Cenk Uygur GOES SCORCHED EARTH Pro-Israel Mouthpiece Iran War Propaganda

[00:00:00]Can I respond? This utter rubbish garbage Israeli propaganda knew it's a mind virus and you've lost your mind.

[00:00:07]Okay, so just yeahism blah blah blah blah blah. We've heard that garbage over and over to shield Israel from criticism. We're not going to take it anymore. You call the whole country anti-semmites. You think Israel's called all of America anti-semites. 85% of us don't want this war. And then you come in AND GO, "YOU DIRTY ANTI-SEMITE AMERICANS. YOU OWE US MORE WAR. YOU OWE US TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS. WE ARE BELOVED ISRAEL. WE WANT ENDLESS WARS."

[00:00:38]>> This clip is from before the war started and it is one of the most important things you can watch right now because Chanka Weaguer and Dave Smith, two people who agree on almost nothing politically, sat on the same panel and said the same thing. This war is for Israel, not for America, not for the Iranian people, for Israel. 85% of Americans did not want it. Trump ran on no new wars. And the people loudest about sending American troops and American money into another Middle Eastern catastrophe were not even American. One Canadian, uh, one Britishbased screaming for America to go to war, while the actual Americans on the panel said, "Enough." This was recorded before the bombs dropped, before the street closed, um before gas hit $440, before a billion dollars a day started being spent with no exit plan.

[00:01:30]Everything Chank and Day predicted has come true. I'm Justin. This is Justin Speaks. Hit that like button, subscribe, and stay locked in because the full breakdown is at the end.

[00:01:41]Turning now to my panel is the founder and CEO of the Young Turks, Cent Yuga, the Iranian American attorney and activist Elica Labon, and former Canadian lawmaker and Iran activist Goldie Gamari, and Dave Smith will be joining us uh shortly. So, welcome to all of you. Um Elica Labon looks increasingly Well, welcome back to Uncensored first of all.

[00:02:02]>> Thank you.

[00:02:05]Uh just in terms of where we are with this, I the scale of the buildup of the military on the United States side suggests that a military strike is almost inevitable. Is that a good thing?

[00:02:21]>> Yes, it is absolutely a good thing. We have a regime who we've just witnessed committing an unprecedented massacre, one of the worst atrocities in modern times. And there really is no way for this regime to go down by just simply relying on the Iranian people. They do not have weapons. They do not have any means to take this regime out. The idea that the Iranian people should free themselves is is as absurd as saying a person who is kidnapped and held hostage in somebody's basement without any weapons should free themselves. And so there really is no other means to take this regime out. And so now we're in a position where this regime has gone as far as it can possibly go. It's funded its proxies across the Middle East. It has supported massacres such as October 7th. It has shown unrelentless signs of committing its empire expansion across the Middle East. It has embedded and entrenched in its ideology its intent to do so. It has killed Israelis, Iranians, even Muslims. And there really is no better solution for humanity than to remove this regime with targeted strikes on military bases, which by the way is a rescue operation and really doesn't need to be framed as a war.

[00:03:33]Changa, uh, welcome back to Uncensored.

[00:03:36]Always good to have you. the, you know, when I hear someone like Elica talking in such a um emotive way about this, I completely understand why a lot of people who have a vested personal interest in in Iran uh and have so many people they know there obviously feel this strongly about it. But I'm skeptical when I hear people like John Bolton because it reminds me exactly of the buildup to the Iraq war, which I opposed as editor of the Daily Mirror in the UK. I led the media campaign against it over here and was very uh sad and angry when I failed in that campaign. I wish I'd been successful. But it's the same kind of jungle drums beating. And the problem is once you go into a place like Iraq as it turned out or now Iran, then it's very hard to control the sequence of events that follows. I don't see this as being as clean a situation as say Venezuela where you just take out Maduro and everyone goes home. I think this could be a real hornet's nest.

[00:04:37]>> Yeah. So, um, Young Turks is the longest running show in online history. So, we were on the air during the Iraq War buildup and we were one of only two national shows screaming, "No, don't do it. Don't listen to people like John Bolton. The neocons have always been wrong, preposterously wrong. They said, uh, oh, Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. It's so dangerous. We have to go in. They said it was connected to 911. It was all lies. Now, here comes the same liars lying to us again on behalf of Israel and saying, "Oh my god, Iran is so dangerous. Uh, uh, weapons of mass destruction. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the ticket. We'll use that same BS argument." And then the second argument coming from John Bolton and the Israelis is hilarious. We care. so much about the Iranian people. Those Muslim lives mean so much to Israel and to the neocons. That's why we have to bomb them and kill them. Get out of here.

[00:05:31]Nonsense. So, look, you for the folks on here who are Iranian, there are plenty of uh Persians who say, "Yeah, we hate this current government. I don't blame him for that. I have great sympathy for them uh in that regard." But you could say, "Hey, the Iranian people would like this. Trust me, bro." Maybe, maybe the Israelis can say, "We demand another war in the Middle East on our behalf. Iran is four times the size of Iraq, and that one cost you a couple of trillion dollars and and hundreds of thousands of people lost their lives, but we demand that America listen to our orders again." And that's exactly what they're doing. Or we could listen to the American people. How is this a difficult choice? You cited a poll where 70% of Americans said, "We don't want this."

[00:06:13]There's another poll out that says 85%.

[00:06:15]So if we were having a panel here that was representative of the American people, it would be at least eight people saying, "No, don't go in. It has nothing to do with us." And two people going, "Yeah, we need it for Iran." And one person for Iran, one person going, "We need it for Israel." So we don't need it at all. It's going to be an epic disaster if we get in. Unfortunately, the president's a bit of a child. So the Israelis lead him around by the nose.

[00:06:37]Attack their sights. No. No. GET THEIR URANIUM. NO. GET THEIR BALLISTIC MISSILES. NO. and make sure they don't uh support the proxy groups. Constantly pushing and pushing the American people into their stupid endless wars where we waste so many lives and the entire American treasure. We did $8 trillion on the global war on Israel's enemies.

[00:06:58]Enough. Serve America. Going into this war would be absolute madness and it would turn into disaster. On behalf of the American people, I say loudly, no.

[00:07:10]Okay, Goldie Gamari, you fled Iran as a toddler. Um, so you no one is more personally invested in its future than somebody like you. What is your response to to Cheng Yuga?

[00:07:23]>> I mean, this whole Jews control the world trope is just becoming very old.

[00:07:30]>> Um, this is Please don't interrupt me, Chank. I let you spout your jihadi propaganda. I don't have the time or patience to deal with your nonsense. So, if you All right. You know what? Um, Pierce, I actually just sent you a clip of the Islamic regime, the state TV airing your interview from last time where they are defending Chank and they're attacking me. I just sent that clip to your producer. So, um, you know, you have to ask yourself when you have the Islamic regime defending the arguments of someone like Cheng, it makes you wonder, is Cheng working for the regime or is he being a useful idiot for them? All I'm saying is that, you know, these these anti-semitic tropes, no one's buying them anymore.

[00:08:16]Ultimately, the people have made it very clear what they want. Um, and as you can see, the fact that even I'm speaking is threatening Trank so much that he feels the need to laugh and interrupt. But, you know, I I I do not um listen to the words or I don't even like want to legitimize the words of anyone who is being defended by the Islamic regime because you don't go on the Islamic regime state TV unless you're basically sanctioned by homony. So, it's very strange to me that someone who claims that they're America first is being defended by the Islamic regime.

[00:08:52]>> Well, to be clear, I don't think has gone on Iranian state TV. They they've used a clip of him, right? He hasn't gone.

[00:08:59]>> Exactly. They they used they used a clip of him to defend his arguments about how Israel is behind everything. So again, when your arguments use a clip of you on the curse, does that mean we agree with you? when when the Islamic regime is basically relying on the arguments of someone like Chank Huger uh especially with these anti-semitic tropes. I think it just goes to show how strange the situation.

[00:09:22]>> Okay, let me bring in Dave Smith.

[00:09:25]Welcome back to Welcome back. If you don't go to war for Israel, yeah, nobody's buying that crap anymore. Go fight your own wars. Besides which, you obviously work for the Israelis. So who should why should we listen to the Israelis?

[00:09:39]>> Last time I checked your name is not >> Chank your name is not Dave Smith. You may like it to be but it's not. Uh so let me come to the actual Dave Smith Dave. Um, this is I'm seeing a lot of this push back actually from people on the Iranian side saying this whole debate gets quickly framed as this is what Israel wants to do in Iran when actually there might be perfectly legitimate reasons why the United States for its own defense uh and for its own geopolitical reasons uh may want to dismantle this Iranian regime. Uh well, okay, but this is an argument I've seen.

[00:10:17]What is your response to to that argument that it's not just that Israel's bidding, it actually suits America to do this? And indeed, I've seen people like Saudi Arabia and others saying, you know, they've been reported as saying they're perfectly happy if if the US wants to do this.

[00:10:33]>> Well, I mean, well, first off, I'll I'll defend Jenk on say I don't know. I think I'm the only Jewish guy on the panel here. There's nothing even remotely anti-Semitic about what Jenk said. And obviously, Pierce, there's no Do you speak for the >> No, I think all this I No, I don't. I think actually all this identitarianism is pretty stupid. But I think it was pretty stupid to call Jenk anti-semitic for saying that obviously is I mean PICE it's just completely undeniable that Israel wants this war. Every other week Netanyahu comes here and when he does that's all they talk about. If you want to say that, I mean, look, of all the wars, in fact, you know, John Mirshimer and Walt wrote that great book, uh, The Israel Lobby, and they had a couple great anecdotes in there where, uh, US officials were saying during the Iraq war to the Israelis, like, "Hey, like, shut up, cuz you're making this look like this is a war for Israel." Like, you don't want to reveal that too much.

[00:11:25]In this case, this is clearly a war for Israel. I mean, that's what the geopolitical motivator is here. And listen, for you guys, I I'm I'm an anti-government guy across the board.

[00:11:35]I'm anti- all governments including uh the mullas and the Ayatollah. But if you want if you're actually arguing that US foreign policy moves based on humanitarian uh uh impulses, it's just too ridiculous. I mean, we back the Saudis in their genocide of the people of Yemen. We back Israel and their genocide of the people of Gaza. We back all types of just brutal regimes. The uh United Arab Emirates and their role in Sudan right now, that doesn't stop us from backing them. So the idea that this has anything to do um with like the treatment of the Iranian people, that's all just ridiculous. It's not about that. And Pierce, all those people, all those same people who you correctly stood up and fought against who wanted to lie us into Iraq, they've all in their own words admitted that Iran has always been the goal that eventually we get regime change there, too. And as far as the idea that well we can do a regime change without boots on the ground. Um it's possible maybe maybe they can locate where the Ayatollah is and take him out and maybe that does unlike the situation in Venezuela actually take out the regime. But there's every reason in the world to think that that would be the worst thing for the Iranian people.

[00:12:43]You look at examples like Libya or Syria where we were able to orchestrate regime changes without massive numbers of troops on the ground and it's a disaster for the people. It's Libya is a failed state to this day and that is what Benjamin Netanyahu is quite happy to make Iran um because they see that as advantageous to them. And so yeah, that's all a big part of this and why any sane American would want to support this policy. It makes no sense as as Jenk said, no one wants this war. None of the other states in the region want it. Europe doesn't want it. Your own country, Pierce, has has been given push back to the US over the last 48 hours about it. The American people don't want it. The only people who want this war are Israel and the Israel lobby essentially.

[00:13:25]>> That's not true.

[00:13:26]>> Elo, I can see you I can see you frowning there, Elo. What's What's your response to Dave Smith? First of all, you know, the idea that Israel wants this war and therefore that negates everything else in the universe just proves that this anti-ionist ideology makes Israel the sun around which they orbit. And when they orbit Israel like the sun, nothing else exists to them anymore. It is perfectly possible for multiple people to align in a shared goal. Of course, Israel wants this war.

[00:13:54]Why would Israel not want to take out a regime that has been terrorizing them through their pro proxies not just for the past two years but for the past decades? Of course, it is in Israel's interest as it should be because why wouldn't you want a terrorist state that has an esqueological vision of eliminating you for justice to arrive on earth to be eliminated. Okay? Yes, we all understand it is Israel's goal and good for them that it's their goal.

[00:14:21]Okay. Second of all, the Iranian people also have their own sovereignty, their own national interests in mind, and those are aligned goals. Now, it isn't just the Iranian people. It isn't just the Israeli people. If you do not eliminate the Islamic regime, you end up in a forever war that ultimately implicates the US. And so, if you don't want war, you take out this regime. You said you could do diplomacy with with the with the regime all of these years.

[00:14:47]You tried to do the JCPOA. You tried to do do this Obama style diplomacy and then what happened down the line? Their proxies just kept getting stronger. They continued to do their attacks all over the Middle East. They did October 7th and what happened when October 7th happened was that Israel had to go to war with Hamas. And guess what? The US had to be implicated to defend its ally.

[00:15:07]So if you don't want a forever war forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever, you have to eliminate the source of the forever war. You have to eliminate the people. You have to eliminate the people who make war inevitable. Israel has only ever responded to the acts of the regime and to to go even further.

[00:15:28]>> It was actually very popular at the time to say no to war with Germany, to say no to war with the Nazis. But guess what?

[00:15:36]All of those deaths that ensued, those were deaths that made were made inevitable by the Nazis because they were relentless. You had the peace for our time, the Munich agreement where everyone was like, finally we're going to have peace. Then they invaded Poland.

[00:15:50]And you can see these people who are ideological extremists will always inevitably pull the entire world into war. So if you are anti-war, fantastic.

[00:15:58]Let's eliminate this regime so there's no more wars and no more threats to the United States and the rest world.

[00:16:04]>> Well, thank you so much, Pierce. First of all, I just want to uh thank the general uh for his service um and uh thank all American uh military for for everything they've done to defend democracy and freedom around the world.

[00:16:15]So, thank you for your service, General.

[00:16:16]Um so, the way that we have to frame this and the way that we have to look at it, Pierce, is that um right now, uh we are in a forever war with the Islamic regime. And what happened is back in 1979, it was Jimmy Carter and the Democrats that backed the Ayatollah and that's what basically led to the Islamic coup d'eta. And so right now Iran is unfortunately a failed state. And so what Iranians are trying to do is you know we're trying to rectify the mistake. Uh is regime change the goal?

[00:16:52]100% absolutely. We Iranians, we have been trying to uh fix Jimmy Carter's mistake since 1979.

[00:17:01]And this is the first time since the uh Islamic regime took over that we actually have a United States president who is standing with the Iranian people, recognizing full well that uh US and Iranian interests are aligned right now.

[00:17:17]And by Iranian, I mean the Iranian people. I don't mean the Islamic regime that's occupying us because you know what as the general said prior to 1979 Iran and the United States were allies.

[00:17:29]So right now right now the country is currently in that failed state situation and I can say that you know Iranians in occupied Iran are incredibly grateful that the United States is is coming to um help liberate them. This is not a war pierce. This is not a war. This is a rescue mission. the the United States is coming to help rescue 90 million Iranians who have been held hostage by a brutal and savage dictatorship. Uh with respect to what Dave Smith was saying about the proxies, I'll leave that up to the general.

[00:18:02]>> Okay. Uh Elica >> nonsense.

[00:18:05]>> So when there's these constant examples of where the US has failed in intervention, you have to wonder why is it that they keep repeating the worst case scenarios? Why don't they talk about the US um intervention in Iraq, sorry, in Kuwait to stop Iraq's intervention, right? Which actually led to stability in Kuwait. Why don't we talk about uh Bosnia? Why don't we talk about Kosovo? Why don't we talk about the times where NATO and the US have done tremendous work to bring stability with targeted strikes? Okay, the reason that they keep mentioning this is because they want to constantly frame this in the worst case scenario for the US so as to defend the terrorist regime, which makes you wonder why. Second of all, this this >> his claim that we don't want to, you know, intervene in Iran because it's going to be a failed state and it's killed it's going to kill hundreds of thousands of people. I'm sorry. You don't care now that it's a failed state.

[00:18:57]You don't care now how many people are being killed. You want to talk about Ira Iraq. You want to say hundreds of thousands of people were killed in Iraq.

[00:19:04]How many people did Saddam Hussein kill?

[00:19:07]180,000 Kurds alone. Chemical genocide against Kurds. the uh ethnic cleansing of of Turks and we of Shia Muslims. So So you want to say that if we should have just left Saddam Hussein and and he's expanding his war in um Kuwait, his war in Iran and you want to say that what the US did was so bad, fine, it was bad, but before it was worse and if it was left unchecked, how much worse would it be? So this isn't about what the facts are. This is about how you are looking at the facts. And this isn't No, no, we don't interrupt. This is an interrupt.

[00:19:42]>> I was just gonna ask a question. You interrupted me before plenty of times.

[00:19:45]>> Ask me my question. Ask it. You can ask me my question.

[00:19:47]>> You're not You're not a You're not my teacher, so don't like scold me.

[00:19:50]>> Stop. Stop.

[00:19:53]We're not looking at this through the lens of fact. We're looking at this through the lens of how can we look at this in the most negative way so we don't support attacks on the regime.

[00:20:01]Second of all, this constant thing about Israel is the one that wants this war.

[00:20:06]We have all conceded and acknowledged that Israel does for obvious reasons.

[00:20:10]You're talking about you take Israel and you you take the IRGC, you take this terrorist regime that has enshrined an escalological vision to eliminate Israel in its charter and has repeatedly acted on that vision. Any sane country in the world, whether it was US or Israel, would obviously want to protect itself. So you're talking about a a liberal democracy that seeks safety and protection of its own people. And you're talking about a terrorist state that wants to eliminate that state. And so to even look at this in any other lens is just to be out of touch with reality.

[00:20:43]You talk about Israel doing these strikes on Hezbollah when is the one that is throwing its rockets into Israel. You talk about it strikes on the Houthis. You talk, think about this. The regime created the I the regime created Hezbollah as a second IRGC to station it in the closest border to Israel for the sole purpose of eliminating Israel and creating a second Islamic Republic in Lebanon. Now you want to say that in response to that Israel should just bend over and do nothing. Of course Israel wants this war because it is >> come on how much more can Israel do this goddamn war because of Israel. Can I respond to this utter rubbish?

[00:21:24]garbage is really propaganda.

[00:21:26]>> It's a mind virus and you've lost your mind. Okay. So, just be >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anti-semitism.

[00:21:32]Blah blah blah blah blah. We've heard that garbage over and over to shield Israel from criticism. We're not going to take it anymore. You called the whole country anti-semites. You think Israel's called all of America anti-semites. 85% of us don't want this war. And then you come in AND GO, YOU DIRTY ANTI-SEMITE AMERICANS. YOU OWE US MORE WAR. YOU OWE US TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS. WE ARE BELOVED ISRAEL. WE WANT ENDLESS WAR.

[00:21:58]>> QUESTION FOR YOU. JAKE, one question for you. What percentage of Germans were anti-semites?

[00:22:05]>> Oh, so what the hell does that have to do with this? The real fascist are Israel. You want to ask me what percentage of Israel are fascist?

[00:22:14]Unfortunately, the percentage is over 50%.

[00:22:18]>> You know what THE POINT IS, CHEN? THE POINT IS that it is a mind virus. Can I actually answer any of this garbage that they're putting out?

[00:22:24]>> Can you stop interrupting her? You're very rude. You're very rude.

[00:22:27]>> STOP INTERRUPTING HER. SHE'S gone on for 10 minutes.

[00:22:30]>> How long do you think you >> Okay.

[00:22:34]>> Chank chang I'll give you I'll give you a brief a brief right of reply there and then I want to go to the general.

[00:22:42]>> So guys, this this is a total illusion.

[00:22:45]The country starting all the wars in the Middle East is Israel, not Iran. The ones that have the religious ideology of taking over the Middle East is Israel.

[00:22:54]They call it Greater Israel. It's a patch on their uniform. It's a map in their Knesset. They're trying and they their cabinet members say we're going for Greater Israel. Greater Israel's most of the Middle East. The reason why knocking out their nuke nuclear so-called nuclear program wasn't enough for these wararm mongers is because they want every country in the Middle East defenseless so Israel can attack and take more land. And have they actually attacked and taken more land? Yes, they currently have 53% of Gaza. They say they're never going to give back Golan Heights. They keep talking about how Israel should exist. Israel already exists, already has nukes and is super dangerous with those nukes. They already have Iron Dome. They already have the greatest military in the Middle East.

[00:23:34]It's the Palestinians who don't exist because the Israelis won't allow them.

[00:23:38]The Israelis are doing a fascist a greater Israel project and our press won't talk about it even though the Israelis talk about it nonstop. We've shown video after video on the young Turks of how they're going for greater Israel. And the idea that Iran is taking over their neighbors, they haven't taken over any neighbors. Israel keeps taking land while our press keeps lying to you and pretending that Israel is the victim when they are the aggressor. And they don't do it with their own money and they don't do it with their own troops.

[00:24:06]They force America to spend trillions of dollars and lose >> American soldiers for Israel. 85% of this country does not want it. When you hear this propaganda telling you, "No, Israel wants it." And if is if Israel doesn't get what it wants, we're going to call all of you anti-semmites. All you Americans are anti-Semites. Unless you give Israel $330 billion, spend $8 trillion on the global war on terror and we want another war and another war. And then THEY PRETEND IRAN WANTS ENDLESS WAR. Israel is making us pay for their endless war. Don't listen to the liars.

[00:24:37]Stand up for the American people, not the Israeli people. I'm looking at this propaganda now. She's talking about how the Iraq war was a great point and how we're going to be greeted as liberators.

[00:24:46]That's what they told us in Iraq. No, the Iranian people do also do not want to be bombed. That is an Israeli lie.

[00:24:52]>> I need to >> Okay, we're running out of time. I I just want you've actually reminded me and I want to come to Dave Smith quickly for this then go to the general. um that Tucker Carlson interviewed the US ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckerby, this week and Mike Huckabe said something that managed to get condemnation from pretty much every other country in the region because he said this.

[00:25:16]This particular area that we're talking about now, Israel, is u is a land that God gave through Abraham to a people that he chose. It was a people, a place, and a purpose. We We can look at it that way. Christian Zionism, I want to go back because that's where we started on this.

[00:25:36]>> I'm not going to let you off on this because you have said it three times that God gave this land >> to this people.

[00:25:43]>> What does that mean? Does Israel have the right to that land? Because you're appealing to Genesis. You're saying that's the original deed.

[00:25:54]It would be fine if they took it all.

[00:25:58]>> Take it all, Dave. Was the US ambassador to Israel.

[00:26:03]>> Oh, yeah. I'm so glad you uh you played that clip. I'm about to do a whole uh a whole show on on breaking down that interview. I think one of the things that's so I mean aside from the fact that it's just like the how insane and what a religious fundamentalist you have to be to believe that God gave Iraq to Netanyahu or something like that. But was really um wild about this as I'm sure the general can back up that it since at least the 1970s the official US position has been that we support 67 borders and that we ultimately want um a Palestinian state. The US is officially, not that we're going to do anything about any of that, but we're officially against the settlement expansions in the West Bank. And here you have the US ambassador to Israel. I mean, it sure seems like he's the Israeli ambassador if you ask me, but he his title is he's the US ambassador to Israel. just saying because of his religious beliefs that no, it he would be absolutely fine with Israel not just taking um the West Bank in Gaza and the Golden Heights as they have since 1967, but evidently Pierce taking huge swaths of Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and for anybody who does not believe that God promised Iraq to Netanyahu, that is just insanity. Then you do notice on this panel how a lot of people beat up on the Mullers for being religious extremists and like I got no beef with you on that. It certainly is true that they are. But as Jenk was pointing out, the level of um extreme religious fanaticism that drives policy, both US policy toward Israel and Israeli policy at the top of their um at the top of their government there really is something to behold. you we're not as secular and uh um as as one might believe. And I just want to say and then I'll I'll shut up for the rest of the panel, but uh I I do got to say, man, Pierce, as as I know you've seen all the time, you know, this thing where like if we if we start arguing that we shouldn't have war in Iran, then the response that we get is like, oh, you must secretly love the Ayatollah or something like that. The only reason you're doing this is because you want to protect that regime. This is like the lowest IQ, most bad faith form of political argumentation. And you know, people did say the same thing about people like you, Pierce, and evidently people like you, uh, General Clark, which I was unaware of, who opposed the war in Iraq.

[00:28:31]You were protecting Saddam Hussein or spreading Saddam talking points over the last couple years. Pierce, isn't it amazing? just on your show. I'm a I love Vladimir Putin and I love Hamas and I also love the Iran and I guess I love the Houthies, but actually I'm just like a Jewish libertarian from Brooklyn who doesn't want to see more uh people get killed and my country get bankrupted.

[00:28:55]That's really the truth of this. And for all of you guys, for all you guys, your response is always, "Oh, oh, excuse me.

[00:29:00]Excuse me. No interrupting. No interrupting little girl." Uh, and for all of you guys, for all of you, >> listen again, this is my >> You don't want my opinion, don't invite me on.

[00:29:11]>> Let let me let me come to the general general before I come to you for the final word because you deserve the final.

[00:29:16]>> You talked more than me, General.

[00:29:17]>> Very far. I mean, I mean, Dave makes a very good point. I I remember being called a Saddam apologist because I thought the illegal war in Iraq was an atrocity that should never have been waged. And I've similarly been called uh an anti-semite because I think that the Israeli government went way too far in Gaza. All of these things are preposterous and they're a deliberate attempt to stifle freedom of speech and genuine uh opinion. I think it's it's a great shame. I've known Chenk and Dave uh for quite a long time now. I've never heard a moment of anti-semitism from either of them. And to say that that is what motivates them as a hatred of Jewish people is is completely preposterous.

[00:29:56]Well, hang on. I' I've got to We run out of time. I just want to say that >> about About Cheng. That's very disingenuous.

[00:30:04]>> No, it's not. He's not anti.

[00:30:08]He has a big problem with He has a big problem with the Israeli government.

[00:30:11]Let's not get into it.

[00:30:12]>> Doing insults. Let General Clark talk.

[00:30:15]>> If somebody can look, okay, for another show, but Elica, if you want to go away and find me evidence of Chen Yuga saying anything which indicates the hatred of Jewish people, that's fine. If you wanna if you want to find my existence offends me.

[00:30:27]>> Well, he says he hates Jew.

[00:30:28]>> If you want to talk about an Israel, my existence offends you. And I'm the person who's a bigot. You're the bigot.

[00:30:36]General Clark.

[00:30:37]>> I said your existence is the evidence.

[00:30:39]You literally said that.

[00:30:40]>> I'm going to wrap things up. I'm going to wrap things up by coming to I'm coming to General Clark. So, please give give the general some respect. Uh, I can tell you that that the money markets, poly market says there's a 21% chance of a US strike on Iran by March the 1st, 57% chance by March the 31st, 73% chance by the end of the year, over $370 million has been spent in this market.

[00:31:05]So, the smart money going on an attack by the end of March. Um, would you agree with that, General? Um, let's talk about what this panel actually documented because it was recorded before the war and it reads now like a prophecy that every person who pushed for this conflict refused to hear every warning was issued. Every consequence was predicted. Every lie was named in advance and the war happened anyway.

[00:31:33]Start with the Iraq parallel because Chank made it the centerpiece of his argument and the documented record has since proven him correct in every detail. He said the same people who lied to get America into Iraq were lying again to get America into Iran. John Bolton um the neoconservatives, the weapons of mass destruction framework repackaged as the nuclear threat framework, the same playbook, the same wires, the same lies. In Iraq, they said WMDs. It was a Y. In Iran, they said imminent nuclear threat. Tulsi Gabbard's own written intelligence testimony said Iran was not developing nuclear weapons. Marco Rubio admitted on camera that the real reason for the preemptive strike was that Israel was going to attack anyway. The nuclear justification was the WMD argument for 2025. Different packaging, same emptiness. And Chenk named it before the first bomb dropped. He said, "Here come the same liars lying to us again on behalf of Israel." He was right. The 85% polling statistic is the one that should end every argument about democratic mandate for this war. Cheng cited it in this panel. 85% of Americans did not want a war with Iran. Not a slim majority. Not a contested split. 85%. He said, "If this panel were representative of the American people, it would be at least eight people saying no and two people saying yes." And yet, the panel had more pro-war voices than anti-war ones. Because the people platforming the debate were not reflecting the American public. They were reflecting the donor class, the lobby, the same networks that have shaped American Middle Eastern policy for decades. Regardless of what the American public actually wants, Trump ran on America first. 85% of Americans did not want this war and the war happened. That gap between what Americans wanted and what their government delivered is the clearest possible evidence that America first was never the actual operating principle.

[00:33:41]Something else was, and Chenk named it, the greater Israel argument is the one that made the pro-war panelists most angry, and it deserves to be examined with the full documentary record behind it. Cheng said, "The country starting all the wars in the Middle East is Israel, not Iran." He said, "Israel has a religious ideological vision of taking over the Middle East called Greater Israel." He said it is a patch on their uniform, a map in their Knesset. He said their cabinet members say we are going for greater Israel openly. That is documented. Finance Minister Bezel Mantric has publicly called for Israeli sovereignty over the West Bank. National Security Minister Idomar Benjir has made similar statements. The map chank reference depicting Israeli territory from the Nile to the Euphrates appears in various Israeli political contexts.

[00:34:33]The settlement expansion in the West Bank has continued at record pace throughout this conflict. Israel now controls 53% of Gaza. As Chen cited, they have annexed the Golden Heights.

[00:34:45]They have repeatedly stated they will now return it. The argument that Iran has territorial expansion ambitions while Israel does not is not supported by the documented actions of either government. Iran has not annexed any neighboring territory. Israel has the original creator correctly noted that the loudest voices demanding America go to war with Iran were not American. One Canadian one based in Britain demanding that Americans die and American money be spent on a war that serves Israeli territorial interests and calling anyone who points this out an anti-semite. The anti-semitism weaponization reached its most absurd moment in this panel and it needs to be named precisely. Elica called Chank's arguments a mind virus.

[00:35:30]She called him jihadi propaganda. She implied he was a useful idiot for the Iranian regime. Dave Smith, who is Jewish, said there was nothing remotely anti-semitic about what Chang said. He said calling it anti-semitism was the lowest IQ, most bad faith form of political argumentation available. And General Wesley Clark, a former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, a decorated military figure with no obvious pro-Iran bias, said he had known Chank and Dave for a long time and had never heard a moment of anti-semitism from either of them. And that calling their positions a result of hatred of Jewish people was completely preposterous. That is a former NATO Supreme Commander saying on camera that the anti-semitism accusation being deployed against Chenk Reager is false and preposterous. And Elica's response was to say it was disingenuous.

[00:36:21]Because when a Jewish man and a former Supreme NATO commander both say the anti-semitism accusation is baseless, the only remaining move is to question their credibility. That is how the weaponization works. It is not about evidence of actual anti-semitism. It is about maintaining a rhetorical atmosphere in which the accusation functions as a conversation ender regardless of whether it is true. Dave Smith exposed it perfectly. I am a Jewish libertarian from Brooklyn who does not want to see more people killed and my country bankrupted. And the response is to call him a Hamas lover, an Iran lover, a Houthy lover, and presumably an anti-semite because there is no other move left when the facts are against you. The rescue mission framing is the one that requires the most direct confrontation because it has been used consistently throughout this conflict and the documented reality contradicts it at every point. Alika called the war a rescue operation, not a war. A rescue of 90 million Iranians held hostage by a brutal dictatorship. Let's put the documented reality next to that framing the Nobel Peace Prizewinning dissident Nargas Muhammadi imprisoned inside Iran by the regime came out against the strikes. Prominent Iranian opposition figures said, "This is not the way we want freedom. not on the back of American and Israeli bombs. Residential aomin buildings were blown up. Car bombs went off in civilian areas. The Iranian people whose liberation the war claimed to serve were being killed by the liberation. And even the Iranian diaspora, the community claimed to speak for is not monolithic on this. Polls of Iranian-Americans showed significant opposition to military intervention even among those who oppose the Iranian government. The rescue mission framing requires that you believe the Iranian people unanimously wanted American bombs falling on their country. The documented positions of Iranian dissident, opposition figures, and Nobel prize winners say otherwise. The Mike Huckabe clip that Piers played is the detail that ties the entire ideological framework of this war together in one exchange. The US ambassador to Israel said, "God gave this land to the people he chose. It would be fine if they took it all. The US ambassador to Israel appointed by Trump saying it would be fine if Israel took all the land, all of it, greater Israel, from the river to the sea in the other direction. And Dave Smith correctly identified what this means for the stated American foreign policy position that has been officially maintained since the 1970s. The official US position has been support for 1,967 borders, opposition to settlement expansion, support for a Palestinian state. None of those positions are compatible with the US ambassador to Israel saying it would be fine if Israel took all the land. The Christian Zionist esquetology driving both US and Israeli policy. The belief that the expansion of Israel toward its biblical borders fulfills divine prophecy is a religious fundamentalism that is driving decisions affecting hundreds of millions of people. Um, and the panelists who called the Iranian government religious extremist said nothing about the US ambassador, openly stating that God's real estate deed supersedes international law because it is a different kind of religious extremism.

[00:39:53]the kind that benefits the side they are on. The original creator's observation about who was demanding the war is the one that deserves to stand as the closing argument. The loudest voices on that panel demanding America go to war with Iran were not American. A Canadian, a Britishbased woman telling Americans to spend their money, risk their children's lives, and destabilize a region that will send economic shock waves back to American families. While the Americans on the panel, Chenk, Dave Smith, General Clark said no. 85% of the American public said no. Trump said no new wars and then launched one anyway.

[00:40:33]The people who live with the consequences of this war are not the ones who were loudest about starting it.

[00:40:39]The people paying $440 at the gas pump are not the ones who flew to Washington to lobby for the strikes. The families getting the knock at the door about their soldier are not the ones who called anyone who opposed the war. a jihadi propagandist. This is the fundamental democratic failure at the heart of this conflict. A war that 85% of the public opposed, launched without congressional authorization, pushed by foreign governments and their American lobbyists, paid for by American taxpayers, and defended on television by people who do not live in America and will not bear its costs. Chenko Eager said it before the war started. Dave Smith said it before the war started.

[00:41:20]General Clark implied it before the war started. And the war happened anyway because the 85% do not have a lobby. Um, the lobby does. This channel exists for the 85%.

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