BAD GOVERNANCE EXPOSED BY CHARLEY BOY | FOLASADE | TEDDY A !!!!

[00:00:00]Ladies and gentlemen on the show with me is the king of boys the area father the father of their fathers one of Africa okay andah the president of all frustrated Nigerians >> you don't like to be called an activist?

[00:00:31]>> No, I don't.

[00:00:32]>> Why is that?

[00:00:34]>> Because most activists are cashists.

[00:00:38]They're doing it because they want to be in front. They want money. [clears throat] >> You know, it's strictly about money for them. Nigeria is a big crime scene.

[00:00:51]>> Big crime scene.

[00:00:52]>> Yes. How can anybody feel comfortable?

[00:00:56]You know, these are incompetent scumbags, son of a [ __ ] that has no right with leadership. But let's not get it twisted.

[00:01:10]Globally, leadership has fallen to an alltime low.

[00:01:15]>> Yeah.

[00:01:16]>> Look at what uh that madman in America is doing.

[00:01:22]Welcome to another great episode of the link up with yours truly teddy. Here on Echo Room, you already know conversations always echo beyond the surface. With me today, I have a wonderful guest. I call him an enigmatic figure. He goes by area father, Mr. Charlie boy.

[00:01:49]And [laughter] I have a co-host with me today.

[00:01:53]She goes by Fashadi.

[00:01:56]She's a very, very special person.

[00:01:58]Welcome to the show.

[00:02:00]>> Thank you, Teddy.

[00:02:01]>> You're welcome. You're welcome. How are you, sir? How are you, sir?

[00:02:04]>> This is how I would introduce Charlie Boy.

[00:02:08]>> Okay.

[00:02:08]>> Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, on the show with me is the king of boys, the area father, the father of their fathers, the ba one of Africa.

[00:02:30]Okay.

[00:02:31]and is inshallah the president of all frustrated Nigerians.

[00:02:39][laughter] >> Baba, I couldn't have said it like you.

[00:02:43]>> Yeah. I sound like Charlie boy.

[00:02:46]>> Thank you for coming on the show, sir.

[00:02:48]Thank you for coming.

[00:02:49]>> Thank you for having me. Yeah.

[00:02:51]>> So, how have you been, sir?

[00:02:53]>> I could be better.

[00:02:54]>> Mhm. [clears throat] If it wasn't for Nigeria has been happening to a lot of people including myself.

[00:03:04]>> So if you ask me how I am well so so you know but once there's life there's always hope. M >> but my hope now I've shifted my hope to young people like you and you because I've always maintained that the salvation of this country lies in the hands of exceptional people and who are those >> young people like you and you.

[00:03:37]>> I want our own time don't pass >> truth be told I've been there I've done that.

[00:03:44]So out of 100, I don't see 99 now.

[00:03:51]>> So no, thank God I have my boarding pass.

[00:03:56]So I'm just waiting for the flight call.

[00:04:01][clears throat] >> So everything over to you guys.

[00:04:03]>> Thank you, sir. And um you've definitely been you know one of those people that um have made us understand that being yourself is very very key and important especially in a country like >> because everybody else is taken you see >> you know you're taken you're taken >> so I kind of want to be you >> or you so the best choice is be yourself.

[00:04:29]>> Yes. Yes. Speaking of 99, um you have a new book.

[00:04:34]>> Nine.

[00:04:36]>> Yes.

[00:04:36]>> Yes.

[00:04:37]>> 999 memoir of Charlie Boy.

[00:04:40]>> Mhm.

[00:04:42]>> You don't like to be called an activist.

[00:04:45]>> No, I don't.

[00:04:46]>> Why is that?

[00:04:48]>> Because most activists are cashivists.

[00:04:54]>> Please shed more light on that.

[00:04:56]>> Simple. They they don't do it for the love or the belief that yeah, enough is enough. Want to change this system, this [ __ ] system, [clears throat] >> they're doing it because they want to be in front. They want money, [clears throat] >> you know, it's strictly about money for them.

[00:05:20]So, [clears throat] and the world has been so bastardized that you know I rather >> I I I see myself more as a social engineer >> right >> trying to play with young people's mind their head >> mental >> their their their way of thinking their mindset you know >> trying to change it and say no no no that's not the way this is the way [snorts] >> and and when we look at the you know the the activist or captivists that we have today. Would you say that that uh is born out of the poverty that we see? People can't really come out to speak their minds without thinking about their bellies.

[00:06:05]>> You know, you know, our people are very well many of us are very fake people, >> horrible people. And yes, we're deserving of the kind of leadership we have right now. I would say >> because most of us are all corrupt.

[00:06:21][clears throat] >> Yes, that's a fact.

[00:06:24]You know, I remember in our own days we had different sets of values and principle.

[00:06:31]>> Yeah. Honesty was was at the top level. Integrity was at the top level.

[00:06:42]It didn't really matter. We didn't know who had money, who didn't have money, >> you know, because the focus wasn't about money. It was about being a good person.

[00:06:54]>> It was about being a good soul. So, we all strived to do good.

[00:07:02]Mhm.

[00:07:02]>> But when you have a society and a set of people who believe especially the youths who believe by any means possible then you know that the family system has broken down and it's been broken down since uh [ __ ] Park since after the war.

[00:07:26]I I like to pinpoint after the Nigerian civil war, the family started going down and that's how most of us lost our our children, lost lost uh good morals. I used to tell people who want to sound like I'm one of them. I said, I'm not one of you people. I'm not one of you people.

[00:07:54]Ma factory >> I'm not one of you. I can't be because I have a different upbringing and I'm a baby of the 50s not the ' 90s not the 2000. I'm not a gen Z or millennium, you know, because not problem too much [laughter] and and and not to segue from, you know, the conversation, I I I don't know, but I would say that poverty has been weaponized.

[00:08:31]>> Yeah.

[00:08:31]>> And so, >> you're right.

[00:08:34]>> Would you really blame them for thinking the way they think? I mean Nigerians generally >> I don't blame them.

[00:08:42]See, I'm an original author.

[00:08:46]>> I have no business with suffer and this thing. I'm a spoiled brat.

[00:08:53]>> But I've I took myself into that bush >> because I wanted to find out. So you can say an a turnb >> these days they say neo. Nepo babies.

[00:09:05]>> Nepo babies. [clears throat] >> Uhhuh. Okay. I don't I don't know the news, you know.

[00:09:10]>> So So I put myself through all that for what?

[00:09:17]>> Because I wanted to be my own man to make my own decisions and suffer the consequences of my own decisions.

[00:09:31]>> You guys these days, you're not ready to sweat. She think everything is magic.

[00:09:38]>> So you want a pa solution to all the problems and it cannot be a papa solution to any problem.

[00:09:47]>> So >> so that's the difference.

[00:09:51]>> Speaking about consequences, I think I have like a two in one question. The first one will be that but I don't want us to forget about the fact that you mentioned that there often that you suffered the consequences for your [clears throat] actions. Mhm.

[00:10:05]>> I want us to put a pin on that. We're going to come back to it. But we were talking about Cash TVs and people just doing activism because they want to be in the front line >> and things like that. There's been a spot between shower and VDM recently and you made a post supporting VDM like VDM says is on masking >> Sher, >> right? And there's also been an issue with there's also been an issue with deju previously.

[00:10:42]What has been your experiences with those people and how did you >> Horrible >> horrible you know when you're a little bit naive like I used to be before you know because I do things that speak to my soul.

[00:11:00]Okay.

[00:11:03]I even in the back in the days when we all used to go protest and everything, >> I always wanted them to be in the forefront.

[00:11:14]>> I always wanted to talk less.

[00:11:18]>> Of course, now we don't do the meeting for house.

[00:11:21]>> So there's no need to come and be doing regular like say me carry them gone. I always push them forward because it's for them. I do the things I do, you know, but I discovered that the one or two like the people you mentioned, they were not straightforward.

[00:11:43]>> It it was clear to me I mean brutally clear that these people they're not with a program [clears throat] didn't define clearly. Yes.

[00:11:58]And I I I I don't operate like that. [clears throat] >> See, I I'm not a child of want. I come from a damn good place.

[00:12:11]So, I cannot help but be the person I'm meant to be.

[00:12:18]Okay? I can use my last card if you need it more than I do. I can give you my last card.

[00:12:27]>> But these these are these are these are very funny characters.

[00:12:33]>> And that was why I said to my son VDM who I've never met before. I never had any kind of interaction before.

[00:12:45]But I I said to him, "Everything you don't talk here, the truth [clears throat] >> because I don't experience betrayal in those two characters >> first hand."

[00:12:56]>> Yes. But you see, because they they're beneath me.

[00:13:02]So I can't be dragging.

[00:13:05]I can't be dragging with them.

[00:13:08]All of them. No one reach my son. My son is an associate professor. is 54 years old.

[00:13:16]Wow. So wait because they don't say hal boy musician.

[00:13:24]I know even be musician. I don't say fellow activist. I know be activist which you beher.

[00:13:34]>> Social engineer.

[00:13:36]>> Yeah.

[00:13:36]>> I'm not a musician because a musician is somebody who can read and write music. I can't do none of those. So, how can why should I call myself a musician? But I can also hold a note too. Sh.

[00:13:51]>> Of course, we know [laughter] we know you can hold a note. We've we've seen you do music. So, yeah, we know you can hold the note.

[00:13:59]>> Um, I said I wanted us to come back to us talking about the consequences of the things that you've done. Mhm.

[00:14:08]>> There are some of us who've seen you from different angles. With some of us, it started with the Charlie Boy Show >> which we watched religiously every Sunday.

[00:14:20]>> Yeah.

[00:14:20]>> Right.

[00:14:21]>> And then we saw the activist part which you don't like to call yourself now >> but we also saw your dad with aut panel and all of that.

[00:14:31]know that >> but someone would have thought that you know dad is a chief you know he's a judge you would have wanted to follow in that pattern but you took your own route you did different things you did music you did entertainment you were doing social engineering in the best way you can right what has been the consequences of doing the things you've done and when I say consequences I mean that the path that you took right you know how you chose supposed to live your life also the path of like doing some level of activism being part of protest speaking your mind as there been consequences for those things in Nigeria or even outside >> do you know that in doing good you want to do good >> which is a good thing >> yes >> there are consequences true >> must not be everybody good like I mean >> that good way they do So when I I got up and decided to disown my parents, there were serious consequences.

[00:15:39]So if let's go back to the beginning.

[00:15:45]I came back.

[00:15:47]I really didn't want to go to school.

[00:15:50]I didn't because my father during the war made learning scary. The man will always beat the [ __ ] [ __ ] out of me.

[00:16:02]And I used to think before that my father didn't like me.

[00:16:06][clears throat] But I guess because I was so rascally, he wanted to tame me >> and I [clears throat] was resisting that with my last broad that this man has no right to tell me what to do even though he's my father.

[00:16:28]So first he made learning scary for me.

[00:16:32]Second I I just found myself saddled with an overwhelming image of him and I hated the fact to be always addressed as the son of so so person.

[00:16:46]>> I wanted my own. So after I don't finish school now I give them the certificate.

[00:16:52]should not be waiting. I want take certificate because the day that the day we had a big fight in the house, the man called me as usual dictating to me say okay take this letter you go to pot you're going to go to Exon Mobile or whatever it was an oil company and go start work tomorrow. I said you and did we talk about that? [laughter] [snorts] That was how he now asked me the question. So what do you want to do? I said I want to be my own person. At that point I I didn't know even know what I wanted to do.

[00:17:34]>> But what the first thing that came to my mind I want to be a musician. [laughter] And now what of all things after all the school where we don't send you after all the things we did for you? Is this how you pay us back? You want to be a musician?

[00:17:52]Is there any musician in this family?

[00:17:54][laughter] >> Well, I mean you the first.

[00:17:57]>> You understand? It was a sad day for him.

[00:18:01]>> But it it was the day I knew I had to cut that apron.

[00:18:07]>> Mhm. cut the string to that apron.

[00:18:11]That was the day I knew I had to. You either go your separate ways or you let this people dictate to you how to Yeah.

[00:18:20]>> So I was lucky that was when he was made the justice of the Supreme Court. So he came to Lagos where did I go? I went and longided in my village.

[00:18:35]>> You [clears throat] went back to the village? I went back to the village from a he used to be the he was the chief judge in Nemo state at the time >> called to the supreme court. So from a way me myself I go back to village the kind hunger I see inside >> I mean I mean >> damn >> the price of being a rebel.

[00:18:57]>> Oh damn I I I was even losing my confidence.

[00:19:02]>> Me way used to have so much confidence.

[00:19:05]I not a grief for anybody. I lost everything in the village because I spent four years.

[00:19:12]If it wasn't for an angel named African me, you know, for the talk, I probably would have rotted away in the village.

[00:19:29]Yeah.

[00:19:30]>> And she was the one who brought me to Lagos.

[00:19:34]It's all in my book 999.

[00:19:36]>> Yes.

[00:19:37]>> Yeah. So, those were the consequences I had to go through because I wanted my own.

[00:19:46]>> I didn't even have a clear picture of what my own really >> meant. But I had to take a chance.

[00:19:58]and and I've been taking risky gamles especially when I was young wild you know as a young person you're 38 this was around the time I think I was 30 about 30 at the time tell me can a 30-year-old think like a 70 year old >> no >> that's not possible >> absolutely not >> you see I'm not so I was doing things that were synonymous with my age group than they do. And that's why >> I took a lot of risk, foolish, mostly foolish, mostly daring, mostly unconceivable.

[00:20:45]But what's fun in this book that I've written is that I came out like unarred about everything.

[00:20:55]But I knew when to quit. I used to be into drugs. I used to do a lot of drugs.

[00:21:01]That's way back up.

[00:21:04]>> Not anymore.

[00:21:06]>> Hallelujah.

[00:21:07]>> Not anymore. You know, so I knew what I had to avoid.

[00:21:13]But the consequences was the fact that I got into them and I thought the thing will swallow me.

[00:21:20]>> You able to get out?

[00:21:21]>> But I was able to get out.

[00:21:23]>> Have been scary.

[00:21:24]>> Oh yeah, it was scary. It was an exciting life, but it was scary [ __ ] kind of life, you know, >> cuz many people get into it and >> they can't get out.

[00:21:36]>> See, many people get into it and they can't get out. They get stuck.

[00:21:41]Are >> you telling me? Yeah, >> this is the link up on Echo Room with yours truly Teddier here. Conversations always echo beyond the surface. If you love to be a partner, a guest or a sponsor, send us an email at the details at the bottom of your screen. Area >> father, >> the convo is is convoying. It's going the convo is convoying. That's what we say.

[00:22:05]>> Yeah. [laughter] >> But there's something though. Mhm.

[00:22:08]>> That's something.

[00:22:09]>> You've spoken about the consequences from the point of view of your [clears throat] life, >> your decisions and all that, but we've not heard anything about the consequences of things like activism.

[00:22:22]Have you been >> you know now say even even >> threats >> see >> threats to your life?

[00:22:33]Even as a Pan president, >> don't forget that too.

[00:22:39]>> I took a lot of consequences for my actions.

[00:22:43]>> People were so dumb at that time because I said what is the qualification for even being a Bman president.

[00:22:51]>> The musician say that time I said they don't need qualification because many of them no good school.

[00:22:56]>> No talent.

[00:22:58]>> No talent. I said no I mean if you want to head musicians you must you must know something now you must don't read >> even if the music you get the degree from that side yeah >> you know say boy don't come again this one [laughter] I was heavily opposed then of course you know uh this corporate body started to bring foreign artists like our people no matter at He remains small. Make them say okay the likes of uh give me a name 50 cents them all those people wake that time.

[00:23:39]>> Yeah. Make them day one stage.

[00:23:43]>> Yeah.

[00:23:43]>> Then make >> this day for our own people day for one >> one >> banklo side. So >> Mhm.

[00:23:52]>> So that was that was really what led to the issue with Idris then.

[00:23:56]>> Yeah. At the time. Yes, apart from the fact that it's just uh it's just uh [laughter] I don't even know the word [clears throat] you know but yes you know for this business there's some people with their colon not be here >> but I think it was needed though >> what he did was necessary at the time >> what did he do >> that way the way do [clears throat] >> inside the plane >> yes now be the bab hair said I wear one bedroom still part I did for one place for a ker you know where the bad hair they call me say they won't kill your boy they won't kill your boy I said who won't kill you he said 50 cents in people I landed there at the airport you should have seen that day I took over the whole airport I landed with more than 4,000as everybody begin shake >> squad I say make them carry me go pay 50 cents there >> then carry me enter one car I said so you go come you go beat off my people you go disrespect my people because they were on their way to pot >> to go and play I say you sure say you go come off forot [clears throat] >> if you reach pot will you get out >> because this was I don't live for America now I know as they do now I say so you go come Nigeria again >> do you M that 50 Cents and the group from that airport they went back to America.

[00:25:31]>> Yeah. You're in Africa. You're on our own turf.

[00:25:34]>> Yeah. They went back to America. But because you know all that time, you know, forget all those they were hungry musicians.

[00:25:44]>> They get one show where they think I go put I don't put because of ina too much.

[00:25:51]It's a troublesome. See I born many peans I know good ones I know the bad ones he own too much [snorts] because you know go school well >> you [clears throat] know you know sabi reason well so it's he's out certainly out of logic >> turn the story finish he say I sell them out see out even pay for house rent no get get me started. I beg talk better >> wa [laughter] I mean at the end of the day we're just happy that the industry if we're going to talk about music >> but I was saying it 30 years ago >> that is I was telling the corporate bodies I said this our people neglect there will come a time African music do you know when I was the pman president radio station were not allowed to play our own sound.

[00:26:56]>> Oh, I remember >> it just it was they said okay only about whether 8% or 10%.

[00:27:05]>> The rest now foreign music.

[00:27:07]>> I [clears throat] said I said >> it was saying it was at night that they play Nigerian music. They were not even playing.

[00:27:14]>> They were not even playing it at night.

[00:27:16]>> Cuz when I came into the country it was bad.

[00:27:19]>> Oh, they will say it was wrong.

[00:27:20]>> It was horrible. M >> and I fought all of them.

[00:27:25]Of course, now I didn't get money pass.

[00:27:28]>> Yeah.

[00:27:28]>> The ones who carry me go through inside cell.

[00:27:32]>> There was this uh I think it was Jaru who came. I said if they ever commission and Jaru play for this country, they know come pay us. They know do the thing they were supposed to do that somebody will die and it won't be me.

[00:27:55]They arranged me, packaged me, carry me go Abuja. Then I used to be in the >> and locked me up for almost a month.

[00:28:04]>> I nearly do Christmas for sale that >> but I had a good sale. Not the normal cell where they put people office then put me. So I used to have my masseuse come and massage me in the office and so many funny things were happening there you know [laughter] but I I was in so >> still having a good time. Yeah, having a good time >> and and um not to digress too much but I think when we look at um the industry every industry whether film whether music you know um it's a reflection of the state of the economy where we are. We don't value our own people. No matter how talented, no matter how resourceful, no matter how valuable, you know. Um, [snorts] look at what is happening right now with the parties.

[00:28:59]We see them defecting right now to NDC or what is it called?

[00:29:05]>> ADC.

[00:29:06]>> ADC. Do you think that's a that's a good look for Nigeria? Because it's like now only APC be the only party where they work or that we see that everyone is joining. Do you think them defecting to this new party now is a good look for Nigeria or the answer?

[00:29:28]>> It can be.

[00:29:31]It can be.

[00:29:32]>> Nigeria is a big crime scene.

[00:29:35]>> Big crime scene.

[00:29:36]>> Yes.

[00:29:37]>> In what sense? And in the sense that almost every politicians I know of is a criminal.

[00:29:44]>> Even the ones that claim to be saviors.

[00:29:48]>> Who come save who? [laughter] They came to expand their their kingdom and their ministry. They didn't come to think they care about you, about us.

[00:30:01]>> Even the ones that claim to >> to change that claim to change. Yeah, >> Pete.

[00:30:11]>> No, that is a another kettle of fish you're talking about. But this much I would say I I respect him as a very intelligent young man. [clears throat] >> I truly highly respect him. So now you know they see >> we make go. we make and go because after all the labor APC people don't infiltrate labor now they don't scatter labor now making there still the same APC now they want scatter ADC >> from within >> yes of course now >> make implode >> eh of course and this time where now ble first before anything >> mhm >> do you You know the kind of things people are ready to do for money.

[00:31:06]>> M [clears throat] >> be like we we come from another planet. We will not take my father taught me not to respect money >> to [clears throat] respect ideas >> and integrity and honesty.

[00:31:23]I wasn't brought up, you know, and that is why I've carried my life in the most simplest form.

[00:31:32]I'm so ordinary that I don't even know what what's the big deal about Charlie Boy. Nothing.

[00:31:39][clears throat] >> Okay.

[00:31:40]>> You mentioned Nigeria being a crime scene. I want you to elaborate on that.

[00:31:44]>> I don't elaborate now. Most of all of us are criminals. M [clears throat] >> it's like the mafia and we know who the boss is with all his delegations >> and all his people they go message for this is the regime I've seen do you know how many abberos are in the reg I mean real abberos motor park people you know how many challenans are in this political business do you know how many scumbags Criminals, people who don't even know their papa, their mama, where they from.

[00:32:23]Come, all of them gather all day APC.

[00:32:27]And that is why it behooves you people.

[00:32:31]Now you make I know they think some people say for your pap [laughter] they do for 50 years now still say make what do your hand what do your leg >> after all how [clears throat] long do we do person like me at 75 how much time remain for me [clears throat] >> how much time remain but you guys have you the whole world in front of you.

[00:33:02]>> Yeah. If I say like this won't give up to like this me I want please shout I believe in the Nigerian youth exceptional Nigerian youth when they want they slack >> I won't concern >> I concern I don't do my own I don't move on make do own >> if [clears throat] like this want to go out they talk he who is down needs fear no fall. What they fear >> you don't ground >> what [clears throat] they fear now already everybody everybody is going through something >> and something bad something terrible and I say fear make no one do anything I won't concern I don't do my own >> talking about Nigeria there's been a lot of talk about the fact that the constantly every time Nigeria is always like this is the next person. This is the next Messiah. Nigerians are always looking for a Messiah to come and save us, >> right?

[00:34:09]>> They're waiting for Jesus Christ.

[00:34:10][laughter] >> Jesus Christ is Hebrew, right? He's not Nigerian.

[00:34:17]But seriously though, some might say >> that that tends to happen every time they ring another person, they're like, "Oh, this is the guy." I've seen it so many times. But some other people would say that the structure of how Nigerian functions, right, this Nigeria structure will make it literally impossible for any one man to do anything sensible.

[00:34:40]>> Any good man, >> right? [clears throat] >> One man, good man. Yeah.

[00:34:44]>> Yeah. Any good man to do anything sensible. Now would you say that if Nigeria had a good man [clears throat] who has good intentions for Nigeria that the person will be able to change anything or do we need to restructure?

[00:34:59]>> Yes. Yes, we need to restructure and we need to have that good man. We need to restructure in a way that it deters the criminals coming into the >> fold.

[00:35:12]>> Because if criminal when they coming, they have their own rules and regulation.

[00:35:18]>> Yeah.

[00:35:19]>> And then go change everything, we go make them no fit coming.

[00:35:25]>> Are you following?

[00:35:26]>> Yes. So if you have a good man and you've cleaned up the system, then it can work. Even the good man can operate because we don't know we don't know our problem is multi-dimensional >> layers upon layers precise >> foreign people they hand for our problem >> of course >> America they hand for our problem >> bre Britain people they hand for our problem so you see how many fight we on all front >> now all of them conspire to scatter Nigeria.

[00:36:04]>> One one one big pot that they took fork, knife.

[00:36:08]>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

[00:36:11]>> But how do we So you said now that we need a good man, [clears throat] but we also need >> we already have a good man.

[00:36:19]>> Okay.

[00:36:19]>> But the structure and I keep asking will you allow that good man? The answer is it is now as the structure is now. I don't think so.

[00:36:29]>> Who's a good man?

[00:36:32]Your own mind have said it. Even if you have not said [laughter] it, I want you to say it. Oh, you won't make it come up from >> Yes. Well, the only person I can see so far now Peter now >> because his messaging resonates with me.

[00:36:50]M >> I think he's sincere in what he is saying >> and he's about the the one politician where it is these people know how to saying don't mess or [ __ ] somewhere before >> they not go use that against them >> but they never see what they want say >> they want take nail some People go talk say >> him no get I guess the experience which kind of nonsense is the work which kind nonsense work no show >> which kind nonsense is like his legacy [clears throat] it's legacy governor before >> that so that is not enough >> well this always >> Obama we go way to till now I I rank him as one [clears throat] of the best forget about >> Obama >> yes forget about how our people, our own people confuse Americans at that time >> say bui be the right person >> because that's the only mistake the man made >> and tell me any person where never [ __ ] up make you raising hand >> never before >> what are we talking about >> so as far as I'm concerned what we are contending with is a bogus criminal fraudish system that will allowed to gain control >> to fester for too long.

[00:38:25]>> Yeah. [clears throat] And it's our fault. I'm guilty >> because maybe I should have done more than I did.

[00:38:34]>> You are guilty.

[00:38:37]Maybe you should have done more.

[00:38:40]>> I think we all I think we all should be doing more.

[00:38:44]>> Maybe all [clears throat] we all should be doing better.

[00:38:47]>> Maybe not more. better, right?

[00:38:49]>> Better.

[00:38:50]>> No, first of all, you know, we we always scream about change, change, change. But that change must start from you yourself. Now, >> I say I talk change. I say no, I still they do my criminality. Now you I want make a change first. How is that possible? Because when you think about, you know, the the state of Nigeria as a country, you look at the most common man in the littlest position of power and you see how they operate and you just know that if this one becomes the president tomorrow, >> Mhm.

[00:39:25]>> everybody will suffer. Like I they see some people in your age group [clears throat] >> you don't see >> proper O people >> those Yahoo Yahoo Yahoo boys and all those things. Oh my god. [cough] So I don't know >> it's unfortunate really because you see here you know say none of my children do here. M [clears throat] >> so I'm at a disadvantage in my old age >> I know once they go that Yankee they leave you then travel out they see as >> day for that side >> I day for that side as other people they progress >> they are more into themselves >> and what they there to do >> so who they remember call me always check on me you know m only made my own.

[00:40:24]Is that a good thing?

[00:40:27]>> Children do better. No leave our father on like this. So, [laughter] >> and in fact, all of that a lot of times is even due to the state of things.

[00:40:40]>> Yeah.

[00:40:41]>> One of the biggest thing they say about the whole Japa thing is that is the fact that it's actually separating families.

[00:40:48]>> You know, parents send their children abroad. Before when you went to school abroad, you came back home. M >> but that's not happening anymore. So you see people that are older and they have like three four children and the siblings don't see each other in years like the entire family is just scattered and someone who spent their young life taking care of kids having a family is now left alone. In some cases it's even worse when maybe they are divorced, separated or they've lost their partner.

[00:41:19]It's even worse. But, you know, thankfully, if one is even still married and they have a companion, it can make things a lot lighter, a lot better. And I see your videos with your wife. You guys look very, very adorable when he's looking at it. So, I'm like, "Yeah, you really could grow old with somebody, >> you know."

[00:41:38]>> But, you know, he's [laughter] >> I like I I love that. deceived [laughter] when you see me and my wife they do love [laughter] on television don't be deceived do you know whether after that thing we they do they see >> we go back resume our fighting because we are like Tom and Jerry but the difference with us is that we both decided to die here >> to stay in >> anyhow be they always talk marriage is management >> mm M >> you have to know how to manage everything.

[00:42:17]>> Oh my god. See this this our generation now mental health crisis. [laughter] >> No make you the one make I talk. [laughter] >> Most of mental health crisis.

[00:42:30]>> Most of you people are mad upon all the kind rubbish they take. But I don't crazy with that. [laughter] [snorts] It's not easy because think about it.

[00:42:49]There's a new word out right now.

[00:42:50]>> Mhm.

[00:42:51]>> Over stimulation.

[00:42:52]>> Mhm.

[00:42:52]>> We are over stimulated. Social media, the economy is crazy. I mean, there's a lot going on. So for for marriages of this generation to actually work, >> I think it's harder >> compared to your generation.

[00:43:09]>> Of course.

[00:43:10]>> Of course. Go back. Leave my own generation. Go back.

[00:43:15]>> My papa and my dad that their generation women were just taught to take a lot of bull crap from men [clears throat] >> and just stay there. Yeah.

[00:43:29]>> Die there.

[00:43:30]Yeah, but times don't change now.

[00:43:34]>> Which woman won't take bull crap and just stay there? Especially when they're independent, >> self-aware.

[00:43:43]>> Yeah, they wouldn't do that.

[00:43:46]>> So you [clears throat] guys get heavy problem.

[00:43:49]>> You know, all I can say is God God saving our soul.

[00:43:55]God save our souls. Amen. Amen.

[00:43:58]>> Amen. We say amen to that.

[00:44:00]>> I want to take it back now to the economy. Um the IMF recently spoke on Nigeria, you know, doing well um with the dollar.

[00:44:11]>> Yeah.

[00:44:12]>> Doing well.

[00:44:13]>> They did.

[00:44:14]>> They commended the I mean the the reforms >> out of the 100% Nigeria especially this APC government go borrow.

[00:44:28]Like I said borrow since since then come and don't they borrow reach 100 trillion [clears throat] >> the money where they take actually do the work.

[00:44:42]>> Mhm.

[00:44:44]>> Where they spend out of 100 million you know reach to two two trillion >> out of 100 trillion.

[00:44:52]>> Yes. You not reach two trillion. You >> not reach two trillion. Where the other money go?

[00:44:58]Somebody has been packing it and storing it, waiting to buy the whole of all of you people plus buy this this TV station with the inside.

[00:45:12]And when they come with that kind of crazy money, how you want manage? You >> you will just manage your life. [snorts] [clears throat] >> You want to go say ah I can collect this thing go help my ministry >> at least before but you see we're heading for the abyss this is a bottomless pit >> I don't want to sound scary but this is the reality of the life we've chosen to live because when is enough going [snorts] to be enough when for few people like I don't tell you I own soon pass yeah 5 years now 10 years where me I don't transcend I don't go the other level leave all of now yeah rubbish and muness go rest >> anyone see I've lived 10 scores and 10 bible give us any other thing No, now extra >> extra time >> which I'm grateful for [clears throat] >> you know and that's why there a lot of things that don't matter to me anymore.

[00:46:35]>> Yeah.

[00:46:36]>> Because right now and that's hence why 999 now never ask me what that thing mean.

[00:46:43]>> Oh I can see title also it's also t.

[00:46:46]>> Yeah yeah yeah. Some people have decided to turn 999 into a 666. I tell them say why? They say that thing is coded like how he say turn it upside down you'll see when you turn it upside down it's 666. Well I say that's not what I meant.

[00:47:06]I'm doing 999.

[00:47:10]What is 999?

[00:47:12]Even Google definition of 999, it calls it an angelic number, [clears throat] >> it simply means the end of one era and the beginning of another.

[00:47:27]>> Simple. M >> so all those errors of activism, social engineering, being rebellious, being a crazy [ __ ] and all of that, those ones don't pass. Right now, the thing that they chase my peace of mind, a life with no stress is kind of difficult, but I'm insisting that I'll get that life. After all, happiness is free. Nobody gives it to you.

[00:47:58]>> Absolutely.

[00:47:59]>> Yeah.

[00:48:00]>> So, you need to know how you're going to wire yourself to mostly stay that way >> regardless of what is happening around you and it takes some kind of experience by the time you get there. That's why I feel that I've come to the light finally.

[00:48:22]>> I know what is of priority to me. I know what is nonsense is meaningless for me you know and that's why I keep advising men after I went through my own uh uh cancer scare >> wow >> not be small like that now here when I go national television I they shout everywhere my brick don't die my brick don't Yeah. Yes. Yes.

[00:48:56][laughter] >> Absolutely. Remember that.

[00:49:01]>> No.

[00:49:03]>> But I mean what what was the outcome of that?

[00:49:06]>> Whether he don't wake is that the question. [laughter] >> I don't think that's what means like he's asking.

[00:49:14]>> I know [laughter] he's going around.

[00:49:16][clears throat] He's playing around that side.

[00:49:18]>> You hope madame you know. Uh uh well let me put it like this. M >> if network day you make your call if you don't get network I beg just relax >> respect yourself >> that's all you could come to that age no they put your head for ground happen to you [laughter] >> father father hey >> I don't look forward to that >> well >> no you have to you have to prepare yourself M >> you know not going to happen to you by fire by force but if you get sense and you're intelligent enough and you put your health first >> it won't happen to you >> more [snorts] than likely [clears throat] >> but it's a man's thing for men >> God I beg no beg God there's [laughter] nothing like begging God beg you guys disgust me when I want peace I go say God let this piece come out well what [laughter] What is that?

[00:50:27]What the [ __ ] is that?

[00:50:29]>> Hey, >> listen. Let me tell you. Jesus Christ is not coming tomorrow. Jesus Christ will never come again. The one he don't come don't do. No be chase him around.

[00:50:41]Crucify her. [laughter] Won't make it come again. What's wrong with you people?

[00:50:46]>> In our defense, not be us.

[00:50:49]>> Family people now [laughter] for that side.

[00:50:52]>> Family people. If Jesus land for Lagos today, you go know say lovers and fans.

[00:50:59][laughter] If he reach Lagos, >> don't be >> say airport say he land for you [clears throat] know say love choke.

[00:51:10]>> So defense don't be one kidnapper.

[00:51:14]>> Oh fake. [laughter] >> Oh my goodness. Better talk.

[00:51:19]>> We've we've spoken about a whole bunch of things.

[00:51:22]always registered you know how you feel about the state of things the state of the country I want to ask this question and I don't know if anybody has ever asked you this before do you see anything good that this APC administration is doing or that has ever done is there anything you can >> please answer that question on my behalf >> well I don't know I can >> that's why we're asking you I mean >> give us >> is there anything you feel like >> no so how do you feel since you've had this APC, madame?

[00:51:55]>> Well, >> as a journalist, you're a fly on the wall. You're not supposed to have opinions about issues. You're just >> So, you're not supposed to feel anything.

[00:52:06]>> That's the human being outside journalism.

[00:52:09]>> No. How has your life improved? Has your life improved since the past?

[00:52:13]>> My life doesn't really depend on government.

[00:52:16]>> Oh, >> yeah. I try for it not to. No, that's that's that's a [ __ ] up thinking my dear.

[00:52:24]Our lives depend on those [ __ ] there.

[00:52:28]>> It does.

[00:52:29]>> Our lives because they can mess it up for us. They can make it comfortable for us.

[00:52:36]>> But would they make it comfortable for us? Hell to the [ __ ] no.

[00:52:40]>> I was trying not to answer the question.

[00:52:42]>> Yeah, I know. But I You still got [clears throat] me in the corner.

[00:52:45]>> I know. I know what's in your mind now.

[00:52:47]Uhuh. You still >> How can you feel comfortable with this rubbish?

[00:52:52]>> How can anybody feel comfortable? You know, these are incompetent scumbags, son of a [ __ ] that has no right with leadership. But let's not get it twisted.

[00:53:09]Globally, leadership has fallen to an alltime low.

[00:53:14]>> Yeah.

[00:53:15]Look at what uh that mad man in America is doing.

[00:53:21]>> You know, >> this is not what is expected of a president of the strongest army. Today go talk one thing, tomorrow go talk it's a pedophile and all that kind of been raping.

[00:53:34]>> Yeah.

[00:53:35]>> Young girls na be their president.

[00:53:39]>> I mean come on.

[00:53:41]>> Epson file.

[00:53:42]>> Yeah. Very interesting times.

[00:53:45]>> Yeah, >> very very interesting.

[00:53:47]>> To be honest, um I I just believe like you've rightly said, we just need to take the bull by the horn and do what needs to be done.

[00:53:59]>> Yeah.

[00:54:00]>> On our [clears throat] part here, >> when you guys decide enough is enough, >> well, we'll continue to shed more light on, you know, the state of the economy and where we think Nigeria should go at the end of the day. Um, we can only play our part with our voices, you know.

[00:54:16]>> Absolutely.

[00:54:16]>> Um, once again, this is the link up with yours truly, Teddy A. If you love to be a part of the show, be a guest or sponsor or a partner, send us an email at the details at the bottom of your screen, [clears throat] >> we don't want to waste your time. We know you're a very busy man. Uh, we appreciate everything you've said on the show. We hope you come by once again to come greet us.

[00:54:42]and discuss Nigeria and many other things with us. Before you go sir, where can people find your book?

[00:54:51]>> Uh first of all, the ebook is on all the uh book clubs platform right now.

[00:55:02]>> Okay.

[00:55:02]>> And it's kind of cheap. It's just I think uh $35 or $40, >> you know, something like that. So, the ebook is out.

[00:55:12]>> Okay.

[00:55:12]>> You know, they could Google it and go find it.

[00:55:16]>> Uh, the actual launch will be on the 31st of July.

[00:55:22]>> Okay.

[00:55:23]>> And is in Lagos at uh the French cultural Maduga's French cultural. Yeah.

[00:55:30]you know, and uh that will be hosted by uh the Godfather himself, OBJ, General Bass. Yeah.

[00:55:41]>> Nice.

[00:55:44]I know that Tamil.

[00:55:47][laughter] >> I saw he gave you his outfit.

[00:55:52]>> I collected it from him.

[00:55:54]>> Is he one of the good ones?

[00:55:56]>> Oh, yeah. [clears throat] >> But it's not a scent. Let me not let me just put it clear.

[00:56:02]>> He may not be a saint but he he is one of the good ones who had a good heart >> until tomorrow. He wants to see Nigeria not overtaken by criminals but by good people who can offer something back >> to the masses.

[00:56:23]>> And that's why I also love him.

[00:56:26]>> I love what comes out of his mouth.

[00:56:29]and he's been like a father figure for me. You know, when I go around and we yab ourselves, it just brings back memory [clears throat] of how I was with my own father.

[00:56:44]>> After we solved our fight and I defeated him, you know.

[00:56:49]>> Yeah. [clears throat] [laughter] >> Why you not go win, son? Now you go win now.

[00:56:55]>> I must win by fire by force.

[00:56:58]>> [laughter] >> Wow. Shy, any last words?

[00:57:01]>> Well, I just want to say congratulations on your book.

[00:57:05]>> Um, >> thank you.

[00:57:06]>> Congratulation on everything you've done this far.

[00:57:09]>> Mhm.

[00:57:09]>> Hopefully. What am I saying? Hopefully.

[00:57:11]I know the launching is going to be the launch on is going to be amazing.

[00:57:15]>> And >> but it's not for everybody.

[00:57:18]At least we go people like us.

[00:57:20]>> No, I go do on our own.

[00:57:23]>> Which one be our own again?

[00:57:24]>> No. No. I get I I I [clears throat] get different >> categories >> categories of people where like me and people where I like >> now that one we want come the one JD >> the one will be JD no your money no richer [laughter] let me let me drink my wine >> I feel attacked my wine no bio let me explain >> hey let me explain sorry let me explain Nothing don't spoil.

[00:57:56]>> I'm listen.

[00:57:57]>> Let me explain what OBJ is doing for people because actually whatever we get from the launch goes back to the foundation.

[00:58:09]>> Okay.

[00:58:09]>> Because you see when you are my age and you don't have you don't get work way you are in love with way they do >> that you're so passionate about you go die quick.

[00:58:25]You understand?

[00:58:26]>> So most of the people where they out there they know say this going around helping people being supportive or you because for the foundation what do we really do? You come if to test you now like say 200k we're paying for 100k for you >> up front like that subsidize. is what we do and that's why we say it's better you find out in time because for an operation like the one I had if it's turning somehow and they have to go into you better have like about 15 20 million to do that operation >> that's crazy >> even in Nigeria okay so that one way they do [clears throat] not for inind people >> but for my kind people. I [snorts] get the one where I go do to where no need say come bring money [clears throat] >> we go take work >> we could be say come here something >> no just like I was trying to tell you say you must be smart >> to prepare ahead of time >> so those kind of things not come your side >> so and that is the advocacy that I'm involved with to tell those other people not the people We people will get money now anything will happen they can fly out >> and get it done >> but we we can't fly out even my own I did my own operation in Nigeria even though I import the doctor to come Nigeria I can't do the operation >> yeah wow wow okay awesome awesome we've come to the end of this wonderful episode of the link cup on echo room with yours truly Teddy and my co-host Shade Shade Shade. Shade Shade, make sure you follow us, subscribe, >> take the like this.

[01:00:30]>> Uhhuh. [clears throat] >> Please cut that part. Don't cut it.

[01:00:35][laughter] My co-host. Don't cut it. My co-host look my eye.

[01:00:44]>> I don't see it takes one to know one, you know. it.

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[01:01:10]Bless.