Colorado Wants To Ban Male Circumcision… Seriously?

[00:00:12]Hey, hey, hey.

[00:00:33]I'm Jeff V. He's Bill Thorp Bits Thursday 710 Kus in Denver >> AM1460 FM 101.1 the answer Colorado Springs >> along the front range. This is the Jeff and Bill show. Oh, we hear both sides.

[00:00:57]Now, Billy, I only know this because it was in my Bible app this morning.

[00:01:00]>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

[00:01:01]>> It's the start of World Cup.

[00:01:03]>> Yes, it is. Yeah.

[00:01:04]>> Even my Bible app was >> Oh, yeah.

[00:01:06]>> Otherwise, I would have been like, >> "Oh, yeah.

[00:01:09]>> The basketball game last night. I don't know."

[00:01:11]>> Most of America doesn't know. And that's been kind of the uh the um coverage that I have seen. I was talking with you beforehand that there's a guy out of England that uh talks about how it's just like wallto-wall uh in Mexico. even in fact he saw in front of a church the little baby Jesus had a Mexico jersey on. So it's just everywhere and it was a compare and contrast between what's going on here in the US. Now Mexico kicks it off with South Africa at 1:00 today. US does not play until 700 p.m.

[00:01:38]our time tomorrow night. We face off against Paraguay and Canada plays earlier in the day. I think South Korea plays this afternoon which is a little bit weird that you know there's always a secondary game and they play I think Chetchia. I think that's it. But South Korea is the second game today. But I'm excited. It's going to kick off. Then we've got a full month or so of just chaos. And this this is the biggest uh most watched sports tournament on the entire planet. It has a little bit of a blend of the NCAA, but not so much of the March Madness feel where there's so many games packed in. But this next uh week or so, yeah, it's going to be a string of game game. But they normally keep them apart from each other a little bit. So if you want to view, this will be fun. Yeah. Or you could be the guy with the phone with the game on just kind of uh >> Oh yeah, I'll have it in the background.

[00:02:23]Yeah, I'm I'm trying to clear my schedule so that I can watch at least half of the game today. Um don't know if that will work out, but I will have it on regardless. I'll have the audio on just so I can listen to it. Yeah, and I'll keep I'll keep track of it. Some of these games are less exciting than others. uh especially this opening weekend. So, it's not like you got to go watch all the games, but yeah, there are going to be some really really fun ones that that are located inside here. So, this is going to fun. This will be fun to watch. I'll have to see.

[00:02:50]>> I'll watch for America. America go win whatever America's doing.

[00:02:55]>> We We got to work for We got to look for second place in the group. And here's the thing that could break properly, which could be a lot of fun, is if the US gets second in their group, >> it's feasible Iran could get second in their group and we [laughter] could face off. It is it's absolutely feasible that in the next we face Iran. Now, those that are longtime soccer fans, remember this happened earlier.

[00:03:21]>> This happened, I believe, was it is it 90 or 94? No, 90. I think it's in 90. Uh we face off against Iran. We are more powerful. They are not. And they beat us.

[00:03:34]>> Interesting.

[00:03:34]>> Yeah. And they beat us. So there would be a little bit of revenge for all the soccer fans of America, let alone just American fans against Iran. Never has there ever been a country that has competed in the World Cup in a host nation in which they are at war with at the same time. Never happened before.

[00:03:52]And this is happening. But the Iran team was not allowed to train in the US.

[00:03:56]There's no like US versus Soviet hockey style battles over all those years.

[00:04:02]>> Um during >> Do the Russians have a soccer team?

[00:04:04]>> Oh yeah, they have a Yeah, they have a very very very well-developed uh soccer team.

[00:04:08]>> Allowed to play because they got kept out of the Olympics.

[00:04:10]>> Oh yeah, they are allowed to play. But remember, it's it's the idea that it's the first time that a nation that's at war with the host nation competes in the World Cup. So it has to be with the host nation. It's not two nations that are at war. It's the idea that >> there are Iranian soccer players here.

[00:04:27]>> Yes, there are. Well, not really. Um, here's the thing is yes, there are Iranian soccer players. They're just not here. Uh, Trump administration did not allow them clearance in order to practice and play um internally. Um, they have games that are scheduled in LA, but they're training I believe is it I think it's in Tijana or somewhere.

[00:04:43]They're just across the border. So, they're over in Mexico um training. They weren't allowed to train inside of the US. Yeah. So, they're training in Mexico and then they'll move into I think I think it's Tijana is where they are and they play in LA.

[00:04:54]>> DJ, >> there's a lot of tequila.

[00:04:57]>> Exactly.

[00:04:58]>> We've got so much to talk about today.

[00:05:00]There's an effort lawsuit now seeking to ban male circumcision in Colorado.

[00:05:08]>> Yeah, we'll get to that.

[00:05:09]>> That was not on my bingo card. Just I'm saying >> you run into these people outside, these anti- circumcision people.

[00:05:15]>> Yeah, only a handful of times cuz it's kind of weird and I've seen [laughter] them speak and things the underwear with the blood on it.

[00:05:22][laughter] >> Yeah, it's it's weird.

[00:05:24]>> So, that may be coming to Colorado. Uh this poll on morality differences between the parties is fascinating. It is >> new pull out from Gallup on everything from abortion to changing one's gender to gay and lesbian relations, doctor assisted suicide, sex between teenagers, sex between unmarried men and women, pornography, in fact, birth control, gambling, divorce, all this listed out according to Gallup, where do the parties fall on this? We'll get into that in the 7:00 hour. Dude, this was so big in the early 2000s in the little political world I was in >> in DC. these notions of microloans as they relate to like Cambodia and India and Thailand and you could give like a little widow somewhere building a stool little microloan for 50 bucks. Yeah.

[00:06:17]Well, the Wall Street Journal with a big piece on the collapse of this effort, they were they essentially acted like the college students that get school loans. Yeah.

[00:06:33]>> They didn't necessarily use them all the time in the best ways. They bought TVs with them. They ended up getting into loan problems. And then nonprofit loans ended up selling bundling and selling those loans to banks. Then banks turned around and started to hold them a lot more accountable >> for these loans. So it ends up becoming a big problem has resulted in a number of suicides >> in these far away lands. But Wall Street Journal big piece about the collapse of these microloans. We'll get to that. And then Tom Haynes first choice windows and siding. Did you get hammered by hail the other day? Well, he is going to be live in studio, sponsor of the show, talking about things you can do to get uh work done on your roof, on your windows, on your siding, doors, all of that in the 9:00 hour. Now, it's time for the news.

[00:07:33]>> Blake Olsen, news and comment.

[00:07:37]Hey, good Thursday morning. 53 and sunny in Denver, 51 in the Springs. Expecting highs in the low 80s today. News sponsored by Pastor Camp Heating and Air Conditioning. For a new home heating and cooling system, contact your Lennox dealer, Pastor Camp Heating and Air Conditioning atamp.com.

[00:07:58]Conditions apply. See dealer for details. Our top story, the US is launching another round of strikes on Iran. Several attacks were reported across a number of Iranian cities into Thursday morning. Iran has fired back with attacks on Bahrain, Kuwait, and Jordan. President Trump, >> well, we're going to be attacking them and attacking them very hard.

[00:08:24]>> Resuming bombing.

[00:08:25]>> Yeah. Well, we are based on a helicopter. I guess we have the right to do that. you know, they shot down a very uh very incredible actually an incredible machine and uh at first they said they didn't do it, then they admitted they did it. So to be >> all right, so it goes [clears throat] on and on. Endless war in the Middle East.

[00:08:45]Thomas Massie posting this morning, quote, "Hopefully TPUSA is still opposed to warrantless spying. A vote to extend the unconstitutional FISA 702 program without warrants will likely happen today in the House. I will vote no."

[00:09:03]That's Massie saying that in the post.

[00:09:06]In 2024, Charlie Kirk interviewed Massie at TPUSA headquarters and said that Mike Johnson defended shredding the Fourth Amendment, passing FISA warrantless surveillance. What happened? What would cause somebody to flip from fighting hard in a committee to all of a sudden having the deciding vote as speaker? Was he an impostor all along?

[00:09:31]I'm u coming to that conclusion. I don't think his family's locked up in the basement somewhere, you know, being tortured. Those those claims are ridiculous. I I don't even believe that he went in a skiff and learned something that we don't know because I spent three and a half hours in the skiff with Mike Johnson. Remember, I'm on the judiciary committee and I got the same briefing he got from CIA, NSA, DoD, FBI, DNI, FISA judge. They were all in that skiff. It was actually a four-hour meeting. After three and a half hours, I said, "This is enough. This is a waste of time. You haven't given us one example of where spying on Americans without a warrant was able to help you avert terrorism.

[00:10:17]>> We'll see what happens today." NBA Finals, the Knicks were down 29 points against the Spurs in game four last night. Then with 5.7 seconds to play, down by one point >> for Jaylen Brunson. Allow him to operate at the top 101.

[00:10:35]>> Brunson gets it. Fires up a three. Shot.

[00:10:38]No good. The tip. It's gone. It's [screaming] gone. It's gone. With 1.2 remaining. Knicks take the lead.

[00:10:45]>> Wow.

[00:10:46]>> That was crazy.

[00:10:48]>> The Knicks. Yeah. With the greatest comeback in NBA Finals history. 106 105 the final and they lead the series uh no I'm sorry the series is tied at two pe two a piece but incredible >> hopefully you guys enjoyed that.

[00:11:06]>> Yeah, that was No, it's it's three to one, isn't it? Yeah.

[00:11:09]>> Uh it's three.

[00:11:10]>> Yeah, three two Nicks in two nicks in San Antonio. Sorry. Three. San Antonio won last time and then there's one.

[00:11:15]Yeah, it's their three to one.

[00:11:16]>> Think of Exactly. And so now they got to go back to San Antonio and there's there's kind of some consternation inside of Nick's world because do they want to clinch on the opponent's court or they want to just uh you know lose their mind inside of New York. So there's this real kind of up and down um yeah inside of Knicks fandom right now which is kind of crazy but they were up 29 points and you still lose. Wow.

[00:11:41]What's that what's that postgame team talk look like? What do you do? Oh man >> that's brutal. Well, I mean, they are NBA players, so they see this. They see this a lot.

[00:11:52]>> And the rule in the NBA is everybody goes on a run. There is always that rule that everyone will go on a run, but how do you stop it?

[00:11:59]>> But 29 points, man. I mean, it was it was crazy at our house. I'll talk about it next Saturday.

[00:12:05]>> Oh, I can't wait. I can't wait, my friend. Thanks. I can't wait to hear it.

[00:12:08]>> Hated hearing this news, though. On Wednesday, Altitude Sports letting go of longtime sports casters Chris Marlo and Scotty Hastings on the Nuggets TV broadcast. Huge mistake in my opinion.

[00:12:21]Uh they're a great team. 22 years together. Scotty 33 years doing Nugs and NBA and the fans love them. Way to ruin a great thing out.

[00:12:33]>> Yeah. uh called in the office the other day and yesterday and uh was informed of their decision. And listen, here's what I've learned as I've grown older. The the young Scott AC's probably would have thrown a fit, been upset, cussed people out, got on the radio day and said, "You mfers."

[00:12:50]Um but it doesn't do anybody good. Um it's not helpful. I I got >> Yeah, man. What a joke. Scott will do the radio with cause and uh Chris Dempsey also let go just these are terrible moves terrible.

[00:13:09]>> Sometimes you don't know how good you have it until so I'm going to make a prediction right now in in in one year Scott will be back on the TV doing color. Unfortunately for Chris I don't think that's going to happen. Chris does a great job. Both these guys are are so good at what they do. They make it look easy. I loved working with them. They were great to work with both of them.

[00:13:35]And they were likable. They've built a reputation and, you know, a relationship with the viewers and the listeners. It's just it's just bad. It's bad for the fans in my opinion.

[00:13:47]>> The thing I think it's bad for the fans.

[00:13:49]I liked their uh personalities, how they blended on the broadcast. Yeah, >> the difficulty and I don't know who the broadcast team has in mind, >> but we know, okay, playbyplay, you understand, you've done the playbyplay, that's difficult to nail down because you have to have someone that has the skill and the gift of gab and to be descriptive, but finding someone that can do color is much more difficult because you have to find someone that has a personality and can analyze plus can communicate it on a like fifth grade level. and Hastings has personality to spare and he has the analyst side of him as well. That's the tough thing. And if you think about >> um some of the pairings we've had and they tried out with Logan when he was looking for a new color person, some had good analyst skills, others didn't have the personality. Now, uh, Rick Lewis, great dude, I don't think has some of the analytical skills that some of the former players had, but he has the personality and can interact with Dave and they went with the personality. And that's how difficult it is to find someone to fill those shoes. So, this is Yeah, sometimes it feels like the grass is greener. I'm skeptical they're going to find someone that has the skill of that team.

[00:15:07]>> And this is what drives me nuts. Okay, you just you hit it on the head.

[00:15:11]everything, personality, uh, you know, rare talent, whatever. But he banged in the paint in the NBA. Yes.

[00:15:20]>> Okay. He took the elbows. He threw the elbows. This is what I posted on X.

[00:15:26]Okay. He understands what it's like to go up against sevenfooters in the NBA and the greatest athletes in the world.

[00:15:35]Yes, he came off the bench and he was the 11th 12th man, but Scott was an outstanding basketball player in Kansas in high school and then went to Arkansas and played at the highest level, not only with the Nuggets, but the Pistons and the Hawks and played with Dominique Wilkins, knows everybody in the game, everybody. And everybody in the arena.

[00:16:00]Stupid move. Yeah. The other part is he played the back.

[00:16:03]>> You can find a former player, but you can't find a personality like that that can and can can communicate it at that level that you're talking about.

[00:16:10]>> Oh yeah. He he can't. And the other part is he's seen the evolution of the game.

[00:16:13]He played when the rule was no blood, no foul.

[00:16:16]>> Yeah.

[00:16:16]>> So it's completely different. And now he and now you have a different perspective and he has seen several generations of players now on the court. Yeah. That kind of knowledge. The part that I keep looking at is how do you replace that personality? How do you replace that personality? And 23 years of it.

[00:16:32]>> Yeah. People that bounce around and watch different NFL games, you'll hear the difference in a different color guy.

[00:16:38]The the playby-play guy can be somewhat interchangeable. You recognize guys you like and dislike more based on how their rhythm is. But the color guy, that's the standout. That's the person that you can tell the difference in whether or not you got the A broadcast team, the B broadcast team, the C broadcast team.

[00:16:53]They got the guys that are just trying out for next season. Yeah. And look, uh, Charles Barkley ain't walking through those doors anytime soon, as far as I know. And even then, he wouldn't be better than Hastings. Hastings has the history of the night. It's ridiculous.

[00:17:09]So stupid. He'll be back on TV in a year. That's my prediction. I hope so, too. Stanley Cup final game last night, game five. Golden Knights at the Hurricanes uh tonight, game at six, tied at two. Uh Rockies beat the Cubs three to2 last night, two straight for the Rockies. Getaway day today at 110 at the ballpark. 51 in the Springs, 53 in Denver. And that's the latest. I'm Blake Olsen. More of the Jeff and Bill show ahead on News Talks 710 KN in Denver.

[00:17:41]And now on AM1460 and FM 101.1, the answer in the springs. This is where you hear both sides. We are at the Jeff and Bill show. Lower humidity air is working its way into the Front Range and High Plains region over the next few days.

[00:17:58]So, we're really not going to have much in the way to talk about. We're going to have sunny skies, comfortably warm temperatures today. 70s near 80°, although it is going to get a little bit warmer Friday, but temperatures go back down over the weekend as some cool air comes in out of the northern Rockies. In fact, as we get into the day on Sunday, temperatures along the I25 corridor from Denver to Colorado Springs may not even get to 70°. That's when we'll probably have our next best chance of showers and thunderstorms. But for today, for tomorrow, and most of Saturday, it's going to be mostly dry. Temperatures will be a bit on the cool side through Monday. Then we'll start to work their way back up again by Tuesday and Wednesday of next week with the cooler, drier air coming in. Cooler nights as well for the next few nights. I'm day weather meteorologist D Hello.

[00:19:31]Hello. Noodle.

[00:20:02]710 Kane US in Denver.

[00:20:04]>> AM1460 and FM101.1. The answer Colorado Springs >> all along the front range. This is the Jeff and Bill show. We hear both sides.

[00:20:11]Two channel mic in Westminster. Bill, are you the color guy in the Jeff and Bill show or you need to go outside into the sun and get some more color.

[00:20:18][laughter] >> That is well done. That is well done.

[00:20:21]>> Uh did you get your ballot yet, Billy?

[00:20:23]>> Um no. Have not seen it yet.

[00:20:25]>> Oh yeah. Mine came last night. Voted last night. Dropping off today. get that turned in right away. It helps the candidates out there not have to chase you down. So, if you know who you're voting for, saves them the money, the time, the resources to go, "Hey, hey, Billy, hey, hey, hey, Billy, turn in that ballot."

[00:20:45]>> Yeah. So, if you already know that you're going to do it and you haven't done it yet, um, what happens is they spend that extra time making the phone call to you when they could actually be calling some sort of a persuadable voter. So, uh, make the decision. Yeah, make the decision. But if you want your party to win, um, spend the time to fill out the ballot so they don't have to burn the energy or time to have you on that list.

[00:21:04]>> Get that filled out. Turn it in. It's pretty pretty thin ballot compared to what you're going to have in November.

[00:21:13]>> Yeah, it is. Yeah. [laughter] >> You have all these ballot initiatives that you're going to have to answer for.

[00:21:18]>> It's just picking between people.

[00:21:20]>> And I got both parties, so I'm kind of excited. I always open that up to just to see. Just to see. decided which primary you're going to vote in because you can only do one.

[00:21:27]>> Yeah, I can only do one. And often times, I have to admit, often times the primary I don't vote in either. Often times I just toss the primary ballots, but I look to see who's running because I always forget and I want to see, you know, okay, it's the idea of just like with the World Cup, breaking down the bracket, the US could face Iran if we get out of the groups in the in the out of the group stage. So, I kind of look at the group stage. This is the group stage. What happens when we get into the knockout stage next time around? So, this is kind of interesting. I don't know. Um, but if someone would like to bribe me to vote for a particular candidate they either like or hate, I'm just saying I'm open. I'm not going to take cash, but anything else. You know, I can be persuaded through um libations and food. I'm a chubby guy. I'm just saying. You know, >> he's the color man. All right. Uh, coming up next hour, we are going to be giving away two passes to the Rocky Mount Voice Freedom Festival. So, if the price point has been a bit challenging for you, don't worry. We've got you covered. Next hour, we're going to be giving away two passes to the Rocky Mountain Voice Freedom Festival. They announced Tina Peters yesterday. They've got Chris Wright, Laura Logan, Greg Gutfeld, Nick Shirley, Mike Davis, Pastor Lorenzo Sewell, he's the one that did the prayer that went viral during the inauguration. Aaron Lee, great local political allstars will be there. The congressional delegation, Gabe Evans, Lauren Boowbert, Jeff Crank will all be there as well. This is going to be an incredible party. Friday night, June 26 is the back the blue batch. So if you want to support law enforcement, you're tired of these soft on crime policies, you're tired of cops getting a bad rap by these progressive lawmakers, you want to come out and honor and support them, that's Friday night. Saturday will be the Majesty Mountain Majesty Gala, plus a live rodeo and a drone show. It's literally like the biggest conservative party of the year. June 26, 27th, Rocky Mountain Voice Freedom Festival. You can get your tickets at rmvfreedomfest.com.

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[00:23:45]And next hour, we'll give away passes for those, so you don't want to miss it. All right. Coming up, lawsuit seeking to expand Colorado's ban on female genital mutilation to also prohibit male circumcision.

[00:24:02]Yes, that's what Colorado is prioritizing now. They want to ban that.

[00:24:06]But first, let's go to the phone lines.

[00:24:08]Barney in Denver. Good morning, Barney.

[00:24:10]You're on with Jeff and Bill.

[00:24:11]>> Yeah, good morning.

[00:24:12]>> Hey, Jeff and Bill. So, Bill, you just gave me an idea. Now, if you look, I know you got I know you have a way of going out there and seeing who I've donated to >> um as far as campaigns go. Am I correct on that? That's open record. So, >> if you check me out, I've donated to more Democrats because of my commie daughter. She's a >> well, I guess she's a commie. I used to call her my lefty, but she's a full-fledged commie. But I've gotten to meet some of the people that she's worked for and helped and supported, and they're very good humans. So, I'm gonna say to you, Billy, I need someone to cover my Victor Marx vote. I went ahead and filled out the ballot for the Democrats. I like Jesse Danielson a lot.

[00:24:54]I like uh I'm gonna I voted for Phil because I figured there's no sense in giving Bennett an easy ride. Um, and who's the other one? Jesse. Oh, the girl that running for attorney general >> Indian. What's her name? He No, no, no, no. God, no. He strol head >> worried there, man.

[00:25:13]>> She's Indian, I think.

[00:25:14]>> Yeah, >> she's like uh what's her name?

[00:25:18]God dang it. I can't see her name.

[00:25:19]>> I don't know. Yeah, >> she real respectable. So, anyway, do me a favor.

[00:25:24]>> Yeah.

[00:25:24]>> Consider either join me with my lefty daughter and vote the Democrat. Vote Jesse Danielson. I'm not telling you how to vote.

[00:25:33]>> I'm just asking you as a person.

[00:25:34]>> I understand. Understand? Yeah.

[00:25:35]>> Jesse Danielson, good person.

[00:25:38]>> And uh let's go let's go vote for Uncle Phil. Why not? You know what? You say what you want about both those guys.

[00:25:44]Yeah.

[00:25:44]>> Bennett and they're both decent people.

[00:25:47]I actually met uh Bennett in the when he was running for president in the gay pride parade.

[00:25:53]>> Oh wow.

[00:25:53]>> Shouldn't say this, but I ran up to him and I kind of gave him a bear hug and there was secret service all around. My daughter was walking with somebody from another campaign and she says, "Who in the hell is that?" And my daughter said, "That's my dad."

[00:26:08]>> [laughter] >> So, yeah, they're both really decent people. I'm just saying. Yeah, I met Bennett in the gay pride parade. What does that say about me? Anyway, >> Barney, you've your your status in my book has has jumped up a couple more rungs. You you have gained some status and I will I will consider only because and here's the thing, the idea that you would go up just the the public spectacle of giving Michael Bennett a bear hug during the gay pride parade from Barney, that that to me, that that's next level, my friend. That is fantastic. And the fact that your >> true story, buddy.

[00:26:39]>> And that your daughter had to explain to a friend what you were doing. That's what my kids have to do all the time.

[00:26:45]Yeah, >> it was awesome. It was awesome. But by the way, the picture of you >> and Jeff with Patty Calhoun, you look like a little kid in a candy store. That must have been major.

[00:26:57]>> What have to say about Patty? I don't agree with her, but I'll bet she's a bad She's like a hard hard like doesn't mess around with the silly stuff that a lot of Democrats I'm guessing. Yeah.

[00:27:10]>> She's a very hardcore like nononsense.

[00:27:13]Yep. Old school.

[00:27:14]>> Oh yeah. She's she's got her eyes open.

[00:27:16]>> Oh yeah. Barney. When she walks us through when she walks us through 16th Street and she's like, "Oh yeah, this pretty storefront right here. It's a fake store. Mayor's covering up so it doesn't look like the storefronts are that open." She will point out the warts and she will talk about what is good.

[00:27:30]The thing is I grew up and came up reading uh Westward and going from, you know, back to front and then to sit down and when I first started working with Peter Boils, we at least became friendly with Patty Calhoun and could talk to her and I thought that was amazing. Then to go out and spend an evening with Patty and Jeff and just wander through downtown, hear the stories that it was it was I was a kid in a candy store. It was something I had never imagined being able to do.

[00:27:57]>> You can see it in the picture, buddy.

[00:27:59]You can see I had so much fun. It was great.

[00:28:03]>> Consider my uh my olive branch out to you, buddy.

[00:28:06]>> I appreciate that. I will take that under consideration.

[00:28:08]>> Yeah, they're good people. They really are.

[00:28:10]>> If you were Now, if you were going to advise me to vote in the Republican side of the ledger, if I wanted to, you know, be an agent of chaos, just sort of like you are, making sure it's not easy for Bennett to get through. Yeah. Who would you recommend I vote for on the Republican side of the ledger if that's the one I decide to open?

[00:28:28]>> Victor Marks, buddy all the way.

[00:28:32]>> All right, I will take it under advisory.

[00:28:35]>> All right. Hey, it's just a primary. We can have a little fun in the primary.

[00:28:39]>> Absolutely, my friend. Again, I'm the dude that vote that that would vote. If I lived in London, I would be voting for Captain Binface every London mayor election because I like that idea.

[00:28:47]>> Thanks, Barney. Have a great day, man.

[00:28:48]If we all got together, if we all got together, I guarantee you, Billy, I'd get along. Even though me and Jeff >> are probably Jeff, I'm not trying to insult you by saying we're a lot alike, but >> me and Billy would have a blast, man.

[00:29:01]You You'd leave an embarrassment. I >> We We would We may not >> Barney, we would not agree on politics, but we would make a spectacle and we would go viral and it would be a blast.

[00:29:10]>> We just need to grow our little party.

[00:29:12]So, now we got we got Patty. We'll grab Barney. We'll all just meet up Friday nights.

[00:29:19]>> Patty would punch me in the freaking head by the end of the night. [laughter] Guarantee it.

[00:29:24]>> And the thing is I would say, "Wait, wait, wait, wait till I get my phone.

[00:29:27]Okay, now I'm recording. Now hit him."

[00:29:29]That's what I would have to do. Exactly.

[00:29:30][laughter] >> Yeah. Thanks, Barney. Have a great one, man. Take care.

[00:29:33]>> That is so fun. All right, >> I'm going to take that under advisement.

[00:29:37]I like the idea of being that agent of chaos.

[00:29:39]>> Voting in the Democrat primary.

[00:29:40]>> I love it.

[00:29:41]>> Oh, you're so much fun. All right.

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[00:35:05]710 K US in [music] Denver >> AM460 FM101 the answer call >> along the front range. This is the Jeff and Bill show. We hear both sides. Um one of those headlines from the Denver Post that just kind of stops you. Wait, what? Lawsuit seeks to expand Colorado's ban on female genital mutilation to also prohibit male circumcision. Two men who say they were injured, sorry about that, by the procedure as infants want Colorado's law forbidding female genital mutilation to also prohibit male circumcision.

[00:35:42]Tristan Huff of Fort Collins and Adam Schwarz of Denver filed a lawsuit in Denver District Court on Tuesday arguing that banning female genital mutilation by allowing but allowing circumcision amounts to sex discrimination.

[00:35:59]They have asked a judge to issue an injunction requiring the state to also prohibit the circumcision of male children.

[00:36:09]So they they want to do that via injunction, which is a little odd. Since 1999, Colorado has defined removing the external genitalia uh from female children as misdemeanor child abuse. And it is right. These are very different procedures. That's kind of the thing. Just because they fall under the same kind of banner of a name doesn't mean that they have the same medical benefits or the same actual type of activities. Very different. But anyways, doing that to a woman is child abuse and it should be. The law exempts procedures performed for medical reasons. The American Academy of Pediatrics Pediatrics hasn't taken a definitive stance on male circumcision, saying parents should weigh risks, benefits, and other factors such as religious teachings. Circumcised boys have a lower risk of urinary tract infections in infancy and of acquiring HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases. As adults, risks include possible bleeding, infection, and scarring. The Academy opposes female genital mutilation because of lack of medical benefits and risks of increased urinary infections and childbirth complications. Never quite understand why they did that to women. I don't it's like a weird practice in some parts of the world, but >> I I have a theory behind it, but I'm not certain >> that it holds true. Um, if I had to just if I had to guess as far as the theory behind it, it's to make sure that um, in some ways women do not un um, not enjoy the act of sex that it's more performative. If I had to guess that that would be it. But and that's that's I mean it's really cruel.

[00:38:04]It's absolutely cruel.

[00:38:05]>> You wanted to do that.

[00:38:06]>> Well, we want to take away the enjoyment. If you want to if you want to control the women, that's some manner in which that if you want to treat them more as objects or property or cattle, that's part of the way to do it. That's that's my opinion as far as where that came from. I'm not certain as the justifications or why they do it now, but if I'm just looking at it uh sociologically, that seems to be the that would be the reason and why it would crop up in the first place in my opinion.

[00:38:38]All right. The plaintiff said they experienced pain, scarring, and lower sexual sensitivity, which they attribute to circumcision.

[00:38:47]I look, I I've been harmed by the practice, like it didn't work out right, and you you're harmed. Yeah, you should have every right to be able to seek medical malpractice. But to ban all men in Colorado from being able to have that done, that's weird. Uh to go that far, to seek an injunction to ban the practice entirely.

[00:39:16]A 2020 review of available studies found mixed results with some showing better sexual functioning circumcised men and some showing it's worse.

[00:39:26]The author speculated that this could reflect differences in how men perceived themselves and how their communities viewed circumcision.

[00:39:35]It this seems to me to be a leap. If you want to ban the practice, well, we have a process to do that. You can go out there and collect signatures and the people of Colorado could vote on it. You could go the legislative route and work a bill through. I mean, my god, they passed 500 bills last cycle. It's not that it's clearly not that hard to pass a bill down at the state capital. So, if there's an appetite for it, if society understands that this is a terrible practice worth banning, well, then seems rather easy to do so. but to be two dudes going into a courtroom and then asking a judge to bring about an injunction that would affect a lot of dudes in Colorado.

[00:40:25]That seems like a bridge too far. Your thoughts, sir?

[00:40:27]>> Well, and this is uh why y'all tune in to the Jeff and Bill show. Um I don't believe in this argument, but I can make the argument. And that's the difficulty that Jeff has to deal with. on the daily um that um some of the training I have and some of the way that I'm wired is I look for that idea of can I make that argument on the side I don't necessarily agree with and I also use that a lot of time to try to validate my own positions and to kind of poke holes in them and to look at how I'm thinking. Now, I don't believe in this argument, but I can see how you can make the argument um with the transgender bill, we're talking about surgery and such. If you make the argument that in circumcision, the parents and the doctor are making a decision absent the choice or wishes of the child. and the child may not be of maturity to make that kind of decision that alters their body, which is the justification inside of the transgender bill. I think you can make that argument. I understand that the idea of transgender surgery and circumcision is at a core different. But if the idea is that the kid may not know, the kid may want to change back. The kid doesn't really have the ability to understand the concept and what's going on, it does in some ways hold true and we have at least two examples here in front of us of people that will say, "I wasn't consulted. This is not the choice I would have made for myself." And you can always make that choice just like you do with the transgender argument that once you are the age of maturity, you can make that choice yourself. So if you're over 18, you can go get the snippy snippy. Uh that's that would be the argument. It's not the one that I am saying I believe. Yeah. But it's the one that I am trained in order to make. And I think it's interesting in the conversation to think that if we're mad at the transgender bill because the doctors and the parents are making a decision for a minor who may not be fully informed, one of the least informed minors in this entire conversation would be a newborn. I'm going to go talk to the phones for a second. To me, that level of argument seems to be making [laughter] the same thing as like uh because the it almost ignores the degrees of severity, right?

[00:42:54]So, it's like saying, well, is you the idea that you're going to have major open heart surgery is the same as having your fingernails cut because they both involve some form of procedure. Um, in in this case, the idea of having your foreskin removed is on the same level as, you know, a masectomy or having your entire working boy private part removed because we think you're a girl. Um, they're not the same because it ignores the degrees of severity. one um is far less invasive and lifechanging than the other. So that's why I would I would make the the argument that that position is not valid. Let's go to the phone lines and Gina want to talk about this case?

[00:43:52]>> Yes, she does.

[00:43:52]>> All right, Gina Aurora. Good morning, Gina. You're on with Jeff and Bill.

[00:43:55]>> Morning.

[00:43:57]>> Good morning. Um I just wanted to talk about I know two two guys that got circumcisions. one at 13 and one at as an adult.

[00:44:07]>> Seems painful.

[00:44:09]>> Yeah.

[00:44:10]>> Yeah. [laughter] >> How was their experience?

[00:44:13]>> Well, the 13-year-old um I mean, he's a grown man now, but it was extremely painful for him. So, it was probably the worst thing he's ever experienced.

[00:44:24]But there was a problem with the foreskin and it had fused.

[00:44:29]So, they had to do it.

[00:44:30]>> Oh. And then sorry I was exercising so I'm a little out of breath. And then um my um another girl I worked with, she was Muslim and she was marrying a Russian Orthodox man and he had to get circumcised in order to marry her.

[00:44:48]>> You had to join the team. They like to say. Interesting.

[00:44:52]>> Yes. Yes. So I'm sure uh Jewish people and Muslim people will have an issue with this uh if this passes.

[00:44:58]>> There you go. I appreciate it. There'll be lawsuits back. Look, if this is something that the people want, let's explore it. There's a whole process. You go before a committee, we debate it back and forth. I think two dudes upset about it, and I'm sorry you went through it.

[00:45:14]Tried to force, you know, half the population of Colorado to abide by this via injunction. Seems like a bridge too far. All right, let's talk guy, folks.

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[00:50:28]>> [music] >> 710 K US in Denver >> am 1460 FM 101.1 the answer Colorado Springs >> along the front range this is the Jeff and Bill show we hear both sides all right Billy give them a Thursday version You choose the noon.

[00:50:44]>> Yes, we've got Dion from Colorado Springs waiting in the wings. We'll get to you in a second, sir. But right now, ho ho, we got to break all the rules.

[00:50:50][music] It is time for everybody's favorite fake radio news game show. You choose the news. I spent just moments this morning finding these stories here in my hands. I gave them even dumber headlines so that we can play this fake radio news game show with y'all. Why?

[00:51:02]Because nobody that has any control over the radio station wakes up until 7:00.

[00:51:07]That means when Jeff and I found out that we are totally left unsupervised at six o'clock in the morning, oh, you better believe we're taking full advantage of it. As always, it is Blake Olsen from the news department joining in on the fun. Gentlemen, here are today's questionable headlines. Headline number one, tornado power. Headline number two, drinking in the word.

[00:51:28]Headline number three, military cuddles.

[00:51:30]And headline number four, the solution is equal to the problem. Mr. Hunt, your Did you say military cuddles?

[00:51:37]>> Yes, I did, sir.

[00:51:37]>> Let's go there.

[00:51:38]>> Oh, I like where your eyes and ears are at this morning. Ukrainian soldiers are developing some military cuddles. Let me tell you the story. This comes to us from the 118th separate mechanized brigade. Recently, they launched a very secret operation to the very front lines of the Russian war with Ukraine. They took advantage of a drone that was piloted by experts. It's a motorized infantry battalion. They used the large vampire hexacopter. It's a heavy drone often used for night operations. They strike military targets, supply deliveries, and they just rain down havoc. But today, they were used to rescue a family of kittens. In what is dubbed operation meow meow, the Ukrainians use the drone to go all the way to the front lines and rescue a mama cat and her five little kittens. They've even posted adorable little pictures of the soldiers who rescued the kitty cats.

[00:52:37]Um, cuddling them and everything afterwards. The nobody was injured. All the kittens got home safely.

[00:52:43]Mission accomplished. Operation Meow Meow. I think that's hilarious.

[00:52:47]>> Nice.

[00:52:48]>> Yeah. All right. Now, Blake. Uh, tornado power. Drinking in the word or the solution is equal to the problem.

[00:52:52]>> Let's go with the tornado.

[00:52:54]>> Yeah. Tornado power. Okay. We got a problem here. You know, when a major oil spill occurs at sea, emergency crews often face a difficult choice. You can allow the oil to spread across the water threatening the coastlines or you can set it on fire. Yes, in some cases fire might be the better solution. But burning the oil on the uh on the water known as a technique of incitu burn can prevent the slick from expanding. But it also creates big thick black clouds of pollution that release soot and other crap into the atmosphere. That's a big problem. But researchers have now demonstrated a striking new approach where maybe we can use the fire if we combine it with the power of a tornado.

[00:53:33]Yes, researchers are demonstrating a giant tornado fire could actually clean up oil spills faster than anything else that we have. Now, they think we'd be scared of a thing called a tornado fire, so they're calling it a fire whirl. But that's what it is. Spinning columns of flame that resemble fire tornadoes, and they burn faster and more cleanly than any other conventional method. Here's the reason why we don't get the black smoke. The rotating vortex draws in large amount of oxygen. It creates a hotter and more efficient flame. The result is the tornado consumes the oil more rapidly and produces less pollution because during the spinning, it basically disperses or just gets rid of all the dangerous black smoke. So, yes, perhaps the next time we have a large oil spill, the solution is a tornado fire.

[00:54:18]>> Yeah, I love it.

[00:54:19]>> I love this. Fantastic. Sometimes science is cool. All righty, Jeff.

[00:54:24]>> Last one for you, sir. Drinking in the word or the solution is equal to the problem.

[00:54:27]>> Drinking in the word.

[00:54:28]>> Yes, drinking in the word. Now, you may be familiar with a lot of those energy drinks out there. Kim Kardashian has update energy drink. John and Hank Green have the awesome coffee club. Blake Lively sells sparkling grapefruit juice.

[00:54:39]Even Damning Devito is in on the in on the lemonchello craze. But oh, beverages are sore endorse endorseable. But someone has reached to a higher power to find the greatest endorsement of all.

[00:54:51]Jesus. Yes, another mega celeb has entered the beverage game. Beverage companies have enlisted our savior in an effort to spread the good word and also make a lot of money. Um, seems it turns out Jesus has a bit of a branding problem. So, he's being put on a lot of different uh drinks. Uh, one of them being Yahweh. Yahweh says that it's a defending the company against accusations that exist to make a profit.

[00:55:11]Says, "No, no, no. We are spreading the good word of Christ." There's another one out there called Agape. Evidently, they're preaching peach is pretty good, but skip on on the uh what is it called?

[00:55:21]Something the blessed berry flavors reviewed to be not as good. Now, Yahweh comes with zero calories as all good Jesus drinks should. Agape clocks in at 10 calories, but reviewers say those 10 calories somehow seem to man. Maybe it's the evil, I don't know. Um each case of agape comes with a single sleeve cardboard gift box designed to be used directly for evangelism, they say. But they don't tell you is it Christian evangelism or evangelism for agape. I feel Yeah. Yeah. I feel like the only appropriate drink to put Jesus's name on would be something so miraculous that we filled it with water.

[00:55:52]>> Yes.

[00:55:53]>> You would open it and it >> was wine today.

[00:55:55]>> That would be Yes. Absolutely. That's the thing.

[00:55:57]>> That would be appropriate.

[00:55:59]>> Oddly enough, not a single one of these companies donates any of their profits to a charity.

[00:56:05]>> Of course not. Yes. And >> this is like asking to be struck by lightning.

[00:56:09]>> Oh yeah. There there's there's a lion out there. There's forgiven. And you got a whole bunch of other ones out there as well. My favorite one is Zion the Lion.

[00:56:16]They get a cartoon lion sporting an I love Jesus t-shirt.

[00:56:19]>> I know. [laughter] All righty. That's news. Back to you, Jeff.

[00:56:24]>> Seems so sacriiggious.

[00:56:25]>> It does. It so does. Yes.

[00:56:26]>> All right. Uh coming up next hour, who's more religious? We'll get to all that more. Democrats or Republicans? You're listening to Jeff and Bill Show.

[00:56:34]>> And I'm gonna get hit by lightning. I know it. I know it.