MAGA VS MAGA On Epstein

[00:00:00]Now that the usual daily I'm very tired of this goddamn new technology AI old man yells at cloud video is done. Let's talk about MAGA getting mad at MAGA. And well not really MAGA getting mad at MAGA. It's MAGA getting mad at America first. I think that is what it fun what it actually is technically if I'm if I'm not like lying to you. So there's a few familiar faces in here. One of them is Gavin McInness, the guy who made the Proud Boys. Uh, so you know, Fashy, but uh, the other one that I really want to focus on is actually a guy who used to work for Infowars uh, under Alex Jones.

[00:00:37]So, that's going to be fun. But first, let's go ahead and get into the fan art section because, of course, we are running the costume contest right now.

[00:00:46]So, of course, Living Thrash can said, "I don't think this outfit is good as the rest, but it doesn't hurt to try."

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[00:01:20]This is from the Walk Away Campaign. And the Walka Away Campaign is hosting a debate between lots of people, which is uh actually how I met Ocean and also Vic Rhino. So, I've I've been on one of these just online. All right, let's go ahead and see what the hell is going on here.

[00:01:51]Okay.

[00:01:51]>> A major issue for many Trump voters was deweaponization of our three-letter agencies. Immediately upon taking office, Trump brought in Pam Bondi, Cash Patel, and Dan Bonino to head up the DOJ and FBI. Cash and Dan had for years said that the FBI needed to be dismantled and reformed.

[00:02:09]The FBI's footprint has gotten so freaking big. And the biggest problem the FBI has had has come out of its intel shops. I'd break that component out of it. I'd shut down the FBI Hoover building on day one and reopening the next day as a museum of the deep state.

[00:02:25]And I take the 7,000 employees that building >> as a museum of the deep state. My guy, take the tinfoil hat off and snort less cocaine in the bathroom, please.

[00:02:38]>> And send them across America to chase down criminals. Go be cops. We're gonna come after the people in the media who lied about American citizens, who helped Joe Biden rig presidential elections.

[00:02:48]We're going to come after you. Whether it's criminally or civily, we'll figure that out. But yeah, we're putting you all on notice. However, Cash and Dan ended up giving promotions to some in the FBI who orchestrated the targeting of innocent people for January 6th.

[00:03:00]Critics of Pam Bondies have pointed out that no meaningful arrests have taken place of any deep state actors connected to the witch hunt against President Trump against any Epstein perpetrators or any of those connected with January 6th.

[00:03:11]>> Somebody says, "Hey, could you give me this link in my DMs?" I mean, I can just throw the link at you here and you can copy paste. That way, anybody who wants it can have it. One of the DOJ and FBI's first moves infamously was to invite social media influencers to the White House and present them with binders labeled the Epstein files phase 1, which contained no new information about the Epstein case that wasn't publicly known for years. Cash Patel, Dan Bonino, and Pam Bonnie did a complete about face on Epstein, stating that he definitely did kill himself and that there are no known perpetrators and participating.

[00:03:45]>> Man, it keep the the camera keeps going over to Gavin. is just like, "Hey, >> that he definitely did kill himself and that there are no known perpetrators."

[00:03:56]>> Just like, look at this man. Look at this man. As of right now, he's he's not having a good time. He's just not having a good time at all, even in the slightest. And it's it's really funny.

[00:04:12]Maybe it shouldn't be anywhere near as funny to me as it is, but I am I'm here for it. I'm here for Gavin McGinness.

[00:04:21]Doesn't know why he's here and participating in the abrupt narrative shift that it is now time to move on from Epstein.

[00:04:30]>> And this is something Donald Trump has talked about. The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.

[00:04:37]>> Will that really happen?

[00:04:38]>> It's sitting on my desk right now to review. Um, >> I remember when it became there was no client list after that.

[00:04:49]>> That's been a directive um by President Trump. Everything's going to come out to the public. The public has a right to know. Americans have a right to know.

[00:04:58]>> Who, if anyone, did Epstein traffic these young women to besides himself?

[00:05:04]>> Himself. There is no credible information. So, he only trafficked women to himself, except for all the people he invited onto the island for massages. Except for all of the information that we've gotten from the public Epstein files that have shown that he trafficked them to people like Donald J. Trump, who you legally can call a rapist, by the way. That's really funny. None. If there were, I would bring the case yesterday.

[00:05:28]>> You said Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide.

[00:05:32]People don't believe it.

[00:05:33]>> Well, I mean, listen, they have a right.

[00:05:36]>> Okay. I swear I've seen this Fox News looking lady before. Who is she? I do not recognize who she is.

[00:05:44]>> To their opinion, but as someone who has worked as a public defender, as a prosecutor, who's been in that prison system, who's been in the Metropolitan Detention Center, who's been in segregated housing, um you know a suicide when you see one. And that's what that was.

[00:05:58]>> He killed himself. You again, you want me to get I've I've seen the whole file.

[00:06:03]He killed himself. So the two of them, they came on, I don't know if you remember the interview, and they said, >> "I'll never forget it."

[00:06:08]>> Yeah. And they said, "He definitely killed himself. We can't tell you how we know that. Trust us, if you saw the evidence that we saw, then you would also come to the same conclusion." And people are like, "Oh, well, they said it and that's it." And I said to myself, hold on a minute. I'm a lawyer here.

[00:06:26]Okay. So, you've just told us that you have actually cleared every potential suspect. You have the exonerating evidence that says that nobody's guilty.

[00:06:40]Now, if you were telling us we have a suspect, we can't tell you why. We're building a case. It's I would say, "Okay, let's let's wait and let's see what happens." But you just told us that there's no case. So, why can't we all know why he why you're so convinced?

[00:06:59]>> Dan Bonjino quit the FBI after less than a year and immediately went on the attack against any conservative who criticized him for inaction in the FBI, including blocking countless followers who expressed their disappointment with him. So in essence, the fight that we are going to be witnessing is going to be a fight between people who call themselves America first and therefore are not MAGA, so they will be Republicans against Trump, calling him a pedophile, I guess, and then the MAGA ones that are okay with biddling kids.

[00:07:30]They'll pretend the position is something different, but I promise you that is exactly what it is. Many on the proagga side have praised Cash and Dan and Pam for their performance and attacked people who criticized them. So given that so many people fought for Trump to get in to fight weaponization to give people transparency about government corruption and cover-ups, why are the people who are demanding these things now being labeled panakans, doomers, black pillars, and traders? I feel like the Epstein debate has already been totally played out and had out and everybody's kind of reached their conclusions. I don't really know how much wiggle room there is for people on that or convincing there will be. And I think it just boils down to this. Do you believe Epstein killed himself in that prison cell? And do you and do you think that Jeffrey Epstein was just some wholesome guy that liked having pizza parties with grape soda and a beef jerky enthusiast? You either believe that stuff or you don't. I don't really think there's any much more room for debate.

[00:08:22]Now, as far as the people that Trump brought in that that they also seem to think that there was some there there. I mean, Pam Bondi's statements speak for themselves. And she said many of other things as well about the Epstein client list. And now all of a sudden, we're told that none of it exists. It's just Jeffrey Epstein. He just happened to become a teachers aid and then a billionaire and then he owns these islands. He's got all these security deals. He's got access.

[00:08:44]>> Yeah. He just happened to be connected to some of the all of the most powerful people in the entire world. And Elon Musk just happened to really really really really want to be invited. really wanted to be invited to the island and then he was, you know, not because he was too [ __ ] weird. How How does the guy who makes [ __ ] AI robot Grock too weird for the child diddling party?

[00:09:08][ __ ] hell.

[00:09:09]>> Those are the top people in the world, but there's just no there there. He just happened to like little kids. So, you either believe that or you don't.

[00:09:14]>> Well, and and it also required an act of [ __ ] Congress to get the disclosures that were promised by Trump on the campaign trail. And by the way, that is the primary reason that they're going guns blazing after Thomas Massiey's because he was responsible for passing that bill along with Roana. That is the reason that the Epstein financeier class is funding funneling $25 million to try and primary him, which will make it the most expensive primary in GOP history in the in the House.

[00:09:39]>> But the point of this segment and the point of the question is that I think that despite how anybody feels, it's weird. I think the handling of Epstein by this administration is weird and it seems like to simply acknowledge that it's weird is getting people labeled, you know, panicans and people are now suddenly going along with this whole like shut up, move on, stop talking about it. That's not really what people were saying.

[00:10:02]>> Brandon, a few things. Uh Owen, there's more to discuss than just saying you either believe what I believe.

[00:10:08]>> Sylvia says [ __ ] despite there not being a hyperrealistic sexbot released yet to the public. You know something we don't service the it's like role playing that's all I'll say >> which is what you're saying you you you must believe that Jeffrey Epstein was raping little kids and that the code wordss are grape soda beef jerky pizza and if you don't believe that then you believe that Epstein's a wholesome guide I think that's not how you really do evidence and that's not how you >> Wait hold on a second so but we're not denying No wait we're not denying that Epste was a pedophile right >> that's not how you do that >> wait wait wait wait but But are you are you denying that he was a pedophile?

[00:10:44]Hold on. Hold on. What? Why is that not the ground we can agree on commonly?

[00:10:49]>> We're not denying that he was a pedophile.

[00:10:51]>> I haven't seen evidence of prepubescent.

[00:10:53]>> You just said You just said he is mine.

[00:10:56]>> You said there's no new >> I don't I've never seen evidence of that. They've all been postpubescent.

[00:11:00]>> So now So now Epstein is not a pedophile.

[00:11:02]>> I I I I don't think so. No. Was he a do you think he was a an asset for intelligence? 32 states that have the age and 16 years old. By the way, Owen, >> this is amazing. See, actually, this is a very pivotal moment.

[00:11:14]>> This is where MAGA is out there. This is where No, no, hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

[00:11:18]Hold on. You don't get So, I say have at it. Defend Epstein. The stage is yours.

[00:11:22]The floor is yours. The floor is yours.

[00:11:24]>> Do you know why you unfollowed me?

[00:11:26]Because I corrected you and wrong facts about Epstein and you got a >> No. Actually, you you unfollowed me cuz you tried TO BLACKMAIL ME.

[00:11:33]YEAH, YOU TRIED TO BLACKMAIL.

[00:11:35]>> Oh my god, there is so much bad blood here.

[00:11:40]>> The fact that they managed to get these people into an actual room together to spend any amount of time is beyond me.

[00:11:48]Holy [ __ ] [ __ ] >> Blackmail you after?

[00:11:51]>> Yeah, you did. You tried to blackmail me blackmail you after. That's right.

[00:11:56]>> Wait, I tried to I tried to blackmail you after. Wait, hold on. So, we're not denying the blackmail part.

[00:12:03]Okay, at least it's not the blackmail that people like Elon Musk are afraid of. Man, that joke sounds horrible without any context. I will not give you context, though.

[00:12:12]>> Wait, are you admitting you blackmailed me? Yeah, she did. She is.

[00:12:14]>> I am. You think Mad is bad? I'm [ __ ] worst. Owen, >> what?

[00:12:22]What?

[00:12:24]What? You think Mad is bad? I'm [ __ ] worse, ma'am. Ma'am, you are the epitome of the meme. She's hysterical. Put her down.

[00:12:35]>> Owen, guess what? I corrected you one time and I said you got the dates wrong.

[00:12:39]And what did you do? You're protecting pedophiles >> on what?

[00:12:42]>> I corrected you on some on some wrong. I I don't remember the exact thing. It was some wrong stuff. And I said, >> I don't remember, but it was very important.

[00:12:49]>> THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED because I have read the [ __ ] file.

[00:12:53]>> Soda and beef jerky. That's what you probably >> Okay, so there probably So there is you.

[00:12:57]>> So Epstein was not a pedophile then. And he just was a grape soda enthusiast.

[00:13:03]Yay.

[00:13:05]Let him fight.

[00:13:06]>> Are you going to take that?

[00:13:08]>> You think that's evidence of you're going to go AND SAY HELLO? HELLO, FBI.

[00:13:13]This is the evidence that I have. Grape soda mentioned a thousand times in pizza.

[00:13:18]>> Evidence you have.

[00:13:18]>> So you if you're >> Yeah. If you're mentioning the same thing over and over again with exact same phrasing it it and you know that you're doing something wrong like [ __ ] children, it starts to sound like coded language. Ma'am, are you an idiot? Because I'm beginning to think you're an idiot.

[00:13:34]>> Look at your If you're Look at your kids. Hold on. Let me say this. If you look at your kid's phone and your kid is talking about potassy already, Linda, why don't YOU TELL ME WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT? ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT A [ __ ] ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT WEED? I don't give a [ __ ] what they're talking about. Did they rape the kids or not?

[00:13:51]>> Yes, kids were raped. ABSOLUTELY.

[00:13:57]>> Take it away, guys. Take it away.

[00:13:58]>> Tell me how the Hold on a second.

[00:14:01]Expert in the case. Tell me, Joie. Go ahead.

[00:14:04]>> All right. I want to say so the the the issue people are having is the word pedophile. It is like heopile or something.

[00:14:10]>> Oh my god. No.

[00:14:15]No. We are not doing the Actually, it's Epiphile. Actually, it's a hepopile.

[00:14:21]Actually, it's No, it's a [ __ ] child.

[00:14:24]Stop. I am a 34 yearear-old man. A 15-year-old girl is a goddamn child. I'm sorry. When's the woman's not very smart, is it? Not in this group, apparently. But I have never accused conservative women of being smart. They tend to uh advocate for things that strip their rights away. So, I mean, I don't want to be misogynistic. I don't think that that's a good thing to be. I don't think it's a smart thing to be that. And I don't think evidence bears out that it's a good position to have.

[00:14:54]But, uh, in this situation, >> when you're attracted to kids in a certain age, so I that's a semantic it's a semantic argument. But I do want to say, >> okay, thank you for pointing out it's a semantic argument because like I look at the so like 40-year-old guy is lusting after a 14-year-old girl and um another 40-year-old guy is lusting after a 12-year-old girl, shoot them both.

[00:15:16]>> That even if the age of consent is 15 or 16, wherever it is in the United States, trafficked children cannot consent.

[00:15:22]>> But didn't Pam Bondi herself say 10,000 videos and they were all child porn on Jeff? So why are we even?

[00:15:29]>> And she said the things that she saw were the most horrendous things that ever exist.

[00:15:32]>> And there has been.

[00:15:32]>> But have you not seen the photos and read the files? It's a there's emails.

[00:15:36]There's photos. There's video evidence.

[00:15:39]>> Have you seen photosp.

[00:15:44]Have you guys not seen it?

[00:15:46]>> Okay. So she's the host of Emily Saves America. Real quick. I Is she the person here? Hold on. Full debate on Jubilee Media's YouTube. Okay. So, please don't tell me she's the same person here. I don't think she's the same person. Is that No, there's no way. There's no way.

[00:16:07]Hold on. Uh Dean Withers Emily saves America.

[00:16:16]And it is her. It is her. It's not just Fox News face. No, that is her. Oh no, we're covering her twice today, guys. And I didn't even know it. I wasn't even aware we were covering her twice today.

[00:16:32]Uh, at least she's on a better position this time than the one that I know we're going to be covering later.

[00:16:39]>> The emails between Jeffrey Epstein and other people saying what they say are horrendous. There's one there's one where a little girl is saying she loves Jesus and Jesus makes her feel safe and they're making making fun of this or >> look okay I'm noting prove rape and killing every time someone submits something as a tip or whatever it's included in the files but that's less infinity in the files but no no so this is emails from Jeffrey >> emails and photos and we got a minute let me just% of the elephant in the room is we all know what what Epste was it was a MSAD operation because they felt like the left was getting too anti-Semitic. So MSAD wanted to catch guys fooling around with teenage girls.

[00:17:23]Uh >> the teenage girls never even went to the island.

[00:17:26]>> That's why I say why doesn't anybody answer how the case started? I mean you guys are the epsi. So tell me how the case started.

[00:17:33]>> Talk about the Florida case. The the one and only case. Are you talking about the young girls that called because of the massages in Florida?

[00:17:40]>> Tell me. Yeah. Tell me how >> this conversation here is why this is an issue. It's because it's not what's Epstein is a disgusting person.

[00:17:47]>> And there's the anti-semitism. Let's go.

[00:17:49]Let's rewind that anti-semitism real quick. Let's let's get back to that.

[00:17:53]>> Talk about the Florida case.

[00:17:55]>> The the one and only case. Are you talking about the young girls that called because of the massages in Florida?

[00:18:00]>> Tell me. Yeah. Tell me how >> this conversation here is why this is an issue. It's because it's not what's Epstein is a disgusting person and you can >> I feel like I undersshot >> uh >> the teenage girls never even went to the island.

[00:18:15]>> That's why I say why doesn't anybody answer how the case started. I mean you guys are the eps. So tell me how the case started.

[00:18:21]>> Talk about the Florida the one and only case.

[00:18:25]>> Okay Ravi. What which point was the anti-semitism? I'm confused. Am I missing something >> about the young girls that called because of the massages in Florida?

[00:18:35]>> Tell me. Yeah, tell me how this conversation here is why this is an issue. It's >> the glasses guy. Oh, Gavin McInness.

[00:18:41]Yeah, Gavin McInness is an anti-semite.

[00:18:43]That's like the island was a massage trap. Okay. Yeah. No. So, Gavin McInness is a piece of [ __ ] He's the guy who founded the Proud Boys. If you're not familiar with Gavin right here, this is the guy responsible for the Proud Boys.

[00:18:59]He was also hired by Adult Swim for a while. That was weird. But yeah, anywh who said I think he he is wearing Trump socks. He's 100% wearing Trump socks >> because it's not what's Epstein is a disgusting person and you can reclassify or argue about what he did. What did he I don't care. I don't care how he died.

[00:19:16]The fact is I think we're all glad he's dead and I hope more people are held responsible for what happened.

[00:19:21]>> But hold on. We can argue about how he died in a minute. Let me make my point.

[00:19:24]Let me make my point first. if he got it doesn't matter to my point's point.

[00:19:29]>> My point is the timing of the Epstein saga is the issue I have with the Epstein saga. And >> the timing of the Epstein saga is the issue you have with it. Is this going to be one of those things where it's like you guys only cared about Epstein when it was a useful thing to take down Trump. And that doesn't matter. That doesn't matter at all. Whether it was done recently or 10 years ago, it doesn't matter.

[00:19:56]Pedophile is a pedophile. He's hysterical. I can't say the next part because then my channel will be deleted and I will be in jail. So, let me go ahead and explain real quick. Every side of the political aisle holds blackmail on the other side. Every side of the political aisle does that. when they are in power. People who have power try to do what they can to maintain power. And holding blackmail over people who they do not like, who could one day gain power from them is exactly one of the ways that they will do that. The timing does not matter because the timing would be convenient when you used it against Democrats. If you decided to use it against Democrats, it would be convenient then, too. But it wouldn't unfuck the children. It wouldn't unpedophile the politicians. They would still be pedophiles and they would still have [ __ ] children. So, the timing part is a red herring. The timing, all that matters for the timing is the fact that somebody recognized it was a weapon and they thought there was more utility in it as a weapon as opposed to as an actual gear of justice. But now that we're past the point where it's already out, the timing ceased mattering. I believe when Trump referred it to as a hoax, he wasn't referring to the Epstein saga as a hoax, but the timing of the Epstein saga. Very interesting.

[00:21:14]>> That's the the timing can't be a hoax is when something is fabricated. The timing of the Epstein saga is not fabricated, and that is not how language works. He is trying to pretend that it doesn't matter. He's been doing that for months.

[00:21:28][ __ ] off.

[00:21:29]>> And I think this side of the room is going to be happy that I say this.

[00:21:32]Netanyahu leaves the White House and the next day Epstein becomes the biggest issue in the country and then right after that is Operation Midnight Hammer.

[00:21:40]I think there's actually a correlation to that.

[00:21:43]>> I'm not going down this road yet.

[00:21:45]>> What? You just you just did it.

[00:21:46]>> I know, but because my point is irrelevant to that for a moment.

[00:21:50]>> The timing of the Epstein release is the scandal. And the reason why we're all arguing with each other about the details of Epstein is exactly the purpose of the timing of the Epstein scandal >> because of the reason you just said or what what about the >> I think there's a whole lot going on here. It >> was used as leverage for operation midnight hammer. That's >> binder gate was February of 25. That was one month the administration that's something that you guys >> binderate about just said he's on your side. Y >> that's fine. And I disagree with Gavin about >> I'm on my side.

[00:22:21]>> So then why is so then why is Giza in jail? Well, she didn't do anything wrong. She didn't traffic anyone. She didn't She wasn't. So, why is she in jail? Why don't we let her out?

[00:22:28]>> Did you Did you cover the trial? Her friend Househav did.

[00:22:32]>> Jazelle deserves to be in >> You should You should look into House and Habits reporting and see what she did because guess what? She got charged with one trafficking count. Where is the mask? You You guys are saying that it's all these children that were raped. They wouldn't even admit, you know, the prosecution wouldn't even let Virginia Guay, who was the poster child of Epstein, uh, be, how do you say, testify against Gain Maxwell?

[00:22:53]>> Yeah. That doesn't mean that it didn't happen. That doesn't mean that there is not a case to be made. Your argument now ma'am, your argument is in short the fact that the United States justice system is often times inadequate to deal with real problems is evidence that the trafficking didn't happen. You cannot square that circle. the the the ways in which the United States justice system fails to do its job is not an argument in favor or against the events that occurred on Epstein's islands. You're an idiot.

[00:23:33]>> They allowed they she got charged with one count of trafficking to Jeffrey Epstein.

[00:23:38]>> Do you guys think that we're being told the truth about the nature of his death?

[00:23:41]>> Yes, I believe it.

[00:23:43]>> I think he was killed.

[00:23:44]>> You do?

[00:23:44]>> It's crazy. So, does that bother you that that is coming from Trump's administration cash?

[00:23:50]>> Absolutely. Absolutely. But you know, the guy that you just showed with the Yarmaka, he was hired by the Department of Justice to go in there and clean up.

[00:23:58]And his job was to stop weaponization.

[00:24:00]That was his role. And I think it's a perfect example of our split. By the way, he brought people that had been abused by the Department of Justice physically. He brought them into the office to give a face to the story. And he was told again and again, well, we can't do that. And I go, but it's Trump's administration. And he goes, not really. He goes, the DOJ is a hold over from from decades ago. And so he ended up quitting. I assume that that's what you were talking about on the podcast.

[00:24:26]He ended up quitting because he couldn't make any headway in this swamp, in this sludge. So I know you're mad at him for not draining the swamp, but talk to someone who's been there. It's a [ __ ] nightmare.

[00:24:36]>> Well, I agree, but this is where I guess my fantasies come into play. I the reason I fought for Trump was to end that. And I think and I think what makes it so I think >> he's trying. He's trying. He's trying.

[00:24:46]He's trying. He's trying. That's why he's failed for 6 years. He's failed for 6 years, by the way. He's actually made the swamp even more murky. Read Project 2025.

[00:24:56]>> What makes it so bitter is you say, "Well, he's trying." Okay. Well, let's say I believe he's trying. Well, guess what? It's not getting done. But you know whose desires are getting done? The foreign interests and the special interests there. Nobody's going to stop them from building the AI surveillance state. Nobody's able to stop them from go to war in the Middle East. We can't drain our own swamp that was weaponized against our >> There it is. There it is. Like the Why do we need to compete with China for AI?

[00:25:22]Why is AI so important that we need to compete with China for it in the first place? Why? What is the compet Like what do we win in the competition? I'm just curious. What do we win in that competition? What does it mean? Why do we need it? Like even the United States space race against the USSR was a silly venture when we did it. I just why why do we care? Why do we give a [ __ ] about China? Moreover, like they own a good chunk of American industry, especially the video game industry. Look at Tencent. Like 90% of the goods we have come from them. Why are we so worried about them being like a major competitor? Why is that something that anybody should give a [ __ ] about? Please explain it to me like I'm 12.

[00:26:06]>> So that's the problem. I I think I I think first of all it's better to lower the temperature. I think when it comes to Epstein, I think the handling was wrong. I I don't think there should have been so much posturing cuz then you have to stand on that, right? You can't you can't there can't be what is I think 4 million or 5 million files. You're a month into the administration. Obviously they're not able to comb through 5 million files in that time. So don't speak about something that you're actively pursuing because you don't know actually what's in there and what's not in there. And I think that did and I think it's legitimate a lot of these conspiracy theories that surround Epstein. And I think the handling was poor. But I think at the same time Trump was the only president that released 2 million files. Trump was the president that did that. This didn't happen under Joe Biden. This >> congressional law you're going to get him credit for no better.

[00:26:58]There has been so many releases. We must be better than the Chinese commies. But uh why >> released them before? And to address your your question.

[00:27:08]>> Yes, he did. Yes, he did.

[00:27:09]>> No, he didn't.

[00:27:10]>> Go back go back and sign into law year after year after year >> in the post. In terms of your question of like do I do I think Epstein was a pedophile? I think he was. I don't think there there's this mountain of evidence that backs that up. I think >> Wait, you you don't think that the the like 30,000 [ __ ] files that we have, the actual Epstein files, the ones that are available for public viewing right now on the internet, everybody can see them. You don't see any of that any of that as evidence? None.

[00:27:48]Really?

[00:27:51]Really? How? Please explain that to me again. Explain it like I'm 12. How is 30,000 emails of evidence with pictures and dates and testimonials and all of that [ __ ] How is that not evidence? You can argue it's weak evidence. But how but how is it evidence? Also, rounded candle, shut the [ __ ] up. Stop with the random anti-semitic [ __ ] You can be anti-Zion and not be anti- [ __ ] Jew.

[00:28:20]You're being an idiot. cease.

[00:28:22]>> Personally, he was. And then in terms of him killing herself in >> said why? Why? Oh, okay. Cool. That's fine. Uh I have a good reason as to why.

[00:28:31]Uh because your message is about to disappear. That's why. That's why. Oh, look. They're gone.

[00:28:38]Nothing else there. What a god. Yeah.

[00:28:40]No, I agree, Jessica Davis. What a goddamn loser. Here's the thing. The fact that somebody that you don't like is saying something is not evidence that they are a Jew. Moreover, being a Jew is not a [ __ ] problem.

[00:28:55]You can be Jewish and it not hurt anybody. It's just a religion.

[00:29:01]Technically, it's an ethnic religion because of dumb [ __ ] but it's it is a religion. It doesn't matter. Go after people who are actually doing something wrong. Israel, the state does things wrong. Israelis, as in people who happen to be Jewish, who happen to be born in the walls of Israel, are not actually the [ __ ] problem.

[00:29:22]>> I disagree. I think he did kill himself.

[00:29:24]I think Kosh specifically I think Kosh was specifically someone who was kind of like you before joining the administration was like very much he didn't kill himself. if there was anyone that was like trying to find an answer and he came out and he said he he did kill himself and so unless you can provide evidence that he didn't kill >> his cellmate came out this week >> that he didn't saying that he killed himself >> not the [ __ ] head of the FBI LIKE WHY DO WE have to prove it and not you can't the burden of proof when >> it's on them and that's what he said but that I'm saying that's what >> the burden of proof is on the state >> no no you can't pro you can't prove a negative like if if if he Dude, you can show me the footage from the jail. Why did the cameras die?

[00:30:07]>> You No, you can't. Gavin. Gavin. No.

[00:30:09]Please, Gavin. Don't be a [ __ ] idiot.

[00:30:11]Gavin. Gavin. You [ __ ] You cannot prove a negative. That is That is actually sound logic. Negatives can't be proven. That is the point. What? No.

[00:30:21]Stop.

[00:30:21]>> The cameras died at that one minute. And it wasn't his uh the security guards fell asleep.

[00:30:25]>> His roommate ahead of time. Didn't he die of CO?

[00:30:27]>> No. His roommate just came out and said that he his roommate just came out and said that he'd for sure killed himself.

[00:30:32]And >> what about the autopsy and what his brother said?

[00:30:34]>> Well, he could have said whatever, but House and Havit has been talking to him for years and been posting about it for years and she got ahead of the New York Post who's posting it now. And one of the things that he told her, which you guys don't want to hear because you've already convinced himself that it's a mad operation, that they were raping kids, was that Jeffrey Epstein while he was in jail, tried to kill himself the first time, lied about the roommate hitting him so that he could be moved to a cell on his own, and that's when he ended up killing himself.

[00:31:01]>> But that wouldn't change how the suicide watch works at all. He still is on suicide watch, so no, that would change.

[00:31:05]But I again, I think we have to get down to basics here, okay? Did Jeffrey Epste work with Gilane Maxwell?

[00:31:10]>> Yes. Yeah, that was his girlfriend.

[00:31:11]>> Okay. Who was Who was Maxwell? Hold on.

[00:31:14]Who was Maxwell's father?

[00:31:15]>> Assad.

[00:31:16]>> Who was Maxwell's father?

[00:31:17]>> Maxwell.

[00:31:18]>> See, you shrug because you don't want to give the answer because it hurts your stance.

[00:31:21]>> It doesn't hurt my stance at all.

[00:31:23]>> It absolutely does. Because what does >> HE'S TIED INTO INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES UP ONE SIDE and down the other.

[00:31:27]>> But that doesn't prove anything, Owen.

[00:31:29]>> What do you mean that doesn't prove?

[00:31:30]That's circumstantial evidence.

[00:31:31]>> Exactly. You know what? Circumstantial evidence.

[00:31:34]>> Circumstantial evidence means >> Yeah. So, for those who don't know, Galileain Maxwell's father, um, Robert Maxwell was a, uh, British media proprietor, a member of Parliament. Like, he's a he's a dude in power. No wonder she got connected.

[00:31:51]>> Here's a guy.

[00:31:52]>> That's not even admissible in court.

[00:31:53]>> Here you go. Here's your circumstantial evidence. Okay. Here's a guy who's connected to the intelligence agencies up one side and down the other. He's also connected to all of Trump's attorneys, by the way. He got a sweetheart deal on that Florida case.

[00:32:04]And then he and then he magically kills himself in prison with no footage, no security guard with a toilet paper.

[00:32:10]>> He didn't he didn't get a sweetheart deal.

[00:32:12]>> Yeah, he did.

[00:32:12]>> He didn't even am I able to talk or are you just going to [ __ ] scream at me? I forgot.

[00:32:18]>> Are you able to tell me how the case started from the very beginning?

[00:32:20]>> Yes. Girls were recruited to start. You're not able to tell me, right? I'll tell you why. Because Governor DeSantis signed the law changed the law of our state to please people like you guys. You know what it is to change the law of our state? because they wanted more stuff to come out. Of course, you don't know that because why would you know that? You know [ __ ] No, no, no. I'm not wrong. But you'll find out when Aosta when a cut had nothing to do with it, >> man. They are they are struggling. They are struggling. But also like just looking at this, why are you going so hard to bat for the pedophile? And like whether I'm talking about Jeffrey Epstein or Donald Trump, I mean realistically you can figure out which one that is. Why? What is the what do you gain from that?

[00:33:06]>> About to meet Governor DeSantis signed a law in 2024 >> with what?

[00:33:12]>> Pull up your phone. Somebody pull up the phone. He signed a law to get all of the documents that were in the Florida court that nobody had seen before that only the judge is allowed to release. He bypassed the judge, signed the law, released everything from the files. And guess what? Guess what we found out? You know how the case started, Owen? Girls were bragging, the teen girls were bragging at school about the money they were making from an old guy in Palm Beach giving the massages they get.

[00:33:40]>> So pedophilia, pedophilia is good if money exchanges hands. I wasn't aware that dollar bills scrubbed your sins.

[00:33:54]That's news to me.

[00:33:56]>> Into a fight because one girl calls the other one a prostitute. Her mind her mom finds out cause the cops. The case starts. The girls are bragging about the money they were making. They weren't in the distress. They weren't saying they were raped and abused because >> right that's how things began. Then what about all of the other women? What about all of the tens of women above those?

[00:34:20]Ma'am, you're looking awfully female to be okay with rape.

[00:34:26]>> Most of them when the >> like I'm sorry, but it this is the thing that bothers me, right? So, like, let's get a couple things out of the way. We We live in a rape culture, right? Like that's that's an undeniable thing. We live in a culture that makes it easier to make jokes at women's expense in regards to sex. And we tend to downplay things with [ __ ] like that where you're just like it's it's like you it's it's okay because you liked it. It's okay because money exchanged hands. Like that's that's all rape culture. That's what that is. That is exactly what it is. So there are a few categories of person that confuses me, right? The black segregationist. This person confuses the [ __ ] out of me. I do not understand why you would be a segregationist in general, but I most certainly don't understand why you would be one while also being the person who gets hurt by it the most. Like that feels really dumb and stupid and dumb.

[00:35:21]So, I'm just curious here. Why is the woman defending rapists? It just you are the kind I mean, granted, she's a little too old for Epstein, so maybe that's the reason why, but I I don't get it. Why would you defend this when it perpetuates a culture that does nothing but hurt you? What do you gain from that other than like more rapists who feel more bold? It just feels dumb.

[00:35:48]>> Pops started their investigation. You know what they said? I don't think Jeffrey did anything wrong. We were getting some of them were getting paid for. These are their own testimony.

[00:35:58]Let me just WAIT. SO YOU'RE MAD AT THE TESTIMONY that I read. You're mad at the testimony. You know what? Some of the girls said they got cars.

[00:36:07]THEY GOT THEIR college they got their college paper and you don't think these girls know what the [ __ ] THEY'RE DOING?

[00:36:12]>> I FIND IT funny that you're leaving out the entire years investigation. Enjoy.

[00:36:16]Enjoy. Enjoy it.

[00:36:17]>> Rounded candle says, "This woman is like a chicken praying to KFC."

[00:36:21]>> Yeah. Yeah. That's basically what it is.

[00:36:24]>> I will enjoy it.

[00:36:25]>> Enjoy this position. I will enjoy it.

[00:36:27]I'll enjoy it. I made I made plenty of videos about it. What am I enjoying? The truth. You don't like the fact that I actually read the files. You don't like the fact that I'm voting. You don't like the fact that I'm >> talking about the grand jury testimony from Florida.

[00:36:39]>> And you don't like No, you don't like >> YOU KNOW WHY THEY REVERSED?

[00:36:41]>> YOU DON'T LIKE THE VICTIM TESTIMONY?

[00:36:43]>> NO, but do you know why they reversed it?

[00:36:45]>> They broke the law. Yeah, they broke the law. They did not tell the deal to the victims that they were giving to Jeffrey Epste. That's why he was rearrested.

[00:36:52]There was a yearong investigation into Florida. They brought the investigation.

[00:36:56]He was caught.

[00:36:58]Man, it's really funny because we could like look all of this [ __ ] up and figure out who's wrong. In the meantime, let them fight.

[00:37:06]>> At the Miami Herald, a very corrupt institution, which I guess you guys are cool with it now, started to talk to the victims again, started an investigation, and got >> remember news organizations are corrupt when they show news. I don't like no evidence, by the way.

[00:37:22]>> Him in New York because they couldn't get >> He's an innocent guy.

[00:37:26]>> I don't think he's wholesome.

[00:37:27]>> No. Everything you're saying can be true and it's also a msad spy op.

[00:37:30]>> I I don't think he's a mad I don't >> Okay, so what's funny about that? I actually have watched a video that did make a decent case that Epstein was bed buddies with people like Netanyahu. Like he knew a lot of people in power and not just people in the United States. I'm just saying I don't like Gavin making the point because he's an anti-semite and I know he's doing it because he wants to throw Jewish question [ __ ] out there, but we can admit Israel is doing a genocide, right? Okay, cool. Like, if we can admit that, then um we can admit Netanyahu is corrupt. And if we can admit that, then like we're already halfway there to having problems with Epstein doing the [ __ ] he's doing, you know, in regards to all that with Netanyahu. Like we can do that. That's easy.

[00:38:22]>> I've never seen any hero in this claim.

[00:38:25]>> His girlfriend was just his girlfriend was just his his girlfriend's dad was just the head of Assad. Just >> say is that the one case where Assad looks good and then argue against >> good. It's okay for you to support it.

[00:38:34]Assad looks good.

[00:38:36]>> A bunch of >> Well, I don't believe because I don't believe it's I I They look good.

[00:38:41]>> Assad organized this whole sex ring in order to bust.

[00:38:44]>> No, you you made this up. You have no evidence of that.

[00:38:46]>> Not just Bill Clinton.

[00:38:47]>> You have no evidence of that. Yeah.

[00:38:49]>> Wait, can I just ask a question? I'm complimenting Israel.

[00:38:53]>> Go ahead.

[00:38:54]>> But why are you see this?

[00:38:55]>> I want to do it, too.

[00:38:56]>> This is Israel derangement syndrome. No one.

[00:39:04]>> Huh?

[00:39:07]I ma'am. Ma'am, I'm going to need you to talk.

[00:39:14]>> Is talking about Israel, but she has to BRING UP ISRAEL.

[00:39:18]WHY ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT ISRAEL?

[00:39:20]WHY ARE YOU BRINGING UP ISRAEL?

[00:39:22]>> I NEVER SAID THAT, OWEN.

[00:39:25]>> Israel derangement.

[00:39:28]>> To be fair, it was Gavin who who just mentioned Mosad operation.

[00:39:31]>> Great. Well, Gavin, why do you have Israel derangement syndrome?

[00:39:35]>> I would take maybe like I don't know to step back from not us because >> I I saw so much of that. that I had a mental breakdown and literally had to like call my mom and I was like, I am now religious because I believe the [ __ ] devil exists and it's within these people. But I'm like just common sense. You have this guy, he somehow is connected to every model, politician, everyone around the world. He was kind of a nobody and now he has like all this money, all this power. And I'm like, you don't get to that place unless you are doing something inherently [ __ ] evil with a large price tag on it.

[00:40:12]>> You're halfway there. You are halfway there. You are so close to the anti- capitalist position. You You are so close to it, ma'am. You're almost there.

[00:40:22]You're so close to the conversation about how you can't actually be an ethical billionaire. You're right there.

[00:40:30]Just Yeah. Just one just one more brain cell. Just one more.

[00:40:35]>> And it's like, come on. We've seen like the sound of freedom and all this [ __ ] This is not a fake thing. Trafficking is like not a fake thing. There's a lot of money for children.

[00:40:43]They weren't children.

[00:40:44]>> Wasn't Sound of Freedom panned by people who actually deal with trafficked victims >> because it Hollywoodized stuff in such a way that would cause people to be emboldened to do things that would actually make their jobs way harder.

[00:40:55]Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain I remember that being a thing.

[00:40:59]>> That's not what happened in this.

[00:41:00]>> Okay, let me let me finish. To think organically this guy's timeline did not involve being a pedophile or harming children or any of these is [ __ ] crazy. And I >> see any evidence of that.

[00:41:12]>> Okay. I I'm just confused because I thought I've seen like millions of pages of photos videos you're talking about and some of the emails are just that >> just about saying that she has the client list and she's like THIS IS THE WRONG CHOICE. So she just lied. I think I I think like he said Pam Bondi lied.

[00:41:31]>> Yes, I think a lot of them got ahead. I do think that and I think she was the wrong choice.

[00:41:35]>> But did Pam Bondi lie?

[00:41:37]>> Probably.

[00:41:38]>> So she lied. She never saw a client list. She never saw the videos.

[00:41:40]>> Probably. Are you are you panicking the reason?

[00:41:44]>> Okay, so that was it for all of that.

[00:41:53]It's really funny watching people I don't like defend pedophiles because that's all that was. It's less funny to watch people who are from Infowars and are objectively really really wrong on like 99% of things be on the right side of at least one thing. But that's kind of where we were at in that entire that entire ordeal. Jesus Christ.

[00:42:13]I just if you're a right-winger right now and you still support Donald Trump, I need you to type in my comment section at this exact moment, I support pedophilia. Somebody's got to clip that.

[00:42:25]But no, you need to do that because it's the truth. It is the truth that you have at that point. Like that is what you're at. That is where you're at. It was just pedophilia. It was just pedophilia bad.

[00:42:35]Okay. But is it and the brain damage and the brain damage? Yeah, there's certainly a lot of that going on. Trey says I support asexuals. I mean, yeah, that's fine. That's that's perfectly based to do. Pedophilia, on the other hand, less based. Maybe don't. Maybe do not the children. Sienna says and the brain damage.

[00:42:53]All righty. All right. Well, we're going to move on to the next thing. But I felt, did anybody else feel gross watching a bunch of conservative pundits just sit there and like wax lyrical about how Epstein might not have been that bad?

[00:43:09]Like, I don't know. I just feel really gross about that whole thing.

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