about to answer her again right now. But yeah, I have a I have a cousin over there and had had no clue, you know, because uh she she had no clue that she had As Haitian in her. I I had no clue that I had African-American. It's it's kind of crazy. But um uh Tar I do see your hand up. Um give me >> Yeah, give me one second. To I promised I'm going to get back to you, but Trill has been up here. He's been patient and I I thought I thought I was going to get to him back like 20 30 minutes ago and we haven't yet. Just give me one second to I'm going get to you. Uh Trill, uh what what did you want to add? What's up?
>> I'm I'm going to add that uh when it comes to corporation stuff, I I always find it funny how like when people bring uh uh when people want to make a deal like, okay, let's say I do do it, okay?
Like their proposal was always a penalty. Mhm.
>> You know, you notice that it's like, okay, we'll give you, but you have to leave America. Why? Like, like, why am I being penalized? Like, >> yeah, that's what I that's why you have to leave our home. I don't agree with that.
>> I shouldn't have to leave to get reparations. No one else had to leave to get reparations. Jewish people didn't have to leave Germany to get reparations. Um, uh, Japanese Americans did not h did not have to leave America to get their reparations. No one no one on this planet leave a country to get the reparations. But that's the first thing that they that's the first concession they make. Okay, we'll do reparations, but you have to leave the country. That's >> I'm sorry. I'm not I mean I'm not y'all not going to bully me out out of my ancestral homeland. Like I'm not going to let y'all do it.
>> Even so even that.
>> Hold on. I got I got I got I gota say something. And also like people always uh uh say this and it always gets it always hurts me man like like we can get reparations ourselves. No, you can't.
Okay, cuz by not reparations that's just you that's just you getting that's just you uh uh earning a living on your own and we can already do that. Like that's not like the whole entire point of operations is that someone harmed you and they're paying you monetarily primarily but also in other ways uh to uh to repair what they broke basically.
Right? So like and people are like oh well I don't need it. It's not charity.
>> RA is not charity. It's an investment.
It's a reinvestment in in the group of people who are harmed by the government primarily. It's not a private inter it's not a private matter. It's a government matter. And if anyone has a problem with that sucks to suck because that's what you said to us when we were going through what we were going through. So you disagreeing get disagreeing with it has nothing to do with anything because you going to pay it just like we had to work it and uh be harmed by it. So yeah, sucks to suck now. Now you see how it feels. And it's not a penalty, it's a reinvestment. is the government um um repairing us for the harm that it not only caused but actually created policies to ensure happened. Right? So like people have to re have to re refocus and reframe and get make sure everybody understands exactly what we're talking about and what we're asking for or rather demanding for you know when we have the conversation. Otherwise we just start having people saying silly stuff.
I mean this and and if That's all I want to say.
>> All good. All right. Toar, you you had your hand.
>> I think that's profound. Like I I really like what he was saying to be honest.
And I feel like that needs to be acknowledged because the black slave owners, the white slave owners, they got reparations and they didn't have to do anything like they got reparations for their property. Thus us, you know, and they moved to New York. Mississippi was once the wealthiest uh state in the country. Then after the, you know, Annabellum slavery, they all moved to New York. Like they still, that old money is still there from the south.
They got their reparations plus some.
>> Mhm.
>> Well, so that so that is my thing and that's what I think extended what I was trying to say further. I do not believe we have to should have to leave our home. This because the reality is this. This is the This is the land that my that my that all of majority of my ancestors have have laid out I have have died on have suffered on have bled have suffered have risen up. I'm sorry. I just I'm not leaving my home.
>> The caveats are disingenuous to be honest because nobody else was faced with a caveat. The the natives were but we see how that happened with them. they are on reservation.
But I think that like the caveats are just like I hate that. Like why? Because the you know like you said the Jewish people didn't have to deal with it. I said the you know the white slave owners didn't have to deal with it. None of that had to you know none of that happened. Big beige. What the [ __ ] are you talking about? And stop cosplaying like you black cuz we everybody know you white. Maybe they don't but you white.
You've been on other panels. You are a white person.
>> Big beige. Yeah he's a white. Okay.
We're big.
>> Can I just Can I just ask one question to everyone?
>> Uh yeah. Yeah. Um go ahead. Um uh Queen just real quick um because I want to harka and uh sir has something to say as well. But uh go ahead. What was your question?
My question is I think I'm approaching it more from a um you know like once again like a practical practicality like how would it happen you know like I'm thinking about the you know I'm thinking about it in in motion and it just doesn't it doesn't seem right and therefore I just don't even like to entertain the idea. So, you know, we we use the um analogy of, you know, it being a narcissistic relationship. And in any narcissistic relationship, you're never getting an apology. You're never getting reciprocity. You're never getting uh you know, like a a honest and heartfelt uh empathetic apology, you know, like you're never getting your time back. You're never getting what you put into it. So it's just it's so using that same analogy is it's useless to even expect fairness to expect I mean just just fairness not even repayment and and to like settle the score but it's >> I don't think anyone is expecting that at all though. I mean like we know who we're dealing with. We're we're dealing with literal devils here. So like no one's saying like oh man America's going to treat us right. They haven't treated us right since we got here. So, no one's saying that or like I don't care if they apologize or not. I just want my money.
All right? That's it. All I want is the infrastructure. All right? I don't need them to apologize. I don't need because I know they're not sorry. I like, "Hey, hey, listen. We got away with it. We did what we did and see how wealthy we got.
They don't care about us and we know they don't." So, like I like like reparations any >> Yeah.
>> I'm I'm saying like like like like reparations is is inherently impractical. like no one but like but a lot of great things that that uh um um that humans have done or achieved or gotten other humans to do uh aren't as impractical. Hell, slavery was impractical, right? But they made it happen. So like it's not about like like we can't uh basically um what do they call uh I forgot what it's called.
Basically like try to scare yourself out of something. You know what I mean? Like we have to be brave and have courage like our ancestors have and and and and fight for what we want. If we want brave reparations, we need to do the political work of making that happen. No one said it's going to be easy. No one going said that white people going to feel sorry like they're not and I don't expect them to. I have all my money.
>> What's that? Y'all remember that commercial? It's my money and I need it now.
877 that lives in my head rentree.
No, listen. The most iconic commercial of the late 2000s.
I love that commercial.
>> Still love it to this day. All right, guys. Give me one second. We are approaching two hours. That's usually time where I get off, but I want to um to say what he had to say because he had his hand up like 20 minutes ago. And then sir um he had something to say as well. But uh Tahara go ahead. What did you have to say? I hope you remember what you were trying to say.
>> Yeah, I remember. I I do want to ask Trill a question first though if it is true. Are you playing Zelda Breath of the Wild?
>> I like >> Yeah, I hear the music. All right. So, >> I haven't played that yet. Is Is it good? Breath of the Wild.
>> Oh, yeah. It's just a It's a great game.
I'm playing on on the Switch, too.
>> No, the last You know, the last Zelda I played was Twilight Princess. That's the last Zelda I played.
>> Oh yeah, >> man. I I I got so much to catch up on cuz I I heard it's gotten so much better from from Twilight Princess. Twilight come out with a remake of uh Time of Time was my favorite. Oh my god, I love Time.
>> It's getting remade.
>> It is.
>> Yeah. Get you a Switch, too.
>> All right. I'm I'm sorry. We kind We kind of We're kind of nerding out right now. The the the ladies are falling.
>> I know about the I bought the books. I have a son, y'all. I know about Zelta. I know about Hold on. I got to go upstairs. Let me show y'all. I have a whole nerd for a baby that's into the [ __ ] song.
What's that song >> that plays on the flute?
>> Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead.
Now, if you want one, if you don't buy it now, you have to pay the the increased price because all the the tariff stuff like that. Not ter. So, yeah. So, get it now. Anyway, not pay high price.
>> I'm going have to pay that anyway because I'm going to wait on the special edition Zelda version to come out.
>> But um >> let's go. Let's see.
>> Yeah, that's that's uh that's um >> I think Annie's breaking up a bit.
>> That's Tears of the Kingdom.
>> Oh yeah, that is Tears of the Kingdom.
Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. What was your question that you were going to ask?
>> I was just going to say that my point is contingency. Uh I I think that we can't be thinking only of ourselves and how we feel as a generation. We have to think about the generations after us. And and so to make that clear with with the internet like think about how small the world became in our generation with the internet come I believe even more cosmopolitan. Um there's a theory that people are working out that's called afropolitanism.
um right that that that sees the future of the African diaspora as it's as borderless right >> um so as asqwami would say organize organize organize I I don't believe any answer that has been said here is the wrong answer in fact I think they are all the right answers those who wish to leave and those who wish to stay it would create a stronger network throughout the diaspora and if we plan and if if a plan fails we can shift to the next one. At the end of the day though, it the ultimate answer is that African-Americans specifically and all other specific groups of people of African ethnicity do the things that are needed that are specific to them and the African diaspora in general as a pan-African collective. We have to build social economic power amongst ourselves.
>> Yep.
>> That we solve ourselves.
If we solve those problems, we won't need reparations to do that. But also, I firmly believe that the only real way reparations will be paid is if we have the power to make them pay.
>> Yep.
>> Yeah. And and I and I understand and I understand that. Um I mean I and I think that's that's a great point.
>> Um I mean I mean and let me be clear when I say I I I I plan to travel. In fact, it's actually on my bucket list to go to go to a few Asian countries. Um my sister found out that we that we have a lot of Nigerian ancestry. So probably gonna go over there. Oh, I think my second one was um Sir Leon um Ganga and um Ghana and Liberia.
I think that was the second largest large to be honest. I still want to find out how how Liberia came up. But that's a whole that's a whole other thing. How where did Liberia come from? I was expecting Nigeria.
>> But yeah, um yeah, I I um that the whole borderless thing um Tark that you're talking about, like I um that's something I that I hope I can I can see as I get older. And um I do agree with you because I heard one time someone said that power respects power and I think um if we consolidate a lot more but you know just like how Trill said we shouldn't talk about that here but if we find a way to consolidate our heads a lot more then we would um you we have collective power. Of course we'll have to think get rid of things like you know you know like we said before like misogyny and and stuff like that. We have to go ahead and and get over those things. Homophobia we got to get rid of that. You know what I'm saying? um magical magical thinking and in and critical thinking. We need more of that all that there are problems we need to get rid of before we can go ahead and consolidate completely.
>> Oh my god. I'm like colorism has to >> because that's another thing um because because I because I've thought several times like let's say that the that the um that the system of of white supremacy were to vanish tomorrow. Let's let's say that h that that happened hypothetically that does not mean that the ideology would still not live in black bodies.
And that is to me is a more scary thought to be honest.
>> Yeah. No. Yeah, you're right. All right.
Um sir um had something to say. I'm not sure if it was the last thing he wanted to say, but sir, go ahead. What was uh that you wanted to say?
>> Uh yeah, it was the last thing kind of just to touch on kind of a little bit of what everybody was saying. Um, someone mentioned about the reparations, like you know, direct payments and things. I don't know. I believe we deserve reparations, but I think it needs to be a program that is, yes, give direct payments, but you can't just give a black person, you know, $20 million.
They're going to go blow it somewhere, right? Because we don't have that, as he was saying, that economic mindset.
>> So, what would need to be done? These reparations have to be given. These reparations have to be given out yes in direct payments over a certain amount of time but most of those reparations have to be um embedded within our society. It has to be building our infrastructure.
We have to as a diaspora change our mindset. You guys are saying like you know we have to get rid of all these phobias. We have to we are the only um group of people in the world that cannot afford to hate another group of people because we don't we need ourselves. So when we are outside we can't hate on each other. I have to support you because these other groups are going to support each other like nothing. They got their backs regardless. If a white person's getting beat up, you know, someone's going to be behind them real quick. We have to have that same idea in order to move forward to restructure the government in a way that it's gonna support us if we're going to stay here to build that black wealth. Yeah. Can can I can I clarify something with with you, sir? When um when you said that um that they're going to blow it, are you saying that we're um they're going to they're going to waste it, but or are you saying that they're going to waste it or are you saying that because we don't have the the the the economic infrastructure is just going to go back to white people basically?
>> Absolutely. it's going to go back to to white people. But also touching on that, we a lot of us did not grow up with the mindset on how to properly uh put money away or to save it or where to spend our money, how to spend our money. So, we weren't taught economics in school properly. So you can't just give somebody anybody not just not to make it a color thing. You can't just give anybody a big sum of money without them knowing the these uh the sensitivities behind building that economy because you have to build these businesses.
>> Gotcha. Yeah. cuz that that is a um a concern that that that's I think it's a fair concern that you you know you um like we we get this windfall of or black Americans get a windfall of money but because you know you know banking uh uh finance the bureaucracy we're just going to go out and buy chargers and [ __ ] and no I agree I don't think that black people are going to be spending it on Jordans and [ __ ] like that but if we want to to um to to to build you know banks and schools and everything like that >> to invest >> we We um I I I would I would rather that that that money to to give to their children to go to Howard instead of going to Princeton or something like that. Like I mean it is >> we pay for education. Native Americans don't take cuz it's so it's not that many of them because they done eradicated all of them. They don't pay taxes. They don't uh pay for you know their education is pretty much free. we could ask for in whatever in that deal in that proposition we can ask for credit forgiveness uh our education would be free because people nobody should have to pay for education anyway but especially not people who built this uh country and what it was who built Wall Street Wall Street not black wall street we built that but actual Wall Street built uh all these insurance companies built all of these things we're going to have to do this I'm not going to blow $20 million I might blow $3 million, but I'm not going to blow $12 million. But [ __ ] you know what I'm saying? You know, but I get what you're saying cuz the first time I understood what a 529 college plan was was in the military after I had my son. The first time I understood what the CDs and the uh Roth IAS was because [ __ ] I had a baby. I have to, you know, make sure I'm okay cuz I can't, you know, I can't risk it. Like, I had to learn about all of these things. It never was taught to me.
Uh, I knew what a CD was, a savings account, but all of these, you know, all of these other >> technicalities behind the society is not I didn't understand it also kind of >> and it also made me think of kind of what toa said because I I I work right now. I work for the federal government, so I'm fine. So, I I'll take the money that they give me, but I would much rather not think about myself selfishly and reaping the benefits of these reparations. I'd much rather those benefits go to who comes after me. I don't have any children or anything like that. So, my benefits going to be minimal in a sense. I might get something out of it and I would be happy to, but my concern is more so my nieces and nephews, my uh their children that are going to have to benefit from the change in this.
>> Right. So like like it's the the um the the um the concern that that that sir is bringing up and I I I share some concern that when um and like the the the money is g is is is going to come in but instead of us spending that money on our own insurance company it will go to GEICO instead and it should go to our own insurance company. So the um so because uh we need to set up that infrastructure first. Let's when that that those repres reparations come in set up our own black version of progressive and GEICO instead of going out to get a car and then getting Geico.
We should build everything.
>> Exactly. The the like instead of going out to to buy a Toyota, we buy, you know, [ __ ] Yoda.
>> Make our own car company. We have millions of dollars. We have a trillion dollars. We got build our own car company. build our own uh infrastructure where we can leave them aside and they see what that black dollar is. That's the only way we're going to be able to get any kind of equality.
>> I got you. I I agree, sir. But I think that could happen with reparations. Like people bring their heads together like, "Okay, we got this burden now. That's why we need these. Let's create this thing." Yeah. Exactly. Okay. Go ahead.
We need people with actual business plans. Cuz I had a thought, how tragic would it be the companies who have, you know, they've been around for hundreds of years, who survived Annabellum slavery benefit from the reparations as they benefited from our ancestors slave labor as well. They'll be so tragic and disgusting. And the people and it's not like we don't want to have these businesses. We have been blocked off from having these businesses, from getting the loans, from getting the grants to build these businesses so we can create an infrastructure for ourselves. It's not that we don't want it. It's not that we don't have the brain power to do it. It's that because of the system itself, how it's built, we can't access these things. Even with uh there's a couple of black American women who wanted to create beauty supply stores. They were blocked out from getting the you know so many supplies, so many things because um the Asian people pretty much have it online. Like they created a monopoly for it. So it's just like we have been blocked off from access. So yes, the the reparations would be there to create access, not to infiltrate, not to build put the money back into the systems that have benefited from our woes, from our pain, from our suffering. It's almost as kin if that was the case then no. But it's all but you know we need it anyway. But uh it's almost as kin to when the uh enslaved people would or the people that were newly enslaved, the sharecroers would get those little wooden nickels to pay for different things on the plantation. Like they pretty much were slaves but they were you know they were slaves pretty much but it was the illusion of freedom. they got those wooden nickels to still feed back into the system that enslaved them. And you know, if we were to get reparations with no with people not having a business plan and I know there's so many people who want to have access who has those plans but they have been kept out because America is what it is. We would go so much further if that makes sense.
>> Yeah, definitely makes sense. All right, I we I have one last person um here. Uh Jacob, how's it going, Jacob? You are on a panel with all black Oh, wait. Jacob left. Never mind. All right, guys. Jacob left. So, uh, that was probably a >> [ __ ] you, [ __ ] I'm out of here.
>> J Jacob, they want to smoke. All right, so Jacob, they want to smoke. All right, so guys, I am going to go ahead and get out of here, man. Y'all make sure to follow everybody on the panel. Um, sir, no problem. Sir, what where can we find you? Definitely, you can definitely join my Discord as well. Now, my Discord is for black atheists. I'm not sure if you're one. Um, but you can you can join if you if you would like. If you're irreligious or anything like that, you can definitely join, sir. It's on It's the link is in my bio on my YouTube. All right.
>> Okay then. I don't know anything about this. I was just scrolling on YouTube and came up on this, but I I'll check all y'all out and we'll go from there.
>> Yeah, sure. Like um um sell to me on on YouTube. Uh look at my my my Discord and we'll definitely talk more there. All right.
>> For sure. Thanks, guys.
>> No, no problem. Hey, I appreciate you.
Have a good one.
>> Okay.
>> All right, guys. Um yeah, I'll make sure to follow everybody uh to let the know people people know where they can follow you and I'm going to convince you to get get a YouTube one day. But let the people know >> I'm going to do it one day. But you you just do it right here to Hawk a day. Um that's that's my Tik Tok handle. Oh, by the way, tomorrow uh I'm in like upstate New York. I'm the keynote speaker for um a Junth celebration that's going on this weekend. So, let's [ __ ] go.
>> Why don't you have a sound thingy like bar? Why don't you have like the claps?
>> Oh, yeah. I don't have the claps. Hold on. Hold on. Let me Let me find I got I got the sound thing. Hold on. Let me find Let me find >> because that's a big deal.
>> That is a big deal. Where's the clap?
There it is.
>> That's American opinion.
>> I'm me. I'm AI. I'm putting on my makeup right now to go to a speak easy. I just be out and about. Oh, y'all need streets.
>> I'm I'm It's okay. I'm just a girl, too.
>> Just a girl.
I'm just a girl.
>> Oh, man.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. Let the people know where to find you. Okay.
>> Um KK Reloaded is my is my um is is my Tik Tok. You can just follow any the number after it. 345 >> and trill. let the folks know where they could find you. You you got YouTube yet, Tro, or you don't have one yet either?
>> Uh, well, I I don't really make content or anything like that. I just talk to [ __ ] online. So, >> last thing I do want to say though, that like it took I think there was a study that said u it will take black Americans 250 years to catch up to where white people are today.
>> Right? you put that into context, you'll see that like yeah, there's no there's no there's no way we can actually close the racial wealth gap. That's literally impossible. It takes 250 years to do it, right? So that that means it will require reparations for us to close that racial wealth gap because no one can close a 250 50 year gap in like less than 50 years. Like it's just impossible. So yeah, there >> gotcha. All right, guys. And y'all already know where to follow me. Uh, I am Vulce. If you can follow me here on Tik Tok, Vuly Thoughts, YouTube, Voly Thoughts, Threads, Vy. I love Threads, by the way. Threads is amazing. So, y'all should go ahead and get Threads as well. Um, hey, I appreciate y'all. You guys, um, are amazing. Um, think we're going to go ahead and get out of here.
We're at the 2our mark, y'all. I appreciate y'all. If you're watching me over on YouTube, remember to go ahead and subscribe. Uh, shout out to the Deconstruction Junction. Even all the people who were bitching and moaning in the in the comments over on Deconstruction Junction. Uh, I don't know why I never joined. Um, if you're watching me from the Black Atheist Coalition, I appreciate you there. Shout out to the folks that were watching me over on Twitch, I appreciate you there watching me on Twitch and on Facebook.
Yo, I'm going to go ahead and get out of here. We're going to get We're going to do THIS AGAIN TOMORROW.
>> OH MY GOD, Y'ALL. I JUST FOUND MY POST.
I'm a lively statistic on ancestry.com.
>> Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Let's Let's [ __ ] go. Let's go.
>> YAY. HEY.
>> YEAH.
>> You know, that's another thing I was talking to Dr. Tucker about. We shouldn't have to pay for those records.
He done look all through my mom [ __ ] And um yeah, it's a lot going on. Uh >> I'm I'm starting on the on the free trial.
>> I'm looking for having >> All right, y'all. So, yeah, I'm I'm I'm I'm have to go, y'all. So, let's go.
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